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[Sweeney]

It amazes me that you can sit thousands of miles away, and tell two relatively intelligent members of the British working class that their woes are the reason the benefits-culture-club are out nicking flat screen TVs from Tescos.

[Waser Lave]

Armand Sickle, on 09 August 2011 - 02:57 PM, said:

My bad, honest mistake. The shitty thing about following news of so many countries is remembering the intricacies of each one's government.

Alan Woods made exactly the same mistake, that should raise questions about the level of research actually put into writing that particular piece. Perhaps Mr. Woods was more interested in spouting nonsense and trying to make it fit his own political leanings than he was in providing an objective analysis of the recent events. Perhaps I'm still in critical analysis mode since I'm currently writing my dissertation but that's a pretty glaring error for somebody making such bold statements.

[Valentine]

Well I concede to your intelligence, Sweeney, please explain your complete opinion on the riots.

Waser Lave, on 09 August 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

Alan Woods made exactly the same mistake, that should raise questions about the level of research actually put into writing that particular piece. Perhaps Mr. Woods was more interested in spouting nonsense and trying to make it fit his own political leanings than he was in providing an objective analysis of the recent events.

You caught me before my edit but he's from the UK himself. Pretty sure it's an honest mistake.

Alan Woods isn't a commentator btw, he's an author, respected political theorist, and a friend of many popular socialists and labour leaders.

Globe and Mail tried to use Alan Woods' frequent visits with Chavez as a way to invalidate and delegitimize the Venezualan president, by calling Woods his "advisor."

He's kind of a big deal.

[Sweeney]

Armand Sickle, on 09 August 2011 - 03:03 PM, said:

Well I concede to your intelligence, Sweeney, please explain your complete opinion on the riots.

I'd be happy to clarify any points you're unclear on.

Succinctly, though; wanton violence.

Armand Sickle, on 09 August 2011 - 03:03 PM, said:

Alan Woods isn't a commentator btw, he's an author, respected political theorist, and a friend of many popular socialists and labour leaders.
Globe and Mail tried to use Alan Woods' frequent visits with Chavez as a way to invalidate and delegitimize the Venezualan president, by calling Woods his "advisor."
He's kind of a big deal.

Argument from authority? Way to go.

[Valentine]

Sweeney, on 09 August 2011 - 03:08 PM, said:

I'd be happy to clarify any points you're unclear on.

Succinctly, though; wanton violence.

Right on. Can I ask honestly if you read the article?


Bbecause the view on "sheer criminality" is quite covered, and I'd hate to repeat to an intelligent person like you something you've already read.

[Waser Lave]

Armand Sickle, on 09 August 2011 - 03:03 PM, said:

Well I concede to your intelligence, Sweeney, please explain your complete opinion on the riots.



You caught me before my edit but he's from the UK himself. Pretty sure it's an honest mistake.

Alan Woods isn't a commentator btw, he's an author, respected political theorist, and a friend of many popular socialists and labour leaders.

Globe and Mail tried to use Alan Woods frequent visits with Chavez as a way to invalidate and delegitimize the Venezualan president, by calling Woods his "advisor."

He's kind of a big deal.

If you make comments on a subject it's fair to consider that person a commentator when spoken about in such context in my book.

I'm not particularly swayed by reputation, his piece is a poor analysis which lacks objectivity and is entirely focused on trying to portray the recent events as he wants them to be rather than what they are in reality, opportunistic and criminal acts of idiots.

[Valentine]

Sweeney, on 09 August 2011 - 03:08 PM, said:

I'd be happy to clarify any points you're unclear on.

Succinctly, though; wanton violence.


Argument from authority? Way to go.

I was debating his pigeonholing of an important person as a "commentator." It would be like referring to Bernanke as an accountant.

He's not some random pundit was my point.

[rizler]

riots in my city too they robbed a shop which sells items for 50p

oh and they raided a cinema when there are no showings xD

[Valentine]

Waser Lave, on 09 August 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

If you make comments on a subject it's fair to consider that person a commentator when spoken about in such context in my book.

I'm not particularly swayed by reputation, his piece is a poor analysis which lacks objectivity and is entirely focused on trying to portray the recent events as he wants them to be rather than what they are in reality, opportunistic and criminal acts of idiots.

Cool, then we'll agree to disagree.

Unfortunately, I'm in the process of moving to another city in another province. Consider me officially resigned from this debate.

Edit: I came off harsh and rude a couple times, unfortunately I love a debate yet am clearly heatedly passionate about politics and current events. I truly don't mean to offend anybody, you're all cool people still, and I hope we can share a drink one day! Should any of you ever be in Montreal, I've got a pad for you to stay at. Cheers.

[Sweeney]

Armand Sickle, on 09 August 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

Right on. Can I ask honestly if you read the article?
Because the view on "sheer criminality" is quite covered, and I'd hate to repeat to an intelligent person like you something you've already read.

