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[Bone]

Marine to serve no jail time in Iraqi killings



I suppose all it takes to excuse the murder of two dozen people is to be a Marine.

[Ladida]

Collateral damage. I'm curious about the person who was acquitted. Why wasn't his case dropped along with the rest? I figure it must be really easy to fuck up when on the front line, so I don't want to fault this guy. He wasn't intentionally trying to kill civilians.

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Brian Rooney, an attorney who represented a former defendant, said cases like Haditha are difficult to prosecute because a military jury is unlikely to question decisions made in combat unless wrongdoing is clear-cut and egregious, like rape."

If it's a gray area, fog-of-war, you can't put yourself in a Marine's situation where he's legitimately trying to do the best he can," said Rooney, who represented Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani, the highest-ranking Marine charged in the case.

Those paragraphs at the end of the article convey exactly what I was trying to say. I get what punk said, if someone screws up, they have to pay for it. But those men and women have to make snap decisions every day that could determine whether they live or die. That's of course no consolation to the families destroyed by his mistake.

Edited by Ladida, 24 January 2012 - 10:35 PM.

[Drakonid]

America fuck yeah!

[punkrockbigmouth]

Ladida, on 24 January 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

Collateral damage. I'm curious about the person who was acquitted. Why wasn't his case dropped along with the rest? I figure it must be really easy to fuck up when on the front line, so I don't want to fault this guy. He wasn't intentionally trying to kill civilians.

And I don't intentionally try to dispense the wrong dosage to patients. But if I do, and that patient dies because of it, you can bet your ass I will get held accountable for it.
He's a Marine. He should be held to higher standards. They're going to maybe demote him, but not too much because he has kids as if we should care about his kids, but not the kids who were killed in Iraq for no reason.
He wanted to kill those people. He is a remorseless, lying, murderer.

[Adam]

War is war, the enemy is the enemy. To be honest, I wish we could still use mustard gas. Damn you to hell NATO.

-Posting in the likeness of my good friend Sweeny.

Edited by Adam, 24 January 2012 - 07:59 PM.

[Drakonid]

[Bone]

Drakonid, on 24 January 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

I think the word 'stupid' would imply too much dignity

[punkrockbigmouth]

Adam, on 24 January 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

War is war, the enemy is the enemy. To be honest, I wish we could still use mustard gas. Damn you to hell NATO.

-Posting in the likeness of my good friend Sweeny.

Uh... except Sweeney is smart and funny.

[Bone]

[Adam]

punkrockbigmouth, on 24 January 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

Uh... except Sweeney is smart and funny.

I'm entitled to my opinion, this is America. Well at least, where I'm from that is.

[Drakonid]

I'd rather avoid words and leave it to each one's interpretation, but yeah, we all know what I meant.

[Bone]

Adam, on 24 January 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

I'm entitled to my opinion, this is America. Well at least, where I'm from that is.

Nobody said you weren't. I think the idea is that your opinion is ignorant and morally affronting.

[Drakonid]

Adam, on 24 January 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

I'm entitled to my opinion, this is America. Well at least, where I'm from that is.

Fair enough.
Then again:

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Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

[Bone]

Drakonid, on 24 January 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

Fair enough.
Then again:

Remember? Muslims aren't people. D'oh!

Spoiler

I don't want another warn, so OBVIOUS SARCASM^

[Boggart]

Bone, for your own sake,

GO TO BED BEFORE YOU GET ANGRIER AND CAN'T SLEEP TONIGHT

[Elindoril]

Bone, on 24 January 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

I don't want another warn, so OBVIOUS SARCASM^

[redlion]

Adam, on 24 January 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

War is war, the enemy is the enemy. To be honest, I wish we could still use mustard gas. Damn you to hell NATO.

-Posting in the likeness of my good friend Sweeny.

I think you wanted to say the Geneva Protocol, not NATO. Mustard gas was outlawed before NATO even existed...

Well, outlawed from use in international war. Didn't stop Saddam from gassing the Kurds.

[Adam]

redlion, on 24 January 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

I think you wanted to say the Geneva Protocol, not NATO. Mustard gas was outlawed before NATO even existed...

Well, outlawed from use in international war. Didn't stop Saddam from gassing the Kurds.

Sorry sir, it's been a while since I've taken a history class. I should have used Google.

[Melchoire]

Should this really surprise anyone anymore? I bet there's tonnes of incidents like this or even worse that have gone unreported.

[Stitches]

Bone the gif in your signature is seriously creeping me out.

[Sweeney]

Adam, on 24 January 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

-Posting in the likeness of my good friend Sweeny.

For a start, at least I can spell my own username.

But on top of that, where on Earth have you got the impression that I'm ok with mass murder?

[Melchoire]

Adam, on 24 January 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

War is war, the enemy is the enemy. To be honest, I wish we could still use mustard gas. Damn you to hell NATO.

-Posting in the likeness of my good friend Sweeny.

If you're not trolling, I hope you die tomorrow.

[iargue]

punkrockbigmouth, on 24 January 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

And I don't intentionally try to dispense the wrong dosage to patients. But if I do, and that patient dies because of it, you can bet your ass I will get held accountable for it.
He's a Marine. He should be held to higher standards. They're going to maybe demote him, but not too much because he has kids as if we should care about his kids, but not the kids who were killed in Iraq for no reason.
He wanted to kill those people. He is a remorseless, lying, murderer.

That's a pretty commending statement. I'm glad that you lived his life, put yourself in a combat situation where anyone you see could be carrying a bomb, and knew what went on whent the killing happened. I'm glad you have that kind of power to know that hes a remorseless lying murderer. Could you direct your powers to help our government?

I think he should have at least been discharged for his actions :|

[Applepi]

iargue, on 24 January 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

That's a pretty commending statement. I'm glad that you lived his life, put yourself in a combat situation where anyone you see could be carrying a bomb, and knew what went on whent the killing happened. I'm glad you have that kind of power to know that hes a remorseless lying murderer. Could you direct your powers to help our government?

Just because he thinks anyone could be carrying a bomb doesn't give him license to blindly shoot (or order shootings). Under your logic, cops would have free reign to shoot anyone they pull over b/c just about anyone could have a concealed weapon.

[Amagius]

iargue, on 24 January 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

That's a pretty commending statement. I'm glad that you lived his life, put yourself in a combat situation where anyone you see could be carrying a bomb, and knew what went on whent the killing happened. I'm glad you have that kind of power to know that hes a remorseless lying murderer. Could you direct your powers to help our government?

I think he should have at least been discharged for his actions :|

Ideally, I'd say that what he did was reprehensible and that it represents all the worst in the American army; but that's really the nature of war, and war is shit, and what do you expect when you put some 20-something year old good ol' boys in the Middle East on some vague notion? He should've been discharged though. We look pretty awful supporting 'lack of intelligence' as a reason for killing people.

Cyo, on 25 January 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

Big deal, it's just a poor person anyway, nothing of value was lost.

Can I buy your WoW account? PM me with details.