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[Frizzle]

Or just comparing generalisations.

[Mishelle]

So one person (who is white) in this thread calls all cops pigs so that makes it ok for him to make a racist joke. That's what I'm getting here. If a cop truly takes issue with being called a pig they can find another goddamn job. I can't take off my fucking flesh. Those mental gymnastics he's trying to go through to justify his ignorant ass assertion is stupid.

[luvsmyncis]

Or just comparing generalisations.

It's not the same. You can always quit your job and become a baker. We're all sort of stuck with our skin color.

[Frizzle]

Why quit your job due to someone else's ignorance?

[Mishelle]

Why quit your job due to someone else's ignorance?

 

Why make a racist joke? 

Edited by Mishelle, 23 August 2014 - 12:59 PM.

[luvsmyncis]

Why quit your job due to someone else's ignorance?

To be free of their ignorance. To get away from them. That's the number 1 reason why I quit my pharmacy job.

 

Can't escape the color of my skin, though. 

[Frizzle]

I don't think it's fair to quit a job that I'm good at and enjoy just because some people think sweeping generalisations are okay?

[luvsmyncis]

I don't think it's fair to quit a job that I'm good at and enjoy just because some people think sweeping generalisations are okay?

 

Yeah it's pretty unfair.

[Mishelle]

I don't think it's fair for someone to make racist jokes for any reason. I guess we all got issues. 

[Nymh]

To be free of their ignorance. To get away from them. That's the number 1 reason why I quit my pharmacy job.

 

Can't escape the color of my skin, though. 

 

You quit?

[luvsmyncis]

You quit?

 

I quit the pharmacy because my co-workers were unbearable. I'm on the sales floor now, with people who actually do their jobs and don't call me a socialist every two seconds. Although my paycheck has gone down, my quality of life has gone way way up.

[Nymh]

I quit the pharmacy because my co-workers were unbearable. I'm on the sales floor now, with people who actually do their jobs and don't call me a socialist every two seconds. Although my paycheck has gone down, my quality of life has gone way way up.

 

Ohhh ok, I knew that already.

[Emily]

No what is weird to me? How calm those people were after that guy was shot and killed. Like, what? If the same dude would have been filming a magic show, he wouldve been screaming bloody murder. 

 

This is extremely tactless. 

 

When is? But seriously, this vine gets me every time.

 

Then why is it ok to generalize all cops as disgusting pigs? The one cop saying "I kill everyone, I don't discriminate" could be called a pig, but not all of them.

 

It's wrong to generalize all cops but it is also wrong to make light of a serious topic by posting something so insensitive. 

 

There are good cops and sometimes there are shitty ones. The same way that there are good people and then sometimes shitty ones. The shitty people don't take away from the fact that there are still good ones out there. The problem is, we hardly get to see the good cops on the news. We see the bad things happening and the sometimes bad people connected to them. This story is agenda setting and priming at its finest. The media realizes how much publicity the Ferguson case is getting so they put another story where another person gets shot by police into the forefront. It's for ratings. Yes, it is horrible that someone had to die, but I honestly believe that they did what they had to do to eliminate the danger to their own lives. 

[Chris12312]

They hand cuffed a dead body? This fake? I hope it is................

[talbs]

They hand cuffed a dead body? This fake? I hope it is................

 

It's real but I assume it's because he had yet to be "pronounced" deceased. Even after taking 6-9 shots or however many to the chest, he was still moving around on the pavement for a brief period of time.

Edited by talbs, 25 August 2014 - 12:07 PM.

[Hawk]

Jesus fucking Christ this is going to be a long one to reply to.  A few of you are out of your god-damned minds and need a fucking education, bad.

 

 

TL:DR: you're wrong.

You're right that they're wrong.

 

For god sake, you can tell straight away you've never been in a high adrenaline rushed scenario like the above.

They dost kill him over some bagels or whatever, they shot him in self defence. They shot him because he ran towards them with a knife. What would you do in that scenario?

Tasers aren't 100% effective and there is a possibility that the barbs don't hit, or the volts aren't effective. Now I know officers are trained to shoot but hitting a moving target in a tiny area (I.E a leg compared to the torso) isn't always possible.

