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#76 Padme

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 07:18 PM

I don't know if it has been mentioned, I haven't read the entire thread in depth but if you want to understand and have background on the topic. The movie 'The Union' is a great watch. I found it really informative even though its a few years old.

 

I personally have a family friend who smokes weed all the time because without it he can't function because he has MS and it helps his symptoms. He can't even get a whole sentence out if he doesn't have THC in his system. 

 

I am pro legalization. 



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Posted 18 May 2014 - 03:35 AM

First off, Im from Amsterdam so I might be slightly biased :lol: but I am definitely pro legalization.

 

For one, the effects on an individual are far less damaging than alcohol. Alcohol tends to cause aggression, general hyperactivity and loudness, whereas being stoned generally makes people "calm" down, very chill and it doesnt generally evoke aggressive feelings. Not saying that anyone who drinks is immediately aggressive, but they are more prone to outbursts of aggression.

 

Secondly, here in the Netherlands its restricted in a very well manner (altho some Bruxelles ppl instructed us to get stricter with regulations, so its all gonna suck cattitties from now on). Do it at home with your maximum of 3 (or 5? it changed recently so im not sure) marijuana plants or in the coffee shops with supervision. All in enclosed areas. Honestly, theres very little collatoral damage. Even crime rates lower if somethings legalized (even if its just tolarized and not legalized, as is the case in the Netherlands)

 

The only thing I hate about it is the stench. Amsterdam smells pretty disgusting :lol:



#78 Frizzle

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 11:50 AM

God this debate is boring.

#79 Padme

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 02:01 PM

God this debate is boring.

 

Want someone to play devils advocate? I could totally argue for the "omg teh marijuana will kill you. ur brain cellz are gunna xplode & ur lazy if u smoke it 2." 



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Posted 21 May 2014 - 04:16 PM

it should be legal if people aren't retarded. like, if you can smoke weed, and still have a level-headed and semi-successful life, then yeah. 

but if you can't smoke weed while being a rational human being, then nooo.



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Posted 11 November 2015 - 10:28 PM

I don't know the policy on bringing up dead topics, but it can't hurt that much in a dead sub-forum, right? I like debates, and will almost always just pick the side of the less popular base online just to get discussion going. So here I go. Listening to a lecture today made me want to check to see if this topic existed already or not.

Would it change your opinion on the legalization of marijuana (recreational) if you found out when smoked in adolescence/young adulthood, it can cause schizophrenia in later life? Because it can (along with a lot of the harder drugs).



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Posted 11 November 2015 - 10:39 PM

I don't know the policy on bringing up dead topics, but it can't hurt that much in a dead sub-forum, right? I like debates, and will almost always just pick the side of the less popular base online just to get discussion going. So here I go. Listening to a lecture today made me want to check to see if this topic existed already or not.

Would it change your opinion on the legalization of marijuana (recreational) if you found out when smoked in adolescence/young adulthood, it can cause schizophrenia in later life? Because it can (along with a lot of the harder drugs).

 

No because that isn't true.

http://www.schres-jo...0610-5/abstract

 

In fact, it may even be used as an antipsychotic.

http://www.sciencedi...924977X13003325



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Posted 12 November 2015 - 03:27 AM

Well actually, there isn't enough evidence to prove or disprove it either way. There's a link of correlation between high end cannbis use and mental health issues, but there isn't evidence to suggest it "causes" mental problems.

http://www.rcpsych.a.../cannabis.aspx?

"Although most people treated for schizophrenia during the follow-up period did not use cannabis during adolescence, those who did use cannabis heavily (i.e. more than 50
times before the age of 18) were six times more likely to be hospitalised for schizophrenia by the age of 33 than those who had not used cannabis. Moreover, those who had used cannabis more than ten times (but less than 50 times) were three times more likely to be hospitalised for schizophrena."

http://www.nationald.../$File/m684.pdf

For anyone who says there isn't a thing such as cannabis induced psychosis, I suggest you work with mental health teams or law enforcement. It's a small number compared to actual amount of users, but it is prevelant and disruptive.

