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[trizzle]

Ouch, what a fucking nuts woman...

Ok if there was a terrible pun in there it was unintentional.

What I don't understand is why he didn't just shove her or kick her or get her away from him before she literally bust his balls

[Epidote]

And to think I cringe every time I see a kick to the balls in a movie. This has made me never want to speak ill to a woman ever! That or always wear a cup.

[Napiform]

Men generally have a higher threshold of pain. On average.

Then why can't they take care of themselves when they're sick?
(also, what does that have to do with how much pain males go through v. females?)

Have you seen the latest g-spot news? Apparently when it swells up, it makes women have a higher pain threshold for childbirth and stuff.

Edited by Napiform, 30 April 2012 - 06:02 PM.

[redlion]

Men are more likely to develop kidney stones than women.

A ureter blocked by a kidney stone hurts worse than childbirth (I have experienced both, if you don't believe me just look it up. It's far worse).

However every man I have known who had a kidney stone vomited and/or passed out from the pain, and I did neither *ponders*

Anyway I just wanted to point out it is possible for men to experience pain that is greater than that of childbirth - and getting kicked in the balls, I assume, doesn't compare to kidney stone pain.

Come now, you're confusing the issue. The issue isn't whether or not men can experience pain greater than childbirth, it's whether or not men have a higher tolerance for pain than women. Or at least, that's what Lee and I were going on about.

Of course it's possible for men (or women or children) to experience pain greater than childbirth - amputation by chainsaw without anesthesia would fit the bill.

[Nymh]

Come now, you're confusing the issue. The issue isn't whether or not men can experience pain greater than childbirth, it's whether or not men have a higher tolerance for pain than women. Or at least, that's what Lee and I were going on about.

Of course it's possible for men (or women or children) to experience pain greater than childbirth - amputation by chainsaw without anesthesia would fit the bill.

Why do you always assume I don't understand the things that I, myself, say?

I understand that men's pain tolerance is less than that of women - hence why I pointed out that bit about men puking and passing out with their kidney stones when I didn't. The point I was trying to make is that women ALWAYS play the "childbirth" card during this debate, which is something that men cannot experience, and men ALWAYS play the "getting kicked in the balls card," which women likewise cannot experience... when a better comparison would be something that both sexes can go through (and happens to be even more painful).

[redlion]

Why do you always assume I don't understand the things that I, myself, say?

I understand that men's pain tolerance is less than that of women - hence why I pointed out that bit about men puking and passing out with their kidney stones when I didn't. The point I was trying to make is that women ALWAYS play the "childbirth" card during this debate, which is something that men cannot experience, and men ALWAYS play the "getting kicked in the balls card," which women likewise cannot experience... when a better comparison would be something that both sexes can go through (and happens to be even more painful).

I'm not assuming that you don't understand what you said, only that you don't understand what everyone else was talking about.

It is obviously possible for both men and women to experience pain greater than childbirth. No one is disputing that. What is in dispute is who has the greater pain tolerance on average.

The only thing you said to address that point was that every man you've known to have a kidney stone (which is a subjective grouping) passed out when you (again a subjective experience) did not. You're using one completely isolated example as evidence for your position.

[Frizzle]

So you used a sample of you and your friends? Bare in mind, men are generally stronger, smarter, fitter and generally superior in every evolutionary way to women. This is of course in general.

Why would pain tolerance be different?

[Shrouded]

Men are more likely to develop kidney stones than women.

A ureter blocked by a kidney stone hurts worse than childbirth (I have experienced both, if you don't believe me just look it up. It's far worse).

However every man I have known who had a kidney stone vomited and/or passed out from the pain, and I did neither *ponders*

Anyway I just wanted to point out it is possible for men to experience pain that is greater than that of childbirth - and getting kicked in the balls, I assume, doesn't compare to kidney stone pain.

I've had four. One of which was broken up with a lazer prior to passing. That turned it into fragments and each of them hurt horribly. I peed into a filter for a week to make sure I got them all out. I'd rather get kicked in the testicles

Edit:I spelled laser wrong intentionally.

Edited by Shrouded, 02 May 2012 - 12:09 PM.

[Nymh]

I'm not assuming that you don't understand what you said, only that you don't understand what everyone else was talking about.

It is obviously possible for both men and women to experience pain greater than childbirth. No one is disputing that. What is in dispute is who has the greater pain tolerance on average.

The only thing you said to address that point was that every man you've known to have a kidney stone (which is a subjective grouping) passed out when you (again a subjective experience) did not. You're using one completely isolated example as evidence for your position.

....