On top of that, shooting someone in the leg doesn't not always put the subject down, and if it doesn't, you have two dead officers. Even I know, someone with no firearms training, you DO NOT let anyone who is carrying a blade within a few feet of you. It can go very wrong, very fast.

I don't see what having a few officers (first time I've seen the word few to describe two) on scene has to do with anything. Having more than one person there won't stop a blade going into your chest or throat.

I'm not surprised my rational behind my thoughts scare you. Logical thinking scares and hinders the ignorant.

You've obviously never heard of suicide by cop techniques. It's not a surprise really.

They shot him over self defense when he continued to advance on them, disobey orders, and apparently wield a knife.  At 21 feet the assailant is within range to cause bodily harm to the officer before they have any chance of being dropped (if no weapons are drawn).  If weapons are drawn that range is less, but the odds of instantly dropping the assailant do not go to zero.

 

1) Police should be trained to keep a clear head in a 'high adrenaline rushed scenario'.

2) Sure, tasers aren't 100% reliable (is anything?), but there were multiple officers- without a doubt enough of them to get the man down without killing him.

3) Claiming this guy was attempting suicide through the use of cops once again doesn't justify their behaviour.

1) They did.  The assailant was non-compliant.

2) If I put you on the street with an armed man walking towards you with a weapon, and you have the option of a gun, taser, or bear spray, what would you choose and why?

3) If the man wanted suicide by cop it justifies the cops' behavior, because who knows what would have happened if they didn't pull the trigger.  He wanted to die, but what if the sick son of a bitch wanted to take someone with him?  I firmly believe in rehabilitating those who suffer from depression and plenty of other mental illnesses, but when it comes down to people's lives on the line, especially innocent people (Police), then you're damn right the assailant should be shot.

 

That's deflection Cronus. Address my point directly instead of insulting me.

And how can you tell if a man is "mentally ill" by looking at him? How do you tell if someone is high by looking at them? 

These cops did what their training taught them to do if they believed their lives, the lives of their partners, or the lives of civilians were in immediate danger.

The voltage contained in 2 tasers is likely enough to stop a heart (that is getting tased by 2 tasers at the same time).

If they had tased him and he died, you'd still be making this thread expect the title would read "Cops tase man to death".

You are right.

 

You have never used a taser, stop bringing that up. It is not 100% effective and especially at such a short distance.

Yes, officers are trained to deal with these scenarios and they did just that. They acted responsibly, professionally and did a damn good job of protecting themselves and others.

If you knew about suicide by cop incidents, you'll know that people will attack and try and kill cops so that they'll be shot. This would obviously be going through their heads when they make that decision.

If you're American, I suggest you buy a long range taser and try it out on someone a few times. Minimise the distance each time and see if it's as effective. Come back with your results.

To be fair, there's probably enough voltage in an iphone to kill someone. It's not the volts that kill someone's, it's the amps.

Tasers really only cause fatalities on people with heart defects or when their head hits the ground. Although these are very rare and in between (still a better alternative than a baton though).

You are right.  I'd also suggest to OP and other opponents of the police's lethal action to research the Tueller Drill.

 

You post ignorant statements, I will call you out on them.

You know nothing about firearms, tasers, high adrenaline situations, law enforcement, protocols, tactics, suicide techniques, mental health issues and so forth.

I suggest you gain a copious amount of knowledge in these areas or at least research them academically before becoming emotional and angry at situations you can't fully comprehend.

Thank God there is some asshole on this forum still willing to call out complete dumbasses.

 

He didn't get shot for stealing. He got shot for failing to comply with orders, thus endangering the lives of two men. You can defend him or anyone else all day. I mean it's relatively simple stuff. If I leave work today and am stopped by law enforcement with guns drawn and am told to stop, or be shot, I'll take the former. It doesn't have to be a matter of what's right or wrong. If you want to be gunned down for the sake of proving someone took their job a little too seriously on a given day, then be my guest. What's to say the other posters aren't right. If he had mental issues, maybe suicide by cop was something he had in mind.

You are right.

 

Were there other options open to the officers at the time to defuse the situation without resorting to lethal force? Perhaps. Would those other options guarantee to stop the person? Possibly not. At the end of the day the police officers are still human and they're trained to respond to volatile and dangerous situations (such as somebody threatening people with a knife in a public place) with deadly force if they deem it necessary. When people are put in that kind of situation where they have to make a split-second decision they're more than likely going to choose the option which has the best chance of stopping the threat and prioritises the safety of themselves and the public over the safety of an erratic person waving a knife around. They aren't superheroes, they're just regular people doing a dangerous job who, at the end of their shift, want to be able to go home and see their families so I don't see why some people expect them to do everything perfectly...