I have read it.

And I disagree that the view on "sheer criminality" is quite covered.
Just saying "The great majority were moved by other considerations" as a de facto declaration of truth does not cover anything.

[Drelvon]

So hold up, I'm still confused, what are they actually rioting about?

[Sweeney]

Drelvon, on 09 August 2011 - 04:18 PM, said:

So hold up, I'm still confused, what are they actually rioting about?

They're not rioting about anything. They're just rioting.

[Drelvon]

Sweeney, on 09 August 2011 - 04:25 PM, said:

They're not rioting about anything. They're just rioting.

I really doubt they're rioting over nothing.

[Sweeney]

Drelvon, on 09 August 2011 - 04:32 PM, said:

I really doubt they're rioting over nothing.

And I really doubt you have any kind of grasp of the situation at hand given that you just asked what they were rioting over.

[Drelvon]

Sweeney, on 09 August 2011 - 04:34 PM, said:

And I really doubt you have any kind of grasp of the situation at hand given that you just asked what they were rioting over.

Because I avoid the news. I doubt hundreds of 'thugs' are just going to riot for no reason, and for days.

[soul__stealer]

It's like watching 28 days, except in real life.

[Sweeney]

Drelvon, on 09 August 2011 - 04:46 PM, said:

Because I avoid the news. I doubt hundreds of 'thugs' are just going to riot for no reason, and for days.

Avoiding the news doesn't make you more qualified to comment on the motivations of hundreds of violent criminals, it makes you ignorant.

[pyke]

Drelvon, on 09 August 2011 - 04:32 PM, said:

I really doubt they're rioting over nothing.

Vancouver ripped apart a couple of blocks a month ago over a hockey game.

Anyway, was there not a peaceful protest in the beginning, which eventually erupted into a full blown riot? People attending the protest had a problem, the rioters were just opportunists.

[giforce2]

London Bridge is Falling Down

[Frizzle]

I read up to the point where it stated that Trident sets up operations against black communities.

SCD-6 or Trident is a branch set up to investigate, fond causes, and eridicate the problem or gun (and knife) crime in black communities. This can range from arresting suspects or using Family liasion officers (FLO's) to help families cope with family members being involved in this situation.

I can safely say that the majority of robbings and gun crime in London is caused by black people. Likewise most drug related or burglary offences are committed by whitey. (seriously cannot remember the last time I saw a black burglar)
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Also the bullshit that police lied over the shooting of Marc Duggan is wrong. As the Independent Police Complaints Commission had not issued a statement regarding this, most of the "facts" circulated were rumours. The family did not give the IPCC enough time to conduct their investigation.

This of course led to the whole police vs gangs bullshit we constantly get. I fail to see how burning down someones business/livelihood and home will affect me and show your hatred against us.

I'll remember that at the end of the month when I take home over £8000 through overtime.

Also if you wish to speak "minor" cuts we'll speak about a 20% budget cut to the police federation and all forces, higher than any other public/private sector, a two year pay freeze, limiting overtime, worse pensions, redundancies and working in over stretched stressful job.

This is of course music to the lefties ears as they hear some black people in hackney are thieving from JD Sports so they'll use it as propaganda. I'm sure people will change their minds if this riot personally affected their own families and businesses. Then again, we have to study riots and figure out how they started, don't we Simon?

Hope you're having fun in your cosy warm bed, 3,000 miles away in Canada. I'll be thinking of you when I'm having bricks and petrol bombs thrown at me.

[rizler]

Waterstone's employee just said on the news: "we'll stay open, if they steal some books they might learn something".





they are pretty much rioting over nothing. they arent proving any point

[punkrockbigmouth]

Frizzle, on 09 August 2011 - 05:59 PM, said:

Likewise most drug related or burglary offences are committed by whitey.

I can understand the outrage of police brutality, but this has really just escalated into something senseless.
You English folk act like you're so distinguished and classy what with your raising your pinkie whilst sipping tea, but goddamn... What did Grandfather do to deserve this?


Like it's been said before, this isn't about the economy, this isn't about any politics. It's just a bunch of wild men on the rampage. It's like the riots you see whenever the Los Angeles Lakers win the NBA Championship. These people aren't rioting to 'stick it to the man'. They're rioting because destroying things gives them boners.

[Red Chaos]

Get it real black people.


Also this pretty much sums up the people rioting.

Edited by Red Chaos, 10 August 2011 - 06:51 AM.

[lonewolf]

giforce2, on 09 August 2011 - 04:55 PM, said:

London Bridge is Falling Down

Song i was thinking of when i was watching the news !!! XD

[punkrockbigmouth]

YEAH FUCK THE GOVERNMENT! YEAAAAHHH!!! LET'S DO SHIT LIKE THIS...

YEAAAH! WE'RE STICKING IT TO THE MAN!