You paint a picture of me as someone who will make baseless claims, with great vigilance, to distort the facts in order to make my argument appear more valid... Firstly, I do not appreciate that. Secondly, it is simply not true. (Granted, it has been a while but...) I believe I'm the only person in this thread to have linked to actual studies performed by government agencies whose job it is to conduct study and to evaluate policy on this issue. I'm not pissing drunken ideas onto the internet based upon any sense of morality, but of the facts that make up the argument. So, this caricaturization of my argument is completely false and is a bit offensive.
Yup, I caricaturized you c:
But I never wanted to paint you as dumb that writes nonsense (actually I really appreciate how you post).
I apologize for being a little rude
yeah... but your post wasn't there as I was writing that. (P.s. you are assuming they'll bother to click the link, let alone to actually read the study! )
Well, now you caricaturized me too, so we're even
I've read completely the most recent posts. I like to read the topic (or at least the first and last 2 pages if it's really long) before posting.
As to the "negative social impact" of the legalization on drugs, you really must first define what a negative social impact is. I'm sure that homicide rates is one that we would both agree upon... However, I would say that the restriction of the most basic of civil liberties, the right to the possession of ones one body, is one of the greatest of negative social impacts...
As to domestic issues; I've stated above that addictive behavior is linked genetically. That is demonstrated highly with statistics, but, as I believe I mentioned earlier, there was a recent university study that found an actual genetic link in addiction. Thus, even those who may not be currently using drugs, will undoubtedly be currently exposed to other addictive behaviors/substances. (I.e. tobacco, alcohol, gambling, food, sex, etc...) The dynamic of a family littered with addiction isn't pretty... I know, because I am a part of one and have done a lot of research and had a good bit of education on this matter to better cope with my "disease." Will making drugs legal help the family dynamic of addicts? Absolutely not... It will likely make it increasingly difficult by adding newer layers of addictions to break away from... There is no denying that... However, there is really no legitimate basis to assume that addiction rates would increase along with the legalization of drugs.
It's late and my brain is too tired to continue arguing this at this point or even to make a strong closing statement... (I may edit this later...) I really don't feel like continuing this debate much further as it is already growing increasingly recycled. My overall point here isn't that drugs are good, that people should take drugs, or that taking drugs won't cause any problems for you physically, socially, emotionally, or psychologically... My point is that the government doesn't have the right to restrict what you can do with YOUR body as they do not own you.
If you've read my previous post, you've known that I'm not blaming drugs as the reasons for those problems, but rather like detonators that makes them worse.
I thing legalization of drugs is great in countries that have fulfilled the people needs, but as I've told before, I don't think it would be that great on a country with a lot of social problems like mine.
Maybe in the U.S. it would be great, as they have nice education levels, nice GDP levels, etc. (I can't really tell about other things because even if I can see statistics I've never lived there).
But in countries like mine... It's completely different.
You may be right about that of free will and no repression from the government, but I don't think it's a nice idea in all the countries.
In countries where more than 50% of the population live in poverty, education isn't guaranteed (although education is free, children have to work for food and stay alive before they can think about studying), unemployment rates are scary, and the government is shit (a lot of corruption), legalization of drugs would open a can of worms.
Portugal may not live in a bed of roses, but they are pretty well compared to other countries, so legalization of drugs worked.
In a country with lots of internal problems, it would be a different story...
You might be right in your sarcasm that 80% of crime is related to drugs but I'd say that at least 80% of money used for organised crime would have to come from the proceeds of drugs. I'm not just talking about a petty crook here and there I'm talking the king pins. They have to get their money from somewhere and most wouldn't get it legitimately. I'm sure your job would be made easier if the king pins had less money. I sure know the Mexican drug cartels would be for lack of a better word; fucked.
I agree in the most part of your post with you. Also, if they legalize them, every drug should be legalized as well (if you legalize one and not another, drug dealing would continue and other problems caused by considering some drugs illegal).
However, drug dealers won't be fucked just by legalizing drugs.
The kingpins would become world-renowned entrepreneurs, and illegal organizations wouldn't be crushed just that easy.Drug cartels are not caused by drugs
, they are caused by the same rasons that crime is caused. They would only stop dealing with drugs, and move on to sale of organs, human trafficking, etc. ("drug cartels" don't rely only on drug dealing).
So that's why I think that maybe it would work on the U.S., but I prefer people being privatized from that liberty than the problms than the ugly scenaio that could happen on poor countries.
Edited by Ziz, 11 July 2011 - 05:34 PM.