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Why is anti-gay behavior seemingly condoned in sports?


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#1 Guest_idonotexist_*

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 05:27 PM

http://sports.nation...-anti-gay-slur/

A close-up photo posted on Twitter by Toronto resident James Greenhalgh shows the words “TU ERE MARICON” — Spanish for “You’re a faggot” — printed in white on the black tape Escobar was wearing below his eyes. The phrase was also visible in a photo that moved to media outlets on Saturday by Getty Images’ wire service.


This is certainly far from an isolated incident within sports in general. There have been countless sports players posting anti-gay comments on twitter / facebook, calling teammates or other individuals faggots, yadda yadda.
I could probably pull together at least 25 articles for this year alone on separate instances of this sort of behavior.

So, what is your take on this sort of stuff?
I'm sure if he were white and had the words "You're a nigger" on his face, he would have lost his job or been suspended immediately.
No questions asked.

Now, I don't care what the man does in his personal life or on his own time. I don't care if he does dislike gay people (for whatever reason).
My opinion is, this crosses the line because he did this intentionally and while he was on the field representing his team, his city, etc.
He did this on purpose, so he would get noticed. Why else would he have done it?

It's stuff like this that hits a nerve with me. You can have your opinions but do you really need to resort to calling people faggots let alone splash it where you know everyone can see it?

So many sports figures have made outrageous statements about gay people, calling people faggots, etc. and nothing happens to them.
Sometimes, they're "maybe" (and that's a BIG maybe) suspended for a few games. Mostly they simply offer a non-apology. But, if they were to make defamatory remarks about black or hispanic people, they would most likely suffer a much harsher penalty.

What's your opinion on stuff like this?

Edited by Gorix, 20 September 2012 - 05:29 PM.


#2 Mew

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 05:34 PM

It should be treated the same as racism as far as punishments go.
It is completely unacceptable.

#3 Guest_idonotexist_*

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 05:39 PM

Here are some articles just for a reference if anyone is interested in some events that have taken place in the past year or so;


http://espn.go.com/s...ers-fc-ball-boy

http://unicornbooty....and-for-faggot/

http://unicornbooty....ally-apologize/

http://unicornbooty....f-gay-marriage/

http://unicornbooty....fck-you-faggot/

http://unicornbooty....e-my-superbowl/

http://unicornbooty....crime-t-shirts/

http://www.queerty.c...-team-20120724/

http://www.queerty.c...words-20120713/

http://www.queerty.c...o-fan-20120627/

http://www.queerty.c...ickly-20120221/

http://www.queerty.c...tural-20111209/

http://www.queerty.c...emmes-20111229/

http://www.queerty.c...-hurt-20111111/

http://www.queerty.c...-slur-20110927/

http://www.queerty.c...s-gay-20110901/

http://www.queerty.c...i-was-20110831/

I could find more but I got bored xD Lol

Edited by Gorix, 20 September 2012 - 05:51 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2012 - 06:17 PM

He did get suspended granted some may consider it a short one. It also really isn't accepted in sports anymore at least not by the higher ups. Kobe getting hit with a 100k fine which albeit isn't a whole lot when we consider the brand that is Kobe Bryant but still.

Edited by Cryptker, 20 September 2012 - 06:18 PM.


#5 Guest_idonotexist_*

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 06:46 PM

Eh I would argue it is. Only two players were fined and many others have went unpunished (see many of the articles I linked)
It may not be accepted per se, but with it happening so frequently and publicly, obviously it is to some extent otherwise people wouldn't feel so comfortable as to write so blatantly "you're a faggot" on their face. I mean that's pretty damn out there and blatant to write it on your face for the entire world to see. Lol

Edited by Gorix, 20 September 2012 - 06:47 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2012 - 06:47 PM

Kind of ashamed that he's a Jays player. Hopefully this won't skew your opinion about the people here in Toronto. We are huge melting pot after all and we embrace everyone here.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 07:00 PM

I don't want no sissy drama in my manly sports. I want my players to beat the blood out of each other, not be passive aggressive house wives with nothing to do but bitch about something that doesn't at all apply to them in retrospect.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 07:59 PM

