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#1 ShadowLink64

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:44 AM

Hi everyone,

I want to make this announcement to clear up the best ways to contact staff about various board issues and what our respective roles are on the site. This has been a huge problem for us lately, as many inquiries are not being dealt with efficiently as a result of them not reaching the right people.

These are the staff on the board that you can contact about various issues: http://www.neocodex....-current-staff/. There are moderators, programmers, and administrators. Each have their own special importance on the site. :p

As you can see, we have a moderating staff of four people (five if you include Waser Lave, who handles certain moderation tasks like scamming investigations). They volunteer their time to enforce the forum's rules, positively enhance the community for everyone, and answer general inquiries about the site.

Because we have a team who is dedicated to this, administrators who receive requests to investigate specific board rule violation/conflicts will delegate this to the moderation team by creating a report ticket. This creates a discussion area about the report, that all staff are free to comment on and build consensus to take a specific action on the report. Administrators rarely decide on their own what to do about a board violation, so directly PMing me about something is not always best action to take if you want something dealt with quickly, unless it's a very blatant violation like someone spamming lots of porn or something.

If you have any rule violations to report, please push the "Report" link on the post you want to report. This will automatically make a report ticket and discussion area where we will discuss the issue. It will save me some time moving the issue down to the moderators.

What you should PM me (and Pyro) directly about though is:
  • If you have any issues with the moderating that's been happening, or if you are dissatisfied with the action performed on your report. We act as the supervisors for the moderating team and if any issues arise with them, we need to know about it.
  • Any problems with ranks, or permissions, or payment issues.
  • Since we act as programmers as well, technical issues with the programs -- though these I have been leaving unread as a reminder to look into them as soon as I can, so don't take it personally if you don't receive a response immediately
  • Website emergencies
DO NOT PM me or Pyro about how to make lots of NP, or how to use the programs. That is what the forum is for. If you have a general inquiry about the site, ask a moderator. If they need to ask admins for further information about it, or bump the inquiry up to us, they will.

Over the last couple years, Neocodex has grown a ton. I would love to be able to deal with everything, but if I have to put too much energy into other issues than the ones I should be dealing with, the entire site suffers as a result because the stuff admins are supposed to be doing just doesn't get done. Sometimes, I dislike checking my PMs because I know that it will be full of stuff that I have no interest in looking into, and I know that my backlog of ~20 unread PMs is not getting any smaller. The phrase for this is "feeling burnt out". ;)

Thanks!

#2 Scot

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:47 AM

DO NOT PM me or Pyro about how to make lots of NP, or how to use the programs. That is what the forum is for.

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#3 Nymh

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:50 AM

Hooray! I am so proud :D

#4 Drakonid

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 01:27 PM

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yeah, you're asking for it...

#5 idontknow951

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 03:15 PM

Do you guys plan on ever going open source? There are a lot of buggy apps that I've run into that I think are pretty easy fixes but since the python is encrypted I can't change it.

#6 ShadowLink64

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 03:25 PM

Do you guys plan on ever going open source? There are a lot of buggy apps that I've run into that I think are pretty easy fixes but since the python is encrypted I can't change it.

We're working on a new Program Manager right now, so we're not sure whether to repair our old stuff, or just wait until the new PM is completed and then fix the problems as we port the programs over to the new system.

The new Program Manager, depending on how we do stuff, may allow the public to suggest bug fixes if we publish the code online for people to see (since you'll be able to test out the program code yourself in the PM environment). This is one of the parts we have yet to iron out still.

The central distributing system for our programs will be managed by us though, just for security reasons.

#7 iargue

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 03:27 PM

We're working on a new Program Manager right now, so we're not sure whether to repair our old stuff, or just wait until the new PM is completed and then fix the problems as we port the programs over to the new system.

The new Program Manager, depending on how we do stuff, may allow programmers to suggest bug fixes if we publish the code online for people to see. The central distributing system for our programs will be managed by us though, just for security reasons.


Unless your in the final stages of development (Meaning a release in a month) I would say it would be better to repair the current ones (Even if its just workarounds). while you're repairing it, you can also prep it for moving over to the new system?

#8 ShadowLink64

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 03:30 PM

Unless your in the final stages of development (Meaning a release in a month) I would say it would be better to repair the current ones (Even if its just workarounds). while you're repairing it, you can also prep it for moving over to the new system?

That's sort of what we're doing. In the process of fixing some bugs, we're modularizing some of the code so that it will be easier to move over when the time comes.

#9 L33T

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 04:24 PM

Not that TNT would probably care, but on the off chance they do they could probably discern codexians and people using Neocodex programs more easily than they could just using them and testing them themselves if you guys were to release open source code.

If they even give a shit.

Edited by L33T, 14 July 2012 - 04:24 PM.