Sometimes I think you just assume that I don't ever understand what's going on. Maybe I don't word things in the most eloquent or educated manner, I don't know what it is. How is my trying to offer something to compare pain tolerances that both sexes can experience, when others have brought up being kicked in the balls and childbirth, detrimental to the conversation in any way?

And to invalidate my comment about the pain tolerances of people I have known who have had kidney stones as being subjective is kind of silly. All pain is a subjective experience. I'm not basing my entire world view or outlook on the pain tolerances/thresholds of men v. women on my own "subjective" experience with a kidney stone, I was only including that bit because I wanted to mention that I had actually had one.

[Frizzle]

I don't think you understand how constructive arguments work.

[Nymh]

I think the thing that I don't understand is how to withhold my comments from a discussion in which they are obviously unwanted.

Or maybe I just haven't mastered the art of not feeling the need to defend myself when people assume I am ignorant, idk

[Kate]

nymh, it's because you have a vagina.
Therefore anything you say right now will go in one ear, and fly right the fuck out the other one.
EVEN if you are right.

[trizzle]

Pain is a weird thing though. I have had shitty little papercuts that have made me cry but when some douchebag kid was messing around, swinging a luggage rope (those things you tie stuff to car roofracks with) and the metal hooked end split open my cheek from just below my eye to my jaw I did not shed a single tear.

Either way this story still makes me cringe a little.

[Yung]

I wince everytime I see this thread. >.<

Everything about the sensitivity of that particular region of the male anatomy is excruciating when I think about the horrible death involved in this scenario... I for one would never want to go out that way, I'll take freezing to death myself.

[Shrouded]

So you used a sample of you and your friends? Bare in mind, men are generally stronger, smarter, fitter and generally superior in every evolutionary way to women. This is of course in general.

Why would pain tolerance be different?

When estrogen levels are high, the brain's natural painkiller system responds more potently when a painful experience occurs, releasing chemicals called endorphins or enkephalins that dampen the pain signals received by the brain.

Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco, have found that while women may be less tolerant to the sudden onslaught of acute pain, there is no difference between men and women when it comes to dealing with chronic pain.

Research into pain response has produced variable results.




Have a bunch of random quotes. What you should get from this is that it is entirely subjective. There are plenty of people on both sides of the gender line that can take significantly more pain than most. If you ask someone to withstand pain and rate the pain it will be entirely subjective on what they have experienced before.

[Yung]

Pain is a weird thing though. I have had shitty little papercuts that have made me cry but when some douchebag kid was messing around, swinging a luggage rope (those things you tie stuff to car roofracks with) and the metal hooked end split open my cheek from just below my eye to my jaw I did not shed a single tear.

Either way this story still makes me cringe a little.

Different nerves are also more sensitive. That is why many diabetics prefer drawing blood from their arms rather than their finger tips. The nerves in the fingers are much more sensitive than those in the arms.

Normally speaking cheeks are fairly sensitive however there are other factors such as but not limited to: genetics that lower nerve sensitivity, frequent touching of that particular area will lower nerve response, diseases/viruses, and things such as diet have even been found to affect nerve sensitivity.

[trizzle]

Different nerves are also more sensitive. That is why many diabetics prefer drawing blood from their arms rather than their finger tips. The nerves in the fingers are much more sensitive than those in the arms.

Normally speaking cheeks are fairly sensitive however there are other factors such as but not limited to: genetics that lower nerve sensitivity, frequent touching of that particular area will lower nerve response, diseases/viruses, and things such as diet have even been found to affect nerve sensitivity.

That's really interesting ^-^ I want to be a doctor so I eat up all sorts of medical knowledge and pain is an especially interesting area because it's so crucial.

Personally I think what happened in that situation was the shock of it prevented me for feeling what I have been assured would have been excruciating pain. If anyone's interested this is a really interesting documentary about pain:

Spoiler

In it there's the story of a trapped man who was able to saw through his own arm without anaesthetics because he had unless he wanted to starve to death.

[redlion]

"when a better comparison would be something that both sexes can go through (and happens to be even more painful)."

^We agree on this. What we don't agree on, is that your experience with a few guys that have passed out and your own ability to not pass out from kidney stone pain is in any way scientific proof of your premise.

How is my trying to offer something to compare pain tolerances that both sexes can experience, when others have brought up being kicked in the balls and childbirth, detrimental to the conversation in any way?

You're rephrasing my initial statement. I never said it was detrimental to the conversation, I said that it was not proof of your argument. The two are entirely different concepts. If you want to say something and accept that it is an opinion, by all means say it. But if you want people to recognize you as correct and factual, then your argument had better logically lead to the conclusion you draw. This is where

I don't think you understand how constructive arguments work.

^This comes in.

