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[Skrillex]

Going to be getting a new laptop soon, and was needing some advice. Im wanting one that can play modern games on a somewhat decent framerate, and have a pretty good amount of storage for music/movies/games whatever I decide to load on it.
So far, I've got an HP build that looks pretty good, but if I can get something with similar specs for cheaper, throw it out here.

[FreedomPenguin]

HP Pavilion dv6z Quad Edition customizable Notebook PC
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• Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
• AMD Quad-Core A8-3500M Accelerated Processor (2.4GHz/1.5GHz, 4MB L2 Cache)
• 1GB GDDR5 Radeon™ HD Dual Graphics [HDMI, VGA]
• FREE Upgrade to 6GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
• 750GB 5400RPM Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection
• No Additional Office Software
• No additional security software
• 6-Cell Lithium-Ion Battery (standard) - Up to 5.5 hours of battery life +++
• 15.6" diagonal High Definition LED HP Brightview Display (1366x768)
• FREE Upgrade to Blu-ray player & SuperMulti DVD burner
• HP TrueVision HD Webcam with Integrated Digital Microphone and HP SimplePass Fingerprint Reader
• 802.11b/g/n WLAN and Bluetooth®
• Standard Keyboard
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[Donaldmax]

Don't buy HP. They aren't going to be making computers soon, so basically you get fucked over if you buy one right now. They are basically getting out of the computer business and moving to software.
Don't believe me?
http://www.economist...kard’s-overhaul
Still dont?
Google it.

[lolwowcow]

...which is why it's a perfect time to buy HP, since all their computers will be discounted more

EDIT: gravedig zzz

Edited by lolwowcow, 11 September 2011 - 08:14 PM.

[FreedomPenguin]

yup, buy them, they still honoring there warrantys. great prices for great hardware

[Waser Lave]

Donaldmax, on 11 September 2011 - 07:59 PM, said:

Don't buy HP. They aren't going to be making computers soon, so basically you get fucked over if you buy one right now. They are basically getting out of the computer business and moving to software.
Don't believe me?
http://www.economist...kard’s-overhaul
Still dont?
Google it.

They're planning to spin out their PC business, customers will likely see no change at all.

[Donaldmax]

Waser Lave, on 12 September 2011 - 01:20 AM, said:

They're planning to spin out their PC business, customers will likely see no change at all.

Well there is obviously a reason why they are leaving the PC business.
In short, HP is crap.

[lolwowcow]

Quanta, Compal, and other big ODMs manufacture the barebones laptops anyways. HP doesn't do anything other than brand it.

Why such hate for HP? zzz

[Waser Lave]

Donaldmax, on 12 September 2011 - 03:52 PM, said:

Well there is obviously a reason why they are leaving the PC business.
In short, HP is crap.

Their PC business is actually pretty profitable for them currently (worth over $2 billion a year in profit), they want to focus more on the provision of services and software rather than hardware (hence their recent purchase of Autonomy) because they think there's a lot of potential there for the future. The key facts to consider are that the PC business has low margins and currently has low levels of growth whereas software and services have much higher margins and are likely to see better growth so HP want to try to focus more on those higher margin products.

It seems like you're just saying things without actually knowing what you're talking about.

[iargue]

Donaldmax, on 12 September 2011 - 03:52 PM, said:

Well there is obviously a reason why they are leaving the PC business.
In short, HP is crap.

I will never ever ever understand people and their perception of technology. Apprently, anything that everyone uses is crap (Windows, hp, intel) and everything that only a tiny amount of people use, is godlike (apple, amd, etc)

Like... honestly. Do you really think million of people would buy a product every year that is shit? The law of the economy says that HP is not sucky. With plenty of other ones to choose from, people still choose hp.

[Juturna]

Personally, I've always wanted to get a Toshiba, but I don't see much of a problem with HP, as long as the specs and stuff are nice, and that it works.

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Like... honestly. Do you really think million of people would buy a product every year that is shit? The law of the economy says that HP is not sucky. With plenty of other ones to choose from, people still choose hp.

It's certainly true for entertainment. Just look at Jersey Shore or Twilight. =/ But yes. I think it may have to do with the fact it's not mainstream, or not popular, so the small faction that uses it considers themselves 'better' or 'smarter'.

[Therion]

iargue, on 12 September 2011 - 04:44 PM, said:

I will never ever ever understand people and their perception of technology. Apprently, anything that everyone uses is crap (Windows, hp, intel) and everything that only a tiny amount of people use, is godlike (apple, amd, etc)

Like... honestly. Do you really think million of people would buy a product every year that is shit? The law of the economy says that HP is not sucky. With plenty of other ones to choose from, people still choose hp.