Because sports culture promotes hyper-masculinity and hyper-masculinity breeds sexism and homophobia. Hyper-masculinity socializes men to see women as nothing but sexual objects, and since they see all women as sexual objects they assume that ALL gay men MUST see ALL men as sexual objects. They can't have a man looking at them in a sexual way, it will somehow in someway by some kind of queer magic hurt their masculinity. So they overcompensate by being super aggressive and vocal about how gays are bad and all these bullshit stereotypes to further prove their fragile concept of masculinity. And if anyone tries to call them out on their bullshit the old boys club will stand behind them and give the old boys will be boys trope because women and gays (who they just see as women equivalents who happen to have penises) just don't understand and therefore have no place in their super manly sports life.

It's vomit inducing.

Edited by Mishelle, 20 September 2012 - 08:00 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2012 - 09:26 PM

I don't want no sissy drama in my manly sports. I want my players to beat the blood out of each other, not be passive aggressive house wives with nothing to do but bitch about something that doesn't at all apply to them in retrospect.


Some gay player/soldiers are just as willing to beat the crap out of the "other side/teams" as hetros. I likely said half the things that Gorix mentioned, likely heard the other half. Then again, I was called a Wood Nig, as the black players were called Nig and the white were called cracker, white trash or short dikkas. Nate was half japanesse, but I don't think anyone knew any insults for Asians back then. Joey Perez was Cuban, but again, we didn't even know we were supposed to have words for Hispanics back then. Somewhat it was a ritual to get angry, to get the blood of pumping. The words were only ok when spoken as friends, as team mates. The same words spoken outside of the field would have gotten people expelled.

Yet you asked the question, why. That is harder to answer. Part of it is such words are meant to hurt, to hurt a boy becoming a man to question his sexuality is one of the strongest insults you can do. That's part of what sports are, showing your strength. If the words hurt, than own them. If pain, weaknes or words hurt, then make it so they don't hurt. Later I would learn better, but not at that age.

Course, I'd been married and widowed by the age, so questioning me sexual identity wasn't such a big deal. Best as I know, now of my team mates were not hetro. Certainly Wyatt in my class came out, but Wyatt was more of a gentle and thought soul, not a sports type. I hope no one insulted Wyatt in those days, as he is a great guy. My groups archivist, reunion organizer. He's the school's professional photographer, donates his time to do pictures for the paper/year book.

Edited by coltom, 20 September 2012 - 10:09 PM.


#10 Sweeney

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 12:42 AM

Traditionally, sportspeople are stupid.

#11 Frizzle

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:51 AM

Traditionally, sportspeople are stupid.


Earn millions, play sports they love, adored the world over, retire in early 30s.

Enjoy working until you're 65 for around 20-25k a year you smart, smart person.

#12 Sweeney

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 02:04 AM

Enjoy working until you're 65 for around 20-25k a year you smart, smart person.


Gladly.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 02:36 AM

Earn millions, play sports they love, adored the world over, retire in early 30s.

Enjoy working until you're 65 for around 20-25k a year you smart, smart person.


I'm not sure about you but I'd much rather work in a relaxed environment than get the shit beaten out of me for a couple of months each year for a good number of years, and have broken arms and legs and get a cauliflower ear and all that nasty stuff >w<

I mean if someone's into physically moving around and getting beat up and pushed around then great! Go natural selection! Unless you're playing golf heheh

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 03:17 AM

Earn millions, play sports they love, adored the world over, retire in early 30s.

Enjoy working until you're 65 for around 20-25k a year you smart, smart person.


Unless you're in american football. And then you're beat into retardation in your early 30's. Whooooo.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 03:22 AM

Unless you're in american football. And then you're beat into retardation in your early 30's. Whooooo.


Even with all the body armour and helmets? O_o

 
As for the thread subject, if that happened in the UK he would almost certainly have been fired for it:

http://www.guardian....t-gareth-thomas

#16 Maeghan

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 03:33 AM

Even with all the body armour and helmets? O_o


http://topics.nytime...ries/index.html
http://www.cleveland...er_lawsuit.html

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 03:48 AM

http://topics.nytime...ries/index.html
http://www.cleveland...er_lawsuit.html


I guess if they're stupid enough to run head-first into each other they probably deserve some concussion. :p

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 03:51 AM

I guess if they're stupid enough to run head-first into each other they probably deserve some concussion. :p


I just think it's funny that it been the last few years where the media has been, "OMGz, slamming your face into a 300 lb man has ill effects on your brain? WHODATHUNKIT?"