Also you're article about using cannabis as anti-psychotic only focuses on the use high CBD strains (the chemical formula already present in or body), and wouldn't likely have little or no THC make up (the chemical formula that gets you "high"). It doesn't prove that cannabis doesn't cause/aggravate mental health issues at all.

I'm of the opinion that since legal drugs such as alcohol and alcohol induced dementia ( https://www.alzheime...p?documentID=98), sugar and addiction (https://www.psycholo...r-mental-health), and tobacco and lung cancer. (http://m.jnci.oxford...1/14/1194.short).

To put it simply, if a consenting adult wishes to partake in consumption of a potentially dangerous substance, then that's their prerogative. With juveniles it's slightly different, and yes you probably shouldn't smoke cannabis until you're 25, but then against you probably shouldn't drink, smoke, have kids, gamble or fight in wars either.

Also you're second study doesn't dismiss the link between schizophrenia and cannbis use, rather just states there isn't a correlation between causing schizophrenia itself. It also fails to hi light the link between cannabis and other mental health problems ( depression, anxiety, dementia, bi-polar, dysmthia, psychosis etc)

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:13 AM

Well actually, there isn't enough evidence to prove or disprove it either way. There's a link of correlation between high end cannbis use and mental health issues, but there isn't evidence to suggest it "causes" mental problems.

http://www.rcpsych.a.../cannabis.aspx?

"Although most people treated for schizophrenia during the follow-up period did not use cannabis during adolescence, those who did use cannabis heavily (i.e. more than 50
times before the age of 18) were six times more likely to be hospitalised for schizophrenia by the age of 33 than those who had not used cannabis. Moreover, those who had used cannabis more than ten times (but less than 50 times) were three times more likely to be hospitalised for schizophrena."

http://www.nationald.../$File/m684.pdf

For anyone who says there isn't a thing such as cannabis induced psychosis, I suggest you work with mental health teams or law enforcement. It's a small number compared to actual amount of users, but it is prevelant and disruptive.

Also you're article about using cannabis as anti-psychotic only focuses on the use high CBD strains (the chemical formula already present in or body), and wouldn't likely have little or no THC make up (the chemical formula that gets you "high"). It doesn't prove that cannabis doesn't cause/aggravate mental health issues at all.

I'm of the opinion that since legal drugs such as alcohol and alcohol induced dementia ( https://www.alzheime...p?documentID=98), sugar and addiction (https://www.psycholo...r-mental-health), and tobacco and lung cancer. (http://m.jnci.oxford...1/14/1194.short).

To put it simply, if a consenting adult wishes to partake in consumption of a potentially dangerous substance, then that's their prerogative. With juveniles it's slightly different, and yes you probably shouldn't smoke cannabis until you're 25, but then against you probably shouldn't drink, smoke, have kids, gamble or fight in wars either.

Also you're second study doesn't dismiss the link between schizophrenia and cannbis use, rather just states there isn't a correlation between causing schizophrenia itself. It also fails to hi light the link between cannabis and other mental health problems ( depression, anxiety, dementia, bi-polar, dysmthia, psychosis etc)

Wow, nicely researched! What age would you guys think should be the legal age? 

My only problem with the whole "If someone wants to put them self in this risk, do it" philosophy is that schizophrenics become homeless more than maybe any other demographic in the US, they are uninsured and have a whole hell of a lot of other problems (physiologically and psychologically) that we need to then treat and take care of. But that can be said about pretty much everything: tobacco (number 1 preventable cause of death) obesity and alcohol.



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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:03 AM

Scientifically: 25
Legally: 18
Personally: 16

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 10:24 AM

No because that isn't true.

http://www.schres-jo...0610-5/abstract

 

In fact, it may even be used as an antipsychotic.

http://www.sciencedi...924977X13003325

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24878296

A meta-analysis of multiple (29) peer reviewed papers citing that people using cannabis have a higher schizoid score than control. There tons of papers on pubmed with similar findings. 



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Posted 12 November 2015 - 10:32 AM

I'm indifferent.

For Medical, Yes.