And to invalidate my comment about the pain tolerances of people I have known who have had kidney stones as being subjective is kind of silly. All pain is a subjective experience. I'm not basing my entire world view or outlook on the pain tolerances/thresholds of men v. women on my own "subjective" experience with a kidney stone, I was only including that bit because I wanted to mention that I had actually had one.

The people you have known are not a scientific, clinical study of pain. Testimonial evidence is not accepted as credible in science.

And who cares if you've had a kidney stone? I've been stabbed - that was horribly painful. But it has no bearing on whether or not men or women have higher pain tolerances, nor do your experiences with kidney stones.

nymh, it's because you have a vagina.
Therefore anything you say right now will go in one ear, and fly right the fuck out the other one.
EVEN if you are right.

Rush to the woman's defense. Don't make your own argument though, it's all about picking teams.

Have a bunch of random quotes. What you should get from this is that it is entirely subjective. There are plenty of people on both sides of the gender line that can take significantly more pain than most. If you ask someone to withstand pain and rate the pain it will be entirely subjective on what they have experienced before.

Sort of correct. Yes pain is subjective, but there are ways of measuring pain tolerance that can quantify pain in a meaningful way. For instance, have the subject submerge their hands in ice water and wait for them to take them out. Time them. This can be used to generate statistical evidence of pain tolerance.

What you're saying about "rating" pain is of course correct, subjects cannot be trusted to be objective with their ratings. That's why rating systems are rarely used for pain tolerance testing. It is more common, rather, to use impartial methods like timing the subject, or number of volts for electro therapy, or number of needles for acupuncturists - whatever the case may be.

[Nymh]

I am not quoting because I am on my phone

I never said that my personal experience was scientific evidence. I am not an idiot.

So let me kindergarten clarify myself, since apparently I can't comment on an issue without writing out pages of supporting evidence on why I said what I said or if I believe it to be scientific fact or subjective opinion. I believe that women have a higher tolerance for pain than men. I didn't bother to look up scientific studies (which no one had cited so far in the discussion anyway, which except for one post of yours about needles and ice water studies until this point was entirely subjective) but instead offered a personal experience that I have had. Instead of pointing out that I don't understand the conversation (which I do) or do not know how to form constructive arguments (which I do, I just don't give enough shits to in this instance), you could have just ignored it like you had everyone else's [subjective and unscientific] posts except for Frizzle's until people started posting in my favor.

ETA: also, for someone who is so critical and demands so much clarification from others, you make an awful lot of assumptions about what people mean or what they understand. I don't care to construct a valid argument because it was not my intent to argue anything to begin with. I was not offering my personal experience as evidence for anything, simply as a story about a personal experience. Let's jump Trizzle's ass about her paper cut story since it has nothing to do with what you have defined as the scope of this discussion either

[Shrouded]

http://abcnews.go.co...=1#.T6HPAOtYu-g

[cornymikey]

Can you really die just from internal bleeding? I would think that it'd be no worse than a gash on your arm or something. Holy crap, that's terrible.

[Yung]

Can you really die just from internal bleeding?

Yes. Happens all the time.

I would think that it'd be no worse than a gash on your arm or something. Holy crap, that's terrible.

Considering that the penis is a main artery for males... bleeding out internally is quite possible.

[punkrockbigmouth]

This conversation reminds me of this one time I was working at the prescription drop off window, and this guy came up all hunched over. He barked at me that he needed this medication RIGHT NOW because he was passing kidney stones and BWAAAAAHHHHHHHH. His face turned red, he began sweating, and I was really afraid he'd take a giant crap on the floor. I urged him gently to go have a seat in the waiting area, and we worked on his prescription. It took maybe 7 minutes to fill it and the entire time he was screaming over there. I mean, this guy was really suffering.
And I could not stop laughing.

[Noitidart]

Wow unbelievable.

This reminds of this gif where this asian girl repeatedly punches the guy in the balls and he ejaculates on each impact.

I can understand that. I don't know if it's just cuz my balls are small but when I get hit it hurts but it's like not a bad hurt.
When punk and i get married im going to make her punch my balls. I'll make sure to provide the gif.

Can you really die just from internal bleeding? I would think that it'd be no worse than a gash on your arm or something. Holy crap, that's terrible.

Internal bleeding can definitely kill you. That's why bruises scare me.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97662&page=1#.T6HPAOtYu-g

Yeah I've heard this too. No debate.

[punkrockbigmouth]

I can understand that. I don't know if it's just cuz my balls are small but when I get hit it hurts but it's like not a bad hurt.
When punk and i get married im going to make her punch my balls. I'll make sure to provide the gif.

That is... the most romantic and appealing thing you've ever said to me.