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[Makinami]

http://community.nas...?storyid=115641

SOPA and PIPA have been indefinitely postponed.

We won the war against the stupid law makers.

<3 Go internet

[Asakura]

Awesome, knew this would happen, just not this quickly

[Bone]

Well that was quick. I was hoping for a long, bloody battle.

[Makinami]

Although long, bloody battles are quite fun....I'm quite relieved that they realized the opposition so quickly.

Just goes to show that when a lot of people work together, we can over-power the government

[jcrgirl]

I hope they don't arrest jcrboy.

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jcrgirl, on 20 January 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

I hope they don't arrest jcrboy.

Why would they?

And, I think Google and Wikipedia did most of the reversing here.

[Melchoire]

There's a possibility that a similar bill could pass:

http://www.reddit.co...and_its/c3i9fqe

[supertrap]

Melchoire, on 20 January 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

There's a possibility that a similar bill could pass:

http://www.reddit.co...and_its/c3i9fqe

We must keep track of this claim

[Melchoire]

supertrap, on 20 January 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

We must keep track of this claim

http://en.wikipedia....ers_Act_of_2011

Bill author: the one and only Lamar Smith(author of SOPA and PIPA)

As it stands the bill requires ISP's to track customer activity for 18 months and hand over said information during an investigation. The investigation could be triggered by a suspicion of criminal activity(ironically it doesn't have to be child-porn related). Essentially it lets the government spy on you without your knowledge. (the wiki article doesn't have a lot to go on but that's what I got from it)

[supertrap]

Melchoire, on 20 January 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

http://en.wikipedia....ers_Act_of_2011

Bill author: the one and only Lamar Smith(author of SOPA and PIPA)

As it stands the bill requires ISP's to track customer activity for 18 months and hand over said information during an investigation. The investigation could be triggered by a suspicion of criminal activity(ironically it doesn't have to be child-porn related). Essentially it lets the government spy on you without your knowledge. (the wiki article doesn't have a lot to go on but that's what I got from it)

When is it supposed to be voted on?

[iargue]

Melchoire, on 20 January 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

http://en.wikipedia....ers_Act_of_2011

Bill author: the one and only Lamar Smith(author of SOPA and PIPA)

As it stands the bill requires ISP's to track customer activity for 18 months and hand over said information during an investigation. The investigation could be triggered by a suspicion of criminal activity(ironically it doesn't have to be child-porn related). Essentially it lets the government spy on you without your knowledge. (the wiki article doesn't have a lot to go on but that's what I got from it)

I believe that using this to catch CopyRight Infringes would act as Wrongful Seizure. They ask to monitor for a specific thing (Child pron) and not for copyright infringment. Thus they can't use the information that they gained to try you on another basis.

Also, how does stopping people from watching child porn online protect our children? If anything it endangers them. If they can't live our their fantasy online, the only thing left is to do it in person.

Also, this wont stop piracy either. SSL ftw.

[redlion]

iargue, on 20 January 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

Also, how does stopping people from watching child porn online protect our children? If anything it endangers them. If they can't live our their fantasy online, the only thing left is to do it in person.

Arguably, legalizing child porn could result in a net less amount of harmed children, because people will be able to live out their fantasies through pictures and video instead of actually going after real children.

That's the whole premise behind pornography, really.

But their premise in writing this legislation is that it is our duty as a nation to protect each and every child from being a victim in such cases. Conveniently, they argue for parents' rights elsewhere, in areas like homeschooling, religious upbringing (read: indoctrination), and the right to drink soda without being taxed.

[Melchoire]

iargue, on 20 January 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

I believe that using this to catch CopyRight Infringes would act as Wrongful Seizure. They ask to monitor for a specific thing (Child pron) and not for copyright infringment. Thus they can't use the information that they gained to try you on another basis.

Also, how does stopping people from watching child porn online protect our children? If anything it endangers them. If they can't live our their fantasy online, the only thing left is to do it in person.

Also, this wont stop piracy either. SSL ftw.

I don't think the bill specifies a specific crime that the ISP's data could be used for, ie, any crime.

Plus if you check out that reddit link, the user argues that they are gonna slap SOPA and/or PIPA on this bill and pass it. Very few politicians would be willing to say no to a child-pornography bill. It would tarnish their image.

[redlion]

Melchoire, on 20 January 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

I don't think the bill specifies a specific crime that the ISP's data could be used for, ie, any crime.

Plus if you check out that reddit link, the user argues that they are gonna slap SOPA and/or PIPA on this bill and pass it. Very few politicians would be willing to say no to a child-pornography bill. It would tarnish their image.

They will if the ACLU comes out against infringing everyone's liberties to catch a relatively few number of criminals

[Sage]

redlion, on 20 January 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

They will if the ACLU comes out against infringing everyone's liberties to catch a relatively few number of criminals

Apparently the ACLU and EFF have already done that. A California Rep actually filed a motion to change the name to the "Keep Every American's Digital Data for Submission to the Federal Government Without a Warrant Act of 2011" because she felt that they should at least be honest about what they're actually doing.

[iargue]

cuddlydemon, on 20 January 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

Apparently the ACLU and EFF have already done that. A California Rep actually filed a motion to change the name to the "Keep Every American's Digital Data for Submission to the Federal Government Without a Warrant Act of 2011" because she felt that they should at least be honest about what they're actually doing.

We should rename all of all laws to the correct name.

"american recovery and reinvestment act" = Spend all of the governments money on useless projects that no one will ever use act of 2009.

Melchoire, on 20 January 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

I don't think the bill specifies a specific crime that the ISP's data could be used for, ie, any crime.

Plus if you check out that reddit link, the user argues that they are gonna slap SOPA and/or PIPA on this bill and pass it. Very few politicians would be willing to say no to a child-pornography bill. It would tarnish their image.

The bill states child porn throughout it repeatedly. The internet section does not specify though, but at the same time, it only states that they have to keep IP addresses on hand and thats it.