118 replies to this topic

[luvsmyncis]

Animals have more freedom than we do. It's perfectly legal for them to shit in my yard, but if I try and shit in my neighbor's yard, I have to explain it to the cops. How is that fair?

[Boggart]

You do realize that animals eat other animals and don't think twice about if its cruel or not? Its the circle of life.

I'm pretty sure it's more like the Lion King where animals don't want to eat other animals, but realize the neccessity.

And they sing

[Jake]

I'm pretty sure it's more like the Lion King where animals don't want to eat other animals, but realize the neccessity.

And they sing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxVMnJXWvdM&feature=fvst

I think polar bears missed that train because they just don't give a hoot.

[Boggart]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxVMnJXWvdM&feature=fvst

I think polar bears missed that train because they just don't give a hoot.

I see your argument and I choose to ignore it.

Am I arguing on the internet right?

[Sweeney]

I see your argument and I choose to ignore it.

Am I arguing on the internet right?

Why the fuck are you still posting shit in the debate section?

[Drelvon]

I'm pretty sure it's more like the Lion King where animals don't want to eat other animals, but realize the neccessity.

And they sing

Ha! I wish!

[lonewolf]

Animals have more freedom than we do. It's perfectly legal for them to shit in my yard, but if I try and shit in my neighbor's yard, I have to explain it to the cops. How is that fair?

HAHAHAHAH you made my day

[poisonapple88]

I'm actually an animal rights activist and vegan. I'm one of 'those' crazy ones. However, I don't preach veganism down people's throats. I feel that since animals are not required in a human's diet to be healthy I am perfectly fine with just opting out of it. As for all the information about environmental concerns, health statistics, and such if anyone wants a couple websites I know a few great ones.

But yeah. Animal rights for the win!

[Vendel]

I can say with honesty I don't care at all about animal rights. It feels sickening that we're humanizing creatures that will never be equal to us. Recently I watched a youtube video of a guy tossing an absolutely adorable kitten off a cliff, (actually it was a fat lady tossing a cat into a garbage can, but w/e) and upon taking a look at the comments people were calling for the individual to be killed in extremely brutal ways. It's astonishing to see a reaction for more violent that what happens when people die.

On another note, here is a video of an adorable cat playing with a baby deer before tragedy strikes.

Edit2: probably should warn that this may disturb some people.

http://www.youtube.c...bed/ADGn1GABF0Q

Edit: I can't embed properly apparently.

Edited by Delcer, 14 August 2011 - 10:31 AM.

[Ameria]

Animals >> Humans

Only this.

I'm not a vegan/vegetarian, but i have a friend who is, and i admire this. I think its perfectly possible live without eating meat/animals. Anyway, i don't know why human is called a "Rational Animal", we use a complex language pretending to understand each other, but we dont, most are cruel with no reason.

For example:

A week ago there is a video on youtube with 2 people "attaching" fire on a dog, JUST FOR FUN.

And i'm against domesticate savage animals, BECAUSE IT IS DANGEROUS (Residencial, not Zoo), because animals don't know wrong from right and if he feels in danger, he can attack people (Just see noticiary, there is a lot of this).

I wanna discuss more of this, but my english is not that good, lol. :F

[koalabear]

I like animals just like everyone else, but i hate when people get over dramatic about them...

[lonewolf]

I like animals just like everyone else, but i hate when people get over dramatic about them...

same here...no need to get so deep inton the topic

[Sweeney]

same here...no need to get so deep inton the topic

You're right. There's no need for complex thought.
There's no need to live anything but the most shallow, unconsidered life.

Why should we care about the things that don't directly affect our own comfortable lifestyle?

[Eyams]

world's overpopulated (with people) anyways. might as well use the horrible people in the world to test. We kinda do need animals.

[Melchoire]

The reality of animal testing is that as cruel and inhumane as it is it's a necessary evil in life that everyone benefits from. I'm looking forward to the day when proper human analogues are created but until then it's one of those things you just have to ignore...

Huzzah for the naturalistic fallacy all up in this bitch.

If you read this in David Attenborough's voice, it's hilarious!

[Jake]

http://www.torontosu...aunch-porn-site

They realise no one gives a shit unless if there are naked women around. To be honest I find the animal rights issues insulting, I see both points of the argument but honestly, we didn't get to where we are today on vegetables.

[Kraftwerk]

Rights are human made, for humans. Humans have got rights, because they invented them.

Animals can't have rights. BUT, we have the obligation to be, well, human. And what maked us human and different is the ability to choose what we do, and why.

I don't see the point on killing animals for fun. It's stupid and even sick, it is most likely a deep mental problem a person has, and it's not right anyway.

But we need animals. They're everywhere in our life. Meat, medicines, pets, oh well stuff and everything. We've got the right to kill if it is necessary for any reason, but should not have the right to torture and make someone else suffer (human or animal). Animals as "products" won't magically disappear, we just need to be a little bit more human and stop treating them like shit, there's no reason for that really.

Also, I hate "animal lovers" who only care about cute little furry animals such as mammals, but don't give a shit about those big, horrible reptile moms out there, and other tipe of ugly ones. Also with endangered species... when do you hear about a non-cute endangered animal which we need to protect? Bullshit.

[Silentqueen]

Being a huge animal lover, I'm against all tests used on animals for science, medicine, make-up, etc.
My husband and I have already adopted 3 cats and they are such loving, intelligent creatures, I really feel sorry for those stuck in labs. We would have adopted more but the landlord said "this is enough" lol. Hubby's allergic to dogs, so we stick with cats.

