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[redlion]

Western Black Rhino

Fuck me, man, now there's one I couldn't live without. Where would a Texan be without Rhino hide cowboy boots and my rhino horn ivory chess set?

[Cyo]

Those are some pretty shit-tier animals compared to those we have made extinct ourselves (e.g. Giant emus, giant eagles that fed on the emus, dwarf elephants, etc.)

Like Frizzle's example of Przewalski’s horses, it's basically a zebra without the stripes. Nobody would fucking miss it, like, at all.

[redlion]

for now

Like Frizzle's example of Przewalski’s horses, it's basically a zebra without the stripes. Nobody would fucking miss it, like, at all.

Except horse lovers, who are, unfathomably, quite numerous. There aren't many snail lovers though. Wouldn't see many petitions to save their environs.

WTF kinda eagle could eat an emu?

[Cyo]

Except horse lovers, who are, unfathomably, quite numerous. There aren't many snail lovers though. Wouldn't see many petitions to save their environs.

WTF kinda eagle could eat an emu?

A fucking awesome one, I tell ya what.

Also fuck horses, most ugly and horrible looking creatures ever. I'd rather sleep in a tree that's encased in spiderwebs and infested with thousands of spiders than go next to a horse.

[Frizzle]

Serious? Fuck spiders. Burn 'em all..

[Jaws]

A fucking awesome one, I tell ya what.

Also fuck horses, most ugly and horrible looking creatures ever. I'd rather sleep in a tree that's encased in spiderwebs and infested with thousands of spiders than go next to a horse.

+ rep for the url

I like horses though, they're not bad just uncomfortable to ride on (at least for me), well they do smell... but nowadays what doesn't?
Horses over spiders any day

[Sweeney]

In case anyone was wondering what Cyo was referring to...

[Sida]

In case anyone was wondering what Cyo was referring to...

Never even thought about it, but thanks...that's pretty cool

[redlion]

A fucking awesome one, I tell ya what.

Also fuck horses, most ugly and horrible looking creatures ever. I'd rather sleep in a tree that's encased in spiderwebs and infested with thousands of spiders than go next to a horse.

Spiders are really cool. They kill other pests, are very efficient hunters, and for the most part don't bother humans. The few species that do wouldn't distinguish between humans and other large animals.

Also, that Eagle is pretty cool. Too bad no one living in the last 600 years has ever seen one. Hardly preventable by inclusion in a zoo

On a related note, Animal Cruelty case in the UK Source: DailyMail via Fark

[Frizzle]

Daily mail isn't a news source in any sense of the word(s)

[Bx2]

Let me begin by stating that I absolutely loved the book Life of Pi; it really was an intersting book.

Overall, I am fairly in favor of animal rights. Growing up, I can not recall a single moment that my family and I did not have a pet. Now these ranged from your typical dog and cat to animals as exotic as chinchillas. However, the one thing that remained constant was that they were viewed as a member of our family. With that being said, I do feel as though when properly cared for, domesitcated animals, and specifically those kept as pets live a good life. Similarly, I am not against the idea of zoos for they sometimes have the potential to help perserve some species of animals that are on the verge of disappearing.

Though both zoos and domestication systems do have the potential to easily become a negative influence on the animal world. One such example of this is animal abuse and testing. These are two issues that I am strongly against and believe do not receive enough attention in our society.

[AyoForYayo]

if you wouldnt do so many different kinds of drugs you would be a really healthy person. i love that you are vegan.
i don't wanna read this thread right now.
i love you sweeney.

Yea I would be.
I think they kinda cancel eachother out though.


Who has ever heard of a vegan junkie

HA

[Randi]

I feel very strongly about animal rights/animal cruelty. I am a vegetarian so I feel I am not being a hypocrite with most of my opinions. Animals rights is similar to peoples feelings towards religion though in my experience.. Can cause quite a heated debate. I don't judge people on their eating habits, I will just say that But I don't think I will bother going into all my thoughts and opinions on this subject because I find a lot of people have a lot to say without really having any knowledge on the issue.. And nothing bothers me more than that does.

[Sweeney]

I feel very strongly about animal rights/animal cruelty. I am a vegetarian so I feel I am not being a hypocrite with most of my opinions. Animals rights is similar to peoples feelings towards religion though in my experience.. Can cause quite a heated debate. I don't judge people on their eating habits, I will just say that But I don't think I will bother going into all my thoughts and opinions on this subject because I find a lot of people have a lot to say without really having any knowledge on the issue.. And nothing bothers me more than that does.

This is the debate section.