#10 Waser Lave

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 04:32 PM

Not that TNT would probably care, but on the off chance they do they could probably discern codexians and people using Neocodex programs more easily than they could just using them and testing them themselves if you guys were to release open source code.

If they even give a shit.


Not really, it's pretty obvious how the programs work so it wouldn't make it any easier for them to find people.

#11 ShadowLink64

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 04:40 PM

Not that TNT would probably care, but on the off chance they do they could probably discern codexians and people using Neocodex programs more easily than they could just using them and testing them themselves if you guys were to release open source code.

If they even give a shit.

Yeah, or if TNT were to impersonate some key Neocodex members to try and gain information, that would be really bad too. Amirite Waser? :p

#12 Waser Lave

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 04:50 PM

Yeah, or if TNT were to impersonate some key Neocodex members to try and gain information, that would be really bad too. Amirite Waser? :p


I see what you did there.

#13 Ivysaur

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 05:09 PM

Do you guys plan on ever going open source? There are a lot of buggy apps that I've run into that I think are pretty easy fixes but since the python is encrypted I can't change it.


The central distributing system for our programs will be managed by us though, just for security reasons.



Isn't likely that someone will steal your code and claim it as their own?
What safeguards do you guys have in place to prevent that if you indeed go Open Source?
Won't that decrease the amount of traffic we get here because of the programs?

I mean Abrosia is superior to all the other ABers out there.

#14 Yung

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 05:27 PM

Even if it was mainly open source they would still need to either have their own item database or a way to make calls to our item database. I'm sure that we have safeguards in place there amongst other locations within the PM and Abrosia.

#15 Senrath

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 05:40 PM

They can always only open up part of the source as well. No one says that they have to make every program open source if they make one of them.

#16 Hawkheart

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:25 PM

Not that TNT would probably care, but on the off chance they do they could probably discern codexians and people using Neocodex programs more easily than they could just using them and testing them themselves if you guys were to release open source code.

If they even give a shit.

I still think Python has a pretty huge security issue... I've seen so many professionally written python apps get cracked/hacked/whatever you want to call it pretty easily.

#17 Waser Lave

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:44 AM

I still think Python has a pretty huge security issue... I've seen so many professionally written python apps get cracked/hacked/whatever you want to call it pretty easily.


That's because Python is inherently open-source really, if you want to create a secure application you wouldn't choose Python for it.

#18 iargue

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:50 AM

I still think Python has a pretty huge security issue... I've seen so many professionally written python apps get cracked/hacked/whatever you want to call it pretty easily.


I've seen everything ever invented get cracked/hacked pretty easily. I see companies spend millions on copy protecting a game, and ruining the customers experience in the process, simply to protect a game that is hacked the day that it comes out. I've yet to see a game that offers an offline experience not be cracked, and I doubt that I will ever see it. Attempting to protect your work from absolutely being hacked is impossible, and plain stupid.

The law simply requires that you attempt to protect it for you to have a legal lawsuit, and so that is all that Neocodex does. by encryption the project, anyone that takes the work, is violating the copyright law and is subject to any punishment that neocodex wishes to dish out. This prevents both other sites from stealing neocodex's work, and prevents neopets from opening up the program and figuring out how it works and changing it to catch the cheaters in the act. If neopets were to do this action with us not being an Open Source project, then they will be faced with a lawsuit that can cost them millions for stealing our work (Even if they do not use the work, breaking the encryption is an violation of the Copyright Act). If we moved to an Open Source module, then they could easily read how Abrosia works, change the site so it doesn't work that way, and catch everyone who was using the previous method still. As such, its a huge risk to move to Open Source, rather then staying at a closed source program.

This also helps prevent the argument for Open Sourcing by allowing others to submit programs. If we allow others to submit programs, they could work in the very same nature has the first argument, in which if the source code is provided to others besides staff, Neopets could read the code and act against it, and if we only let the staff see the submitted code, Neopets could impersonate a person and submit a project, then change the website at a later date and catch anyone using that method.

As such, moving to an Open Source program both would allow Neocodex's programs to be stolen, and prevent a huge risk to the sites client base. While it looks great on paper, it would not work out in the way that it was intended to work.

#19 punkrockbigmouth

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:47 AM

Why would anyone want to contact staff?


So we can run to them and snitch on you when you're being a bigger pain in the ass than usual. ;)

#20 HappyAccident

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:56 AM

Anybody know what happened to my rep ability?


http://www.neocodex....2824-valentine/

You've asked this a bunch of times before...

#21 Senrath

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:11 PM

http://www.neocodex....2824-valentine/

You've asked this a bunch of times before...

He's not asking because he doesn't know.

#22 punkrockbigmouth

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:43 PM

Anybody know what happened to my rep ability?


You had it taken away just like a child has a water gun taken away for constantly squirting it at Yung's crotch.


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