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[redlion]

soul__stealer, on 19 January 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

Just found this brilliant comment posted anonymously by someone on one of the news articles regarding the topic.

Great quote. The difference of course is that xeroxing a book only enables a (relatively) few folks in your immediate area to get around buying the book, whereas digital downloading is available anywhere, anytime, given an internet connection.

Not the best of analogies, but still worth considering. Piracy is nothing new

[soul__stealer]

redlion, on 19 January 2012 - 11:41 PM, said:

Great quote. The difference of course is that xeroxing a book only enables a (relatively) few folks in your immediate area to get around buying the book, whereas digital downloading is available anywhere, anytime, given an internet connection.

Not the best of analogies, but still worth considering. Piracy is nothing new

Sure. Just like with torrents, it just means there have to be more nodes

Person A buys book; copies and shares with b, c, d and e

Each of those also copy the book and so on. It will still go around just like torrents, just the delivery method is slower. I see a lot of reference material in workplaces that has been copied multiple times for training and handed out time and time again... hell... I'm willing to bet an entire years salary that this also happens within the organisations that are fighting piracy.

[redlion]

soul__stealer, on 19 January 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Sure. Just like with torrents, it just means there have to be more nodes

Person A buys book; copies and shares with b, c, d and e

Each of those also copy the book and so on. It will still go around just like torrents, just the delivery method is slower. I see a lot of reference material in workplaces that has been copied multiple times for training and handed out time and time again... hell... I'm willing to bet an entire years salary that this also happens within the organisations that are fighting piracy.

Yes, but (correct me if I'm mistaken) isn't it entirely legal to photocopy for educational purposes? The RIAA isn't educational, but copying a textbook to use in classes surely is.

[soul__stealer]

redlion, on 20 January 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Yes, but (correct me if I'm mistaken) isn't it entirely legal to photocopy for educational purposes? The RIAA isn't educational, but copying a textbook to use in classes surely is.

I'm not sure. I think copying books for students vs copying books for staff training would fall under 2 different forms of education, the latter being copyright and illegal... although I'm sure that they would somehow argue otherwise. Training of staff is an expense which would be tax deductable, which means reference material would also be tax deductable. Personally I don't see how they can say one form of copyright is legal and then another form of copyright is illegal. Sure, educational facilities such as schools and libraries should be permitted to copy material for educational purposes, as they are the ones ensuring our children learn for the future, however businesses shouldn't get away with the same.

[rhexis07]

redlion, on 20 January 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Yes, but (correct me if I'm mistaken) isn't it entirely legal to photocopy for educational purposes? The RIAA isn't educational, but copying a textbook to use in classes surely is.

I believe you can photocopy parts of textbooks, just not the entire textbook.

[Lychee]

rhexis07, on 20 January 2012 - 12:32 AM, said:

I believe you can photocopy parts of textbooks, just not the entire textbook.

That's right. I can't remember if the exact figure is 5% or 10%, but a safe guideline is usually given as one chapter or article from a book.

[jcrboy]

Xexist, on 19 January 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

I feel like I just lost a family member

*mourns*

Pilot, on 19 January 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

lol Megaupload

Mediafire Master Race here.

Psht. That is all.

ToxicS, on 19 January 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

Jcrboy had like 500+ dollars he could have redeemed. He is going to be so pissed when he finds out.

I assumed mega would always be there for me... *cries*

...and I needed that $500........ *cries harder*

Waser Lave, on 19 January 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

Quote

The indictment charges the defendants with conspiring to launder money by paying users through the sites’ uploader reward program and paying companies to host the infringing content.

I'm worried that this means the government doesn't understand the concept of revenue sharing.

[GeorgeBright]

I'm happy about this.

[Waser Lave]

redlion, on 20 January 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Yes, but (correct me if I'm mistaken) isn't it entirely legal to photocopy for educational purposes? The RIAA isn't educational, but copying a textbook to use in classes surely is.

At my university the rules were:

• A chapter of a book, or 5% of a book, whichever is the longer
  
• One complete article from a single issue of a journal
  
• A maximum of ten pages of a poem, short story, or other short literary work, taken from a volume of short stories or poems
  
• Up to 10% (maximum 20 pages) of a pamphlet, report or pamphlet
  
• One separate illustration, diagram, photograph or map up to A4 size. However, if the illustrations form an integral part of an article or chapter, they may be included as part of that extract

Either way you're probably not going to get sent to prison for breaking the rules.