For commercialization, yes, isn't worse than Alcohol and Alcohol it's legal.

For me, I don't care, I don't use it, anyway. I've used one time, nevermore again for my health, so I wouldn't care if it was legalized or not.



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Posted 12 November 2015 - 02:25 PM

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24878296

A meta-analysis of multiple (29) peer reviewed papers citing that people using cannabis have a higher schizoid score than control. There tons of papers on pubmed with similar findings.


Again, these only prove correlation, not causation.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 04:26 PM

Again, these only prove correlation, not causation.

True. But that is as good as we can ethically get. 

 

It is entirely possible that people with predispositions to mental illness are more likely to get addicted to something (pot) and that is why the numbers are higher.



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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:07 PM

I don't have strong feelings about this, but I wouldn't care if it was legal. I just think that we should tax the living shit out of it. I also think tobacco taxes should increase more. Because tobacco use costs tons of money in our country. So each time they buy a pack of cigs, it is like they are paying an extra couple bucks to their future hospital stay.



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Posted 13 November 2015 - 12:19 PM

my thoughts? please and thank you :)

 

but on a serious note, im all for medical legalization. not sure how i feel about recreational even tho i do smoke multiple times daily.

 

personally i have trouble sleeping, terrible body aches, constantly upset stomach and my doctor wished he couldve prescribed me marijuana because it would tackle all of my issues at the time. howeve he said at legslly he coulsnt, and even though he couldnt condone me smoking on my own, he said that it wouldnt have significant medical impacts i just dont udnerstand why or how the government decided to pick two drugs (alcohol and tobacco) and decided that those were ok recreationally, but the othere arent. when in fact alcohol can honestly be far more detrimental than pot or tobacco combined. i just feel like everything is backwards so its hard to navigate how i feel when the house were living in is slanted also im typing on an ipad so excuse my typos



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Posted 06 January 2016 - 04:13 PM

Legalized with an age limit.  18 and up, at the very least.



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Posted 24 February 2016 - 11:51 AM

I think its wrong to legalize it simply because worse substances are already legal. That is a terrible argument.

Don't get me wrong, I am for legalization, but not with that reasoning.

 

I am pro-legalization because I feel that it would help reduce crime rates (people won't be jailed for having it on them) and it will defund crime organizations that supply it. Instead of having dangerous criminals selling it, it could be taxed stores.


I think its wrong to legalize it simply because worse substances are already legal. That is a terrible argument.

Don't get me wrong, I am for legalization, but not with that reasoning.

 

I am pro-legalization because I feel that it would help reduce crime rates (people won't be jailed for having it on them) and it will defund crime organizations that supply it. Instead of having dangerous criminals selling it, it could be taxed stores.



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Posted 26 May 2016 - 02:38 PM

It isn't really something that should even be a debate. It is a plant, it is proven to be helpful, why not legalize it?



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Posted 29 May 2016 - 04:22 PM

Isn't Colorado making so much money off of marijuana taxes? I can't believe why the federal government wouldn't want to capitalize on that opportunity.

 

That and the health effects aren't as bad as cigarettes. Those are the ones that should be illegal. Though tobacco industry lobbies too much so that isn't a realistic option.

 

But yes of course there needs to be an age limit. I would say 21.



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Posted 30 May 2016 - 08:03 AM

If tobacco, cigs, alcohol are legal, then I don't see a problem with Marijuana being legal.



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Posted 30 May 2016 - 08:07 AM

I mean my username should speak for itself 



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Posted 30 May 2016 - 09:52 AM

I don't see what's the whole deal tbh. Weed > booze

 

 

 

Pot baggie?! Pot baggieeeeeee  :wub:


Edited by GetJinxed, 30 May 2016 - 09:52 AM.


#99 cheesecanman

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Posted 30 May 2016 - 10:31 AM

Has their been any study to prove that marijuana is bad for people under the age of 18?



#100 luna194

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Posted 30 May 2016 - 08:43 PM

I've personally never tried weed, but it's been proven to have less harming effects then alcohol, or prescription drugs. It's kind of ridicules that it's still illegal.   





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