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#1 JorJor

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 10:14 PM

I'm sure this is a very volatile subject for many people, but I'm just wondering what everyone's opinion is.

I, personally, think that everyone is entitled to love and to be attracted to whomever they please. I view gays (homosexuals if you prefer) the exact same as hetereosexuals. I dislike hate how some people in America (not just America, but it is the country with which I am most familiar. I hear from my Australian friends that Australia has a troubling classist system.) devalue a person simply based on his or her sexuality ( devaluation also occurs based on other factors but I'm specifying homosexuality here). I believe that a person's sexual orientation is no more a choice than one's skin color. I'm interested in other peoples' opinions.

Also, I'm agnostic (kinda leaning toward atheist but not quite there yet) if anyone is curious about my religious affiliation.

I think we should love everyone regardless of their race, ethnicity, social class, sex, or sexual orientation.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 10:17 PM

Oh, honey, no.

On the other hand, the only reason you're likely to get all sorts of crap for this is because the majority opinion on homosexuality is pretty easy to find if you do an "I'm bored" five-minute search for the term. I suppose one becomes accustomed to people snapping at anybody who asks this question.

Edited by cuddlydemon, 03 April 2012 - 10:19 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 10:38 PM

In the western world, it's not longer homosexuality is no longer "controversial". It might carry with it some social stigma from the odd religious nut, but on a whole the governments do not discriminate against them and neither does most of the populous. You'll still find people who feel discriminated by the govt. but they're isolated incidents.

In some african nations and middle eastern countries it's a whole different story and people are often sentenced to death for being gay =(

But that's going off topic =P So me: I'm totally cool with it.

I believe that a person's sexual orientation is no more a choice than one's skin color.


I wouldn't go so far as to say that...a person's upbringing has been shown to at least affect their likelihood of being gay. So "born this way" isn't entirely true...

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 10:40 PM

Homosexuals are gay.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 10:45 PM

homosexuality is no longer "controversial"... the governments do not discriminate against them


Why, then, is there not a single openly homosexual U.S. politician? One does not have to be a "nut" to let their religion guide their thoughts and actions.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that...a person's upbringing has been shown to at least affect their likelihood of being gay. So "born this way" isn't entirely true...


Nurture is nature. How a person is raised depends on the predispositions of their guardians, which are in turn derived from those of their guardians, and so on, essentially back to the very first cell. It's probably too early to derail the thread into a discussion of free will, though, so I'll stop there.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 10:51 PM

Why, then, is there not a single openly homosexual U.S. politician? One does not have to be a "nut" to let their religion guide their thoughts and actions.


Well, if you want to get technical about it, every male politician that gets caught soliciting male prostitutes (of varying ages) is pretty much outed... But yeah no, as far as controversy is concerned, homosexuality is right there on the list with abortion and women's rights.

Personally I think everybody would be happier if we were all bi. Everyone is porn! Yay!

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:00 PM

I didn't realise that in America, homosexual couples can reap the same tax benifits etc that heterosexual couples are capable of receiving. If they can't receive the same benefits, then yes, the government is still discriminating.

Oh you Americans! Always thinking you're the center of the western world....

Why, then, is there not a single openly homosexual U.S. politician? One does not have to be a "nut" to let their religion guide their thoughts and actions.


I was talking about the "west" in general. There are some bad apples...Belgium, if I'm not mistaken, has an openly gay prime minister. And so does another country that I'm forgetting. I'm just arguing that on a whole it's not a terribly controversial subject anymore.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:04 PM

I personally don't have anything wrong with homosexuality. Though I do ditest excessive PDA (be it homosexual or straight).

Edited by wetfartificial, 03 April 2012 - 11:13 PM.


#9 JorJor

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:04 PM

I was talking about the "west" in general. There are some bad apples...Belgium, if I'm not mistaken, has an openly gay prime minister. And so does another country that I'm forgetting. I'm just arguing that on a whole it's not a terribly controversial subject anymore.



I believe Ireland or Iceland has/had a gay political leader. Also, if homosexuality were not such an issue, why then would America still be struggling with whether or not to allow same-sex marriage?

And I think the nature vs. nurture thing is an interesting subject considering I was born into and raised by a very conservative, Christian family, yet I am now gay and agnostic. I think how someone is raised does have an influence on how that person turns out, but is not necessarily a defining factor in who that person becomes.



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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:09 PM

I believe Ireland or Iceland has/had a gay political leader. Also, if homosexuality were not such an issue, why then would America still be struggling with whether or not to allow same-sex marriage?

Because America sucks?

And I think the nature vs. nurture thing is an interesting subject considering I was born into and raised by a very conservative, Christian family, yet I am now gay and agnostic. I think how someone is raised does have an influence on how that person turns out, but is not necessarily a defining factor in who that person becomes.

Well put.

I personally don't have anything wrong with homosexuality. Though I do detist excessive PDA (be it homosexual or straight).


What's PDA?

#11 JorJor

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:11 PM

Because America sucks?


What's PDA?