[Sida]

Waser Lave, on 20 January 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

At my university the rules were:

• A chapter of a book, or 5% of a book, whichever is the longer
• One complete article from a single issue of a journal
• A maximum of ten pages of a poem, short story, or other short literary work, taken from a volume of short stories or poems
• Up to 10% (maximum 20 pages) of a pamphlet, report or pamphlet
• One separate illustration, diagram, photograph or map up to A4 size. However, if the illustrations form an integral part of an article or chapter, they may be included as part of that extract

Either way you're probably not going to get sent to prison for breaking the rules.

Who the fuck would even consider working that out when copying something

[Waser Lave]

Sida, on 20 January 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

Who the fuck would even consider working that out when copying something

I never did.

[iargue]

WharfRat, on 19 January 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:

Just bought a 4 year membership like 2 weeks ago... Damn.

I think the is the largest issue with what is happening.

Megaupload, even if its just on the service, is a fileshare/backup provider. Their legitimate face, which was used, is to store files for people to retrieve from anywhere, and have access to as a backup. People did use this service (I have on many accounts).

Given that people did pay for this service, and they did use it, the government acted rashly, and probably illegally by shutting it down without any form of warning, or ability to recover lost files.

Even if 90% of megaupload was used for the purpose of copyright infringement. That still leaves at least a million people who now have no access to files in which they where legally guaranteed access to. By taking down the site immediately, and not providing any warning, or way of accessing these files, they have violated the rights of everyone using it for a legitimate purpose.

I, for one, am hoping to see a class action lawsuit against the government for removing those files without warning or ability to recover them.

[supertrap]

They made the mistake of using Servers in virgina.

Thats why the US can file the charges.

btw, we can hitler it and blame all this on the jews in the entertainment industry.

HOLOCAUSTnow

[punkrockbigmouth]

supertrap, on 20 January 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

They made the mistake of using Servers in virgina.

Thats why the US can file the charges.

btw, we can hitler it and blame all this on the jews in the entertainment industry.

HOLOCAUSTnow

Is that you, Mel Gibson?

[redlion]

punkrockbigmouth, on 20 January 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Is that you, Mel Gibson?

He's not drunk, probably not him.

Then again, I'm drunk. Judgement probably impaired.

[punkrockbigmouth]

redlion, on 20 January 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

He's not drunk, probably not him.

Then again, I'm drunk. Judgement probably impaired.

Just as long as you don't refer to anyone as 'sugartits' I think you're fine.

[frostz]

Unfortunately they shut down megavideo, a sub-site of megaupload as well...

Where am i going to watch my movies now....? I actually used Megavideo quite a lot and am not sure what to replace it with now that it is gone

Edited by frostz, 21 January 2012 - 02:17 AM.

[Sweeney]

frostz, on 21 January 2012 - 02:16 AM, said:

Unfortunately they shut down megavideo, a sub-site of megaupload as well...

Where am i going to watch my movies now....? I actually used Megavideo quite a lot and am not sure what to replace it with now that it is gone

It was actually the same hosting system, not a sub-site. Obviously they'd go down together.

[Turnip]

Thank goodness all of the things I download get uploaded to Mediafire/other placesoh wait shit I just remembered, I still had to download a few things from MU
H-hopefully they're in other places as well...

But wow, that sucks D: I hope they come back sometime soon...

[Waser Lave]

I miss MegaUpload, I used to get 4-5MB/s download speeds from them*.

* On completely legal downloads, honest guv'nor (just in case anybody is watching).

[iargue]

KimDotcom denied bail


Maybe if he hadn't tried to barricade himself in a safe, he might have been able to escape.

[Waser Lave]

iargue, on 22 January 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

KimDotcom denied bail


Maybe if he hadn't tried to barricade himself in a safe, he might have been able to escape.

76 armed police + helicopters seems a bit excessive. I wonder how long it'll be until somebody plans to make a film about the whole Megaupload story.

[ToxicS]

It is quite possible this can happen.

[Scot]

GeorgeBright, on 20 January 2012 - 04:56 AM, said:

I'm happy about this.

This is the end of BlueLinks as we know it.

[Origins]

So many uploads to that site, now all dead.