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#26 DonValentino

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:15 PM

I think there was one comment about the swearing, not really the issue here.



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:18 PM

Swearing was simply the means of delivering the message of feminism. We are debating the message of feminism. Nothing off topic here.



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:20 PM

Swearing was simply the means of delivering the message of feminism. We are debating the message of feminism. Nothing off topic here.

I didn't say anything was off topic. I was literally asking what the main topic was before I bothered responding with an argument.
The title of the thread implies it is about the girls swearing, then he shared a video, and in his OP said he felt the video was distasteful. So naturally I thought that was the topic of discussion. I don't see why there's a problem with me simply asking before I make an argument.



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:27 PM

I didn't say anything was off topic. I was literally asking what the main topic was before I bothered responding with an argument.
The title of the thread implies it is about the girls swearing, then he shared a video, and in his OP said he felt the video was distasteful. So naturally I thought that was the topic of discussion. I don't see why there's a problem with me simply asking before I make an argument.

Apologies, I thought you were trying to get us back on topic or something. There's nothing wrong with asking about the main topic before making an argument :p



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:28 PM

Apologies, I thought you were trying to get us back on topic or something. There's nothing wrong with asking about the main topic before making an argument :p

I didn't want to turn the thread into a cluster-fuck by switching the subject on you guys, that's all. I wasn't sure what the dominant subject is. 



#31 DonValentino

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:36 PM

If you want to talk about the swearing, feel free. Just because it isn't the main topic of discussion doesn't mean we can't discuss it :)



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:44 PM

If you want to talk about the swearing, feel free. Just because it isn't the main topic of discussion doesn't mean we can't discuss it :)

Then I shall, tomorrow when I can re-watch the video.



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 02:28 AM



What do you think is load of bs? The fact that women don't have the same rights as men?
I spent almost a fucking decade of my life being a military/in the police force, doing exactly the fucking same job as my comrades, and yet I never earned the same as they did. Ridiculous enough, my husband, who at the time was a fucking rank below me was earning more than me when we met.
I faced the fucking same dangers as all the other guys, I worked even more just because I'm a woman and I had to prove every fucking day I deserve to be there as much as anyone else. For some, I was a pair of walking fucking boobs carrying a weapon, needless to say I heard a lot of jokes, and not all of them came from people outside the force.

I'm not a feminist, buy I get seriously pissed off when people say women don't have reasons to fight for equality.

Ask your friends/family/random people in the street, you'll find examples of women getting underpaid/discriminated for having a fucking vagina, real quick.

A couple of months ago, it was all over the news that some Portuguese companies were making their female employees sign a "contract" of something like that stating they will not get pregnant in the next 5 years... There's your fucking sexual equality.


Now, where's that fucking swear jar?


If you believe in equality between genders, you are by definition a feminist.

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 06:26 AM

 Men are more likely to work a 40 hour week, men are more likely to take on higher paying jobs in the work force, and men typically have more experience than women because women may have to take time off for a child or other reasons

 

Can you, please, tell me what "other reasons" are those you were refering to? I'd really like to know.

 

 

 

One final note, men commonly major in higher payer fields than women. 

 

Did you know that women are allowed to go to university nowadays? Some of them even go after giving birth.

There are women in every profession, with the same qualifications and experience and yet, they are earning less than their male co-workers. This is not something invented, it's a fact, and it can be proven at any time if you ask people without the need of reading any field study.

 

I was one rank above my partner, I was getting less money, I was working more than he was (and forget the 40hours/week talk, that is "load of bs"), and yet we had the same employer, the Government, who was supposed to be above all suspicious when it comes to gender equality.

 

And this happens everywhere. Why is my sister in law earning less than my brother when they both work in a insurance company, for the same boss, in the same field, in the same team, doing the exactly same work 65 hours a week? They both have the same qualification. The child she has is the same that he has. When the kid needs to go to the doctor, they both go. Where's the reasonable explanation for that?



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 06:59 AM

They both have the same qualification. 

 

 

the same degree isn't necessarily the same qualification. Would you care to explain how they have EXACTLY the same qualification



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 07:10 AM

Can you, please, tell me what "other reasons" are those you were refering to? I'd really like to know.

 

 

 

 

Did you know that women are allowed to go to university nowadays? Some of them even go after giving birth.

There are women in every profession, with the same qualifications and experience and yet, they are earning less than their male co-workers. This is not something invented, it's a fact, and it can be proven at any time if you ask people without the need of reading any field study.

 

I was one rank above my partner, I was getting less money, I was working more than he was (and forget the 40hours/week talk, that is "load of bs"), and yet we had the same employer, the Government, who was supposed to be above all suspicious when it comes to gender equality.

 

And this happens everywhere. Why is my sister in law earning less than my brother when they both work in a insurance company, for the same boss, in the same field, in the same team, doing the exactly same work 65 hours a week? They both have the same qualification. The child she has is the same that he has. When the kid needs to go to the doctor, they both go. Where's the reasonable explanation for that?