Saying, "I think some of you are wrong, but I'm not going to say why because you probably don't know what you're talking about" is both rude, and not a debate.

[Zirae]

If I've learnt anything throughout my conservation/veterinary studies, it's that pretty much all problems animals suffer from are caused by humans. I think by now, though, that it's too late to undo the majority of what we've done.

For example, we probably should never have domesticated animals. Many domesticated animals suffer from a variety of unpleasant hereditary conditions; such as the respiratory difficulties faced by pugs. And looking at some animals, such as sheep, I can't help but wonder if they were always such a useless species. Honestly, they just die all over the place and very creatively, might I add. Very little survival capabilities. I don't know if their ancestors were the same, but it wouldn't be surprising if at least some of their issues were due to artificial selection. All that inbreeding does have consequences. Nonetheless, what's done is done and many of these animals would stand a chance in the wild now that they've been domesticated. Therefore, while I think domestication was probably bad for the animals initially, but as long as we care for them appropriately having done so, it's okay. After all, where would the human race be without agriculture?

Equally, I feel a similar way about zoos. I would in no way condone taking animals from their native habitat (unless it is for the sake of their or their entire species' survival) and especially not for aesthetic reasons, but these days, most animals in zoos have been captively bred. They rely on their keepers to feed them and take care of them, and without this, many would be incapable of surviving on their own. And, as long as a zoo, etc, is well-run, animals are often happy with their lives. This isn't always true of course, for example, dolphins may suffer from depression if kept in captivity, however for the most part animals are content and live long lives. Zoos are now most often used for educational purposes, which, for obvious reasons, are vital in order to maintain the biodiversity we have in the world today. And I totally support this.

As for testing? Well, I think cosmetics testing is just downright selfish on the part of humans. It's not that hard to survive without make-up, or, if you really are that ugly, splashing out a little bit more won't do you much harm either. I'm not being a hypocrite when I say this: I thoroughly research any companies I purchase from to ensure my cosmetics are ethical. It's much harder with some products, admittedly, as companies can be a little sneaky about thing's like this. But I don't feel that cosmetics testing is even that necessary these days: many ingredients and products have already been tested in the past, and we know how dangerous/corrosive they are. On top of this, modern technology has seen the development of artificial skin and organs that can be used to test products and may even prove more reliable, such as "Corrositex" and the artificial liver designed by Mertsching and Schanz. Some of these are still under development, but there are many options out there today.

Medical testing on the other hand I believe is a bit more justified. I do value human life above animal life, despite feeling strongly about animal rights, and if sacrificing an animal might save a life then I suppose it's the price we have to pay. If technologies such as those I mentioned above are perfected, it would be marvellous to switch, but in the meantime, because medicine is so vital, I feel researchers should use all options given to them to make the treatments people need available as soon as possible. And as safely as possible.

I am a vegetarian, but I don't believe eating animals is wrong. The human body needs proteins: there are nine amino acids that the human body cannot synthesise, so it is important that we get them through other means. While all of these are found in soya, most people get their essential amino acids from meat. And it is important that they do so for their health. However, my choice to be a vegetarian is based on the conditions in which the animals were raised and killed. Chickens are labelled: battery, free-range. Pigs, cows, sheep, etc, are not. Sheep may be stupid, but I still want them to lead as good a life as they can before they end up on my plate. And I can't always guarantee that my money will be going towards farms that do this. If I lived next door to a marvellous farm, where the cows were frolicking around and having a jolly good time, I'd be happy to buy their meat, but as it is, I don't. So I won't buy meat.

I'm sure I could easily ramble on about this for hours but I doubt anyone is that interested in my opinion.

But before I finish my ramble, someone tell me... This iargue guy, is he being serious? I don't get him? ._.

This is completely different then animal, who do not fight back at all when we test drugs or cosmetics on them. They are incapable of knowing that what we are going to feed them, might kill them, or make them grow an extra leg, and thus they do not fight back. ... Animals do not protest what we do to them, unless it causes them physical pain (As anything in the world that can experience pain, will react to pain). <br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(243, 249, 246); ">
If they where an intelligent species, they would not allow us to abuse them in the first place

You could say the same about babies (although granted, they are not a different species)...

EDIT: Oh good God, I've just seen what an essay this is. I'M SO SORRY.

Edited by Zirae, 18 April 2012 - 06:49 AM.

[RitzWin]

I would submit that we need to learn how to treat humans with respect and kindness before we can dream of helping animals in a significant way.

Hell, many people support the slaughter of other human beings (wars). If we cannot have empathy for our own species, the other species don't have a hope.