Haha yeah, America is rather behind the rest of the world in a few areas :p

And PDA = Public Display of Affection

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:12 PM

Lemme just say it like this... If it's not all that controversial anymore, why is it necessary to say 'gay' as well as 'leader'? If it wasn't a controversial issue on the whole, that would mean the detail was no longer significant enough to mention either because there are a whole bunch of 'em everywhere, or because the vast majority doesn't care anymore. Rather like referring to a black governor or a female senator.

Also let's not begin the 'America sucks' nattering, shall we? The assumption that the OP's country of origin (or at least the one they're talking about specifically) is America isn't unreasonable, given where the overwhelming majority of this forum's members come from. And if you want to mention how behind "the rest of the world" America is, I will cough delicately and glance sidelong at Australia, among others.

Edited by cuddlydemon, 03 April 2012 - 11:14 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:13 PM

What's PDA?


Public Display of affection

Edited by Pikachuu, 03 April 2012 - 11:14 PM.


#14 Melchoire

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:14 PM

Haha yeah, America is rather behind the rest of the world in a few areas :p

And PDA = Public Display of Affection


Uggh I don't like it either, making me feel bad for not being in a relationship. Why don't they just have sex on my face!

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:16 PM

There are a number of openly gay or bisexual members of the forum and none of them receive any hate from anyone.



yes this.
i love codex because of this. and a number of other reasons.
but the non homophobic community is really something. shows that members know boundaries and aren't all 12-year-old gamers who are desperate to use any slur they can find : )

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:18 PM

yes this.
i love codex because of this. and a number of other reasons.
but the non homophobic community is really something. shows that members know boundaries and aren't all 12-year-old gamers who are desperate to use any slur they can find : )


Some of us are 12-year-old gamers who want to hug everybody in an inappropriately affectionate manner. ^^

#17 JorJor

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:20 PM

Despite its inferiorities (which I won't delve into) I like living in America :p It's a very competitive country which leads to it having lower prices on goods versus other countries

Uggh I don't like it either, making me feel bad for not being in a relationship. Why don't they just have sex on my face!



Probably cause that would be extremely uncomfortable, not to mention difficult



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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:23 PM

Lemme just say it like this... If it's not all that controversial anymore, why is it necessary to say 'gay' as well as 'leader'? If it wasn't a controversial issue on the whole, that would mean the detail was no longer significant enough to mention either because there are a whole bunch of 'em everywhere, or because the vast majority doesn't care anymore. Rather like referring to a black governor or a female senator.

Also let's not begin the 'America sucks' nattering, shall we? The assumption that the OP's country of origin (or at least the one they're talking about specifically) is America isn't unreasonable, given where the overwhelming majority of this forum's members come from. And if you want to mention how behind "the rest of the world" America is, I will cough delicately and glance sidelong at Australia, among others.


This is a discussion about homosexuality...why wouldn't you mention that the leader is gay? In any case that's not really a negative point, it's a subject that people might be interested in and media outlets like to capitalize on said subjects, so you're probably used to hearing the "gay leaders". Otherwise, it wouldn't really be too noteworthy. You wouldn't blame some newspaper for pointing out that the new mayor of some city in American is actually born in Brazil? No body is saying that there's anything wrong with being from brazil, it's just a point of interest...

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:25 PM

This is a discussion about homosexuality...why wouldn't you mention that the leader is gay? In any case that's not really a negative point, it's a subject that people might be interested in and media outlets like to capitalize on said subjects, so you're probably used to hearing the "gay leaders". Otherwise, it wouldn't really be too noteworthy. You wouldn't blame some newspaper for pointing out that the new mayor of some city in American is actually born in Brazil? No body is saying that there's anything wrong with being from brazil, it's just a point of interest...


I never made any mention of it being negative.

#20 Melchoire

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:28 PM

I never made any mention of it being negative.


You should've phrased yourself better then. You were arguing that it's not a noncontroversial subject, which most would say is a negative...

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:30 PM

You should've phrased yourself better then. You were arguing that it's not a noncontroversial subject, which most would say is a negative...


Then 'most' don't understand what 'controversial' means.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:33 PM

Then 'most' don't understand what 'controversial' means.


I would like it if homosexuality wasn't controversial...

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:34 PM

I would like it if homosexuality wasn't controversial...


So would homosexuals.

Edit: Well, most of them, anyway. I suppose there's always a couple dorks in every group who think it's fun to stir up trouble.

Edited by cuddlydemon, 03 April 2012 - 11:35 PM.


#24 Melchoire

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:37 PM

So would homosexuals.

Edit: Well, most of them, anyway. I suppose there's always a couple dorks in every group who think it's fun to stir up trouble.


Right, so if it wasn't controversial that would be better. They would have all their rights that they deserve, no questions asked. So the fact that it's controversial is sort of...bad isn't it?

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:38 PM

Right, so if it wasn't controversial that would be better. They would have all their rights that they deserve, no questions asked. So the fact that it's controversial is sort of...bad isn't it?


Controversy in and of itself isn't a bad thing. It has negative connotations because it generally means people argue about it, and we don't like to get into confrontations when we can possibly avoid them because they have the potential to harm us in some fashion. Where controversy itself becomes bad is when people can't behave like adults and fight, instead of debating.

It's been fun, but it's nearly 3 AM here and I'm gonna crash now.

Edited by cuddlydemon, 03 April 2012 - 11:40 PM.



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