Yes, women can go to pretty much any school and major in anything, but that doesn't mean they do. What is the gender percentage in engineering across the country? It is still overwhelmingly male. MDs are starting to become more female, but still isn't  50/50. Also, oftentimes people get paid (you are welcome @napiform) based on something called commission, which is likely the pay discrepancy with your brother. And you and your husband do what exactly? Because I would be shocked if you could carry the same amount of gear, and drag a 250lb dude who is injured out of battle with the same ease that he does. For female firefighters and policewomen, there is an easier physical test/requirements/whatever to join the force. If women can't do the same job men do, they shouldn't get paid the same. Men and women are built differently. That is ok. Also, don't have time to find it now, but I watched a video on Princeton economist describing the wage differences. He said once you take out the experience differences, schooling difference etc, the difference in pay was 1% which was within the margin of error. 

 

EDIT: I briefly looked for it, and after a minute I don't think it was princeton. I will try to find it later.


Edited by Kaddict, 23 October 2014 - 07:12 AM.


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Posted 23 October 2014 - 07:58 AM

Can you, please, tell me what "other reasons" are those you were refering to? I'd really like to know.

periods. they're vicious and women are fragile flowers that can't manage them once a month and have to lay up

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 10:04 AM

periods. they're vicious and women are fragile flowers that can't manage them once a month and have to lay up

 

Damn it. How I wish to be one of those women who actually suffer for being menstruated. If it wasn't for the tampons inside my vagina I wouldn't even notice it.

 

 

 

They both have the same qualification. 

 

 

the same degree isn't necessarily the same qualification. Would you care to explain how they have EXACTLY the same qualification

 

They have the exact same qualifications because their school/professional path that lead them there was exactly the same. They were hired in the same time, they had to attend the same trainee programm, whatever...

Wait, that's not entirely true, actually, my brother had to repeat a couple of classes in highschool due to personal problems. That would make him less qualified than my sister in law? If so, why is he earning more?

 

I'm still waiting to know what "other reasons" are those. :/

 

 

 

Also, oftentimes people get paid (you are welcome @napiform) based on something called commission, which is likely the pay discrepancy with your brother. 

No.

 

 

And you and your husband do what exactly? Because I would be shocked if you could carry the same amount of gear, and drag a 250lb dude who is injured out of battle with the same ease that he does. For female firefighters and policewomen, there is an easier physical test/requirements/whatever to join the force. If women can't do the same job men do, they shouldn't get paid the same. Men and women are built differently. 

 

In this case, you'll just have to believe my word when I say I can drag a 250lb dude, despite my C cup breasts. And it's not easy for any one, woman or man, not only for gear we carry or the injuries we have take care.

And, I can't speak for other countries, but here anyone that wants to join any kind of "force" is obligated to hard physical/psychological tests, independently of their gender. Besides, I wouldn't be there if I hadn't pass it with success. That alone should be enough for qualify me and level me with my comrades and not the fact that I don't have a penis.

 

Wait... "For female firefighters and policewomen"? So men don't have to do it? Making a women take such tests and not make men doing it also it's discriminating too, no? O_o

 

 

 

 

If you believe in equality between genders, you are by definition a feminist.

 

Yeah, I don't agree with the meaning of the term "feminist". I'm not defending equality because I'm a woman, I do it because I'm human.



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 10:10 AM

I would like to point out that men have the right to a paternity leave absence as well. But did anyone asked them to sign a contract stating they will not get their partner knocked out?

 

Knocked out hehehe.



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 10:13 AM

Because I would be shocked if you could carry the same amount of gear, and drag a 250lb dude who is injured out of battle with the same ease that he does. For female firefighters and policewomen, there is an easier physical test/requirements/whatever to join the force. If women can't do the same job men do, they shouldn't get paid the same. Men and women are built differently. That is ok. Also, don't have time to find it now, but I watched a video on Princeton economist describing the wage differences. He said once you take out the experience differences, schooling difference etc, the difference in pay was 1% which was within the margin of error. 

Could you point me to where firefighters and other high-strength jobs come into the post you replied to? Because that's one hell of an assumption for the sake of making an argument.



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 10:14 AM

Knocked out hehehe.

 

Ah, yes. I suspect the right term is "knocked up".

My english is quite bad.

Horrible.



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 10:35 AM

So you are telling me you both had the same college GPA? Same activities? Same prior work experiences? It's hard to say specifically what your employer looked into. If you can somehow justify that you're quite literally the same person, then i'll believe you. But you both certainly did not lead the same lives to get to where you're at... so you can't prove that you are making less simply because you're a girl



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 10:53 AM

Damn it. How I wish to be one of those women who actually suffer for being menstruated. If it wasn't for the tampons inside my vagina I wouldn't even notice it.

 

 

 

 

They have the exact same qualifications because their school/professional path that lead them there was exactly the same. They were hired in the same time, they had to attend the same trainee programm, whatever...

Wait, that's not entirely true, actually, my brother had to repeat a couple of classes in highschool due to personal problems. That would make him less qualified than my sister in law? If so, why is he earning more?

 

I'm still waiting to know what "other reasons" are those. :/

 

 

 

No.

 

 

 

In this case, you'll just have to believe my word when I say I can drag a 250lb dude, despite my C cup breasts. And it's not easy for any one, woman or man, not