That depends entirely on your point of view. You should know as well as anybody that HP are objectively a terrible brand to buy for computers. 30-40% markup, pre-installed bloatware that you don't even get a fresh OS disc to get rid of and from my experience at least, pretty terrible customer service all make for awful purchasing experiences.

People keep buying because it is well advertised, not because it is any good compared to alternatives.

OP, all I can suggest is make sure the laptop you're getting has room for software to grow, because you won't be able to upgrade it much before you toss it due to hardware limitations.

[soul__stealer]

Therion, on 14 September 2011 - 03:17 AM, said:

That depends entirely on your point of view. You should know as well as anybody that HP are objectively a terrible brand to buy for computers. 30-40% markup, pre-installed bloatware that you don't even get a fresh OS disc to get rid of and from my experience at least, pretty terrible customer service all make for awful purchasing experiences.

People keep buying because it is well advertised, not because it is any good compared to alternatives.

OP, all I can suggest is make sure the laptop you're getting has room for software to grow, because you won't be able to upgrade it much before you toss it due to hardware limitations.

Actually, most of the 'pre-fab' makers of computers do NOT provide a fresh OS disc without the bloatware. Even more fact; most of them actually don't even provide a 'reset' disc anymore... the image is stored on the laptop and it's up to the consumer to burn one onto a DVD before the laptop crashes (it's the first thing I do).


As for HP no longer producing equipment/leaving the market... This is no reason NOT to buy a HP... In fact, I'd be more inclined to buy a HP...
1) The price is going to drop as they clear out the last of their stock
2) Regardless of what they do, if the company doesnt go bust (which it wont), they are bound by law to honor their warranties anyway... As with any company regardless, getting warranty work is always hard.


I've owned Toshiba (this is my current laptop) and HP (my fiancees new laptop) and I actually much prefer the HP over the Toshiba. Overall; the keyboard is nicer/better to type with, the speakers are fucking awesome and so loud!



The only thing I can say, is upgrade the battery and ensure that the graphics you get are dedicated graphics rather then shared... If you have to sacrifice a little bit of processing power for dedicated graphics, you are better off doing so.

[Therion]

soul__stealer, on 14 September 2011 - 04:13 AM, said:

Actually, most of the 'pre-fab' makers of computers do NOT provide a fresh OS disc without the bloatware. Even more fact; most of them actually don't even provide a 'reset' disc anymore... the image is stored on the laptop and it's up to the consumer to burn one onto a DVD before the laptop crashes (it's the first thing I do).


As for HP no longer producing equipment/leaving the market... This is no reason NOT to buy a HP... In fact, I'd be more inclined to buy a HP...
1) The price is going to drop as they clear out the last of their stock
2) Regardless of what they do, if the company doesnt go bust (which it wont), they are bound by law to honor their warranties anyway... As with any company regardless, getting warranty work is always hard.


I've owned Toshiba (this is my current laptop) and HP (my fiancees new laptop) and I actually much prefer the HP over the Toshiba. Overall; the keyboard is nicer/better to type with, the speakers are fucking awesome and so loud!



The only thing I can say, is upgrade the battery and ensure that the graphics you get are dedicated graphics rather then shared... If you have to sacrifice a little bit of processing power for dedicated graphics, you are better off doing so.

I wasn't sure if Dell, Toshiba etc also pulled the partitioned disc trick to avoid actually providing software discs. Last few PC's I had were HP.

And yes, depending on your knowledge of computers having something with strong hardware will keep you from tearing your hair out in a year because nothing runs well. Be really sure you know what you're getting when buying from retailers. I still remember all the moaning when people could barely run windows 7 on their laptops with 1GB memory because that was barely enough to keep the OS stable.

[soul__stealer]

Therion, on 14 September 2011 - 11:57 PM, said:

I wasn't sure if Dell, Toshiba etc also pulled the partitioned disc trick to avoid actually providing software discs. Last few PC's I had were HP.

And yes, depending on your knowledge of computers having something with strong hardware will keep you from tearing your hair out in a year because nothing runs well. Be really sure you know what you're getting when buying from retailers. I still remember all the moaning when people could barely run windows 7 on their laptops with 1GB memory because that was barely enough to keep the OS stable.

They certainly do pull that trick.


I had to create the recovery disc on my Toshiba (4x DVD's!)
My Fiancees HP came with a driver disc (I think) but still requires me to create the actual recovery disc.
My fathers $2500 Dell Business laptop came with a recovery CD (5 years ago)
My sisters $1800 media laptop from Dell required her to create the recovery.