#19 Guest_coltom_*

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 05:03 AM

I just think it's funny that it been the last few years where the media has been, "OMGz, slamming your face into a 300 lb man has ill effects on your brain? WHODATHUNKIT?"


Spearing (tackling with the head) was illegal even in my high school days.
The concern was more about neck injuries than we know about TBI, but back then it was realized that it was not a good thing.

However, I suspect that people were homophobic and sexist before we started huddling up and slapping each other on the asses.

Edited by coltom, 21 September 2012 - 05:06 AM.


#20 Josh

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 05:21 AM

I don't have much experience with professional sports, but I do have experience with a male dominated career. While we are underway, behavior like this also seems to be the norm. Then again, we typically have 2 - 3 homosexuals on our crew, and none of them are ever offended by the behavior. So, my initial guess is it might be the same way with sports. Maybe these type of environments condition you to have thick skin (or a pair of balls as my crew would say) and so some people don't realize that their actions might offend people outside of that environment.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 05:40 AM

I don't have much experience with professional sports, but I do have experience with a male dominated career. While we are underway, behavior like this also seems to be the norm. Then again, we typically have 2 - 3 homosexuals on our crew, and none of them are ever offended by the behavior. So, my initial guess is it might be the same way with sports. Maybe these type of environments condition you to have thick skin (or a pair of balls as my crew would say) and so some people don't realize that their actions might offend people outside of that environment.


"Not offended" or "keeping quiet so things don't get worse"...?

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 05:59 AM

I don't have much experience with professional sports, but I do have experience with a male dominated career. While we are underway, behavior like this also seems to be the norm. Then again, we typically have 2 - 3 homosexuals on our crew, and none of them are ever offended by the behavior. So, my initial guess is it might be the same way with sports. Maybe these type of environments condition you to have thick skin (or a pair of balls as my crew would say) and so some people don't realize that their actions might offend people outside of that environment.


Just because someone doesn't speak up doesn't mean that they're not offended. This type of inconsideration for others makes me scowl. Why would you be openly offensive toward someone's gender/orientation/race/whatever while you're in their presence? Especially if you have to work with them every day? I understand that there's a bit of a difference between someone lightheartedly making a reference to a stereotype in jest and someone writing "You're a faggot" on their face.

I'd be willing to bet money that there's at least one homosexual in the Jays. If this player is so "thick-skinned" that he doesn't realize he is likely offending people that he works with, not to mention the television staff present at their games, journalists, people of their home town that they're supposed to be representing, or hundreds of millions of people around the world, then they're a fucking imbecile.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 06:18 AM

Just because someone doesn't speak up doesn't mean that they're not offended. This type of inconsideration for others makes me scowl. Why would you be openly offensive toward someone's gender/orientation/race/whatever while you're in their presence? Especially if you have to work with them every day? I understand that there's a bit of a difference between someone lightheartedly making a reference to a stereotype in jest and someone writing "You're a faggot" on their face.

I'd be willing to bet money that there's at least one homosexual in the Jays. If this player is so "thick-skinned" that he doesn't realize he is likely offending people that he works with, not to mention the television staff present at their games, journalists, people of their home town that they're supposed to be representing, or hundreds of millions of people around the world, then they're a fucking imbecile.


I never said the behavior was acceptable, just trying to give a very real world explanation for why this man did what he did.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 06:19 AM

I never said the behavior was acceptable, just trying to give a very real world explanation for why this man did what he did.


In saying that you participate in this behavior, and assuming that the homosexuals you work with aren't offended, are you not implying that you find it acceptable?

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 06:31 AM

In saying that you participate in this behavior, and assuming that the homosexuals you work with aren't offended, are you not implying that you find it acceptable?


Where in my post did I say i participated in this behavior?


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