Why the hell do you always have to be the voice of reason?  (You're right)

 

Reasons their actions were justified:

#1: Man (appearing unstable) is advancing towards them with no intention to stop with a DEADLY WEAPON

#2: Given the incidents that have been occurring recently with law enforcement, and the fact that Ferguson is only 20 minutes away from St. Louis, they had good reason to be fearful. This man could have wanted retribution against police for what he might have thought were hate crimes, wanting to punish these cops or cause them harm.

 

If you were in their shoes, given recent events, and a man was coming at you with a knife, I think you would act in self defense as well. It's not an easy situation to be in, and they made the call they thought best to protect themselves and others. Also, I think taser/pepper spray is used more in situations where the assailant is unarmed, but dangerous. This man was armed, and was dealt with accordingly. Not to say that this isn't very sad, and I wish things like this wouldn't happen, but I think this is one of those times where you cannot blame the police.

You are right.

 

Just bear in mind that within 8-9 feet, a knife is just as deadly as a gun.

If someone lunges and you miss your shot, it's too late to get them in your sights and fire again.

Try 21 feet from a charging assailant and a holstered gun on the police.  That's also under the assumption the first shot drops the assailant.  (You never fucking aim for the leg, whoever said that earlier.  That's fucking retarded.)

[Galadriel]

Jesus fucking Christ this is going to be a long one to reply to.  A few of you are out of your god-damned minds and need a fucking education, bad.

 

 

You're right that they're wrong.

 

They shot him over self defense when he continued to advance on them, disobey orders, and apparently wield a knife.  At 21 feet the assailant is within range to cause bodily harm to the officer before they have any chance of being dropped (if no weapons are drawn).  If weapons are drawn that range is less, but the odds of instantly dropping the assailant do not go to zero.

 

1) They did.  The assailant was non-compliant.

2) If I put you on the street with an armed man walking towards you with a weapon, and you have the option of a gun, taser, or bear spray, what would you choose and why?

3) If the man wanted suicide by cop it justifies the cops' behavior, because who knows what would have happened if they didn't pull the trigger.  He wanted to die, but what if the sick son of a bitch wanted to take someone with him?  I firmly believe in rehabilitating those who suffer from depression and plenty of other mental illnesses, but when it comes down to people's lives on the line, especially innocent people (Police), then you're damn right the assailant should be shot.

 

You are right.

 

You are right.  I'd also suggest to OP and other opponents of the police's lethal action to research the Tueller Drill.

 

Thank God there is some asshole on this forum still willing to call out complete dumbasses.

 

You are right.

 

Why the hell do you always have to be the voice of reason?  (You're right)

 

You are right.

 

Try 21 feet from a charging assailant and a holstered gun on the police.  That's also under the assumption the first shot drops the assailant.  (You never fucking aim for the leg, whoever said that earlier.  That's fucking retarded.)

 

Thank you for a post which adds nothing of value to this discussion. Any person can reply with completely unsubstantiated opinions of what is right/wrong. Usually such opinions are worthless.

[Waser Lave]

Thank you for a post which adds nothing of value to this discussion. Any person can reply with completely unsubstantiated opinions of what is right/wrong. Usually such opinions are worthless.

 

He was right though.

[Frizzle]

Thank you for a post which adds nothing of value to this discussion. Any person can reply with completely unsubstantiated opinions of what is right/wrong. Usually such opinions are worthless.

Does anyone else the huge irony in this post?

[Hawk]

Thank you for a post which adds nothing of value to this discussion. Any person can reply with completely unsubstantiated opinions of what is right/wrong. Usually such opinions are worthless.

Did you do the suggested reading?

 

I'll be nice and save you the work of highlighting the words I asked you to research, right clicking, searching it on Google, and clicking the top link. Please read: http://en.wikipedia....i/Tueller_Drill

 

My "opinion" is at least factually backed, so I'd rather call that my "argument".  I'm of the opinion you're retarded, but I don't have the facts yet to make a full fledged argument.  Would you like to continue?