I think a lot of countries in the world need to change their rules on animal rights. Animal owners really spend a lot of money for their pet's care and we wouldn't do that if we thought these were dumb, unintelligent creatures.

Wild animals should also be kept in peace in my opinion. Safaris are cool , but I'm not a huge fan of zoos either. Animals in captivity live less longer than animals in their own habitat due to poor care and being neglected. I know this sounds weird but it has actually been proven that wild animals live longer in their habitat, where they are happy and free, even if they have lions as their enemies, etc.

Edited by silentqueen, 03 January 2012 - 08:36 AM.

[Sweeney]

Being a huge animal lover, I'm against all tests used on animals for science, medicine, make-up, etc.

Big fan of smallpox, are you?

My husband and I have already adopted 3 cats and they are such loving, intelligent creatures, I really feel sorry for those stuck in labs. We would have adopted more but the landlord said "this is enough" lol. Hubby's allergic to dogs, so we stick with cats.

You're a saint.

I think a lot of countries in the world need to change their rules on animal rights. Animal owners really spend a lot of money for their pet's care and we wouldn't do that if we thought these were dumb, unintelligent creatures.

People spend huge amounts of money to make their boobs bigger, too. Do boobs deserve independent rights?

Wild animals should also be kept in peace in my opinion. Safaris are cool , but I'm not a huge fan of zoos either. Animals in captivity live less longer than animals in their own habitat due to poor care and being neglected. I know this sounds weird but it has actually been proven that wild animals live longer in their habitat, where they are happy and free, even if they have lions as their enemies, etc.

Do you have a source for that? Because it sounds like rubbish.

[Silentqueen]

Hi Sweeney,
how are you?
This topic is not about boobs, so I really don't understand the relevance.
( That thread is called cute and hot girls, or something. )


If you want sources don't be a lazy ass, just google it yourself. (Sorry for being rude, just got home from work and am in no mood to even try to convince a stranger, you have hands, eyes-use them.)
I've also had turtles, fish , and dogs, and even an iguana growing up, I wouldn't call myself a saint, I know I am not, I just really feel sorry for animals being treated badly.

Edited by silentqueen, 03 January 2012 - 08:49 AM.

[Sweeney]

This topic is not about boobs, so I really don't understand the relevance.

You don't? It's really quite simple.
The fact that people spend a lot of money on things is not a valid reason for awarding something rights.
It's not really a valid reason for anything. Except possibly taxation.

If you want sources don't be a lazy ass, just google it yourself. (Sorry for being rude, just got home from work and am in no mood to even try to convince a stranger, you have hands, eyes-use them.)

You seem to labouring under a misapprehension. It's not my job to back up your assertions, it's yours.
That is how a debate section works.

[Waser Lave]

Wild animals should also be kept in peace in my opinion. Safaris are cool , but I'm not a huge fan of zoos either. Animals in captivity live less longer than animals in their own habitat due to poor care and being neglected. I know this sounds weird but it has actually been proven that wild animals live longer in their habitat, where they are happy and free, even if they have lions as their enemies, etc.

I think you'll find that animals in zoos actually live significantly longer than their wild cousins in most cases. Most animals in the wild get nowhere near to their maximum possible life span because of things like predation and food competition which just don't happen in captivity and many large animals in zoos will actually develop problems such as arthritis which are very rarely seen in wild animals because they can live longer. I'm not sure where you got your information from but it's certainly wrong for the majority of species. Quality of life is a more important distinction to make between wild and captive animals rather than life expectancy.

[Silentqueen]

Sweeney,
You are right about the debate part, so here is my proof.

http://www.msnbc.msn...nger-wild-zoos/


Please don't make me find proof for all the animals in the animal kingdom. I still need to cook dinner.

[Sweeney]

Sweeney,
You are right about the debate part, so here is my proof.

http://www.msnbc.msn...nger-wild-zoos/


Please don't make me find proof for all the animals in the animal kingdom. I still need to cook dinner.

Elephants are one of the single most unique cases in the entire animal kingdom. They have no natural predators as adults, they require vast areas to graze, and live in unusually large familial groups.
Besides which, there's no link to the actual research, so I can't assess their methods beyond those described in the article. To quote the spokesperson for the AZA; "Every event in a zoo is observed," he said, while scientists can study only a small number of events in nature.

No one is arguing that zoos are perfect. No one is arguing that animals should be on display for entertainment purposes.
But the facts of your post were incorrect and the opinions poorly considered.

And by the way, you'd prefer that no medical or scientific experiments were ever performed on animals? You haven't responded to my (admittedly facetious) rebuke.

[Silentqueen]

And by the way, you'd prefer that no medical or scientific experiments were ever performed on animals? You haven't responded to my (admittedly facetious) rebuke.

Yes, I really think with today's technology there really is no need for it. If they put only half the effort into testing medicine etc. as they put into creating new iPhones, we wouldn't need animal testing.

If you disagree that is fine by me.I'm not very good at arguing anyways. We all have free will and our own opinions. I just wanted to share my feelings. You know what? If it makes you feel better I'll even say: " You win". But I will still stick by my own feelings, that it is wrong indeed with today's technology to test animals.
I won't be posting anymore proof. I'll just say that when I worked in Bangladesh I was part of an animal protection group and we were shown monkeys in labs, caged and then of course every night I could see monkeys outside my window swinging from tree to tree. And it only took you enough to look into their eyes to see the difference. The monkeys in the cage stared blankly ahead, whereas the monkeys in the wild seemed full of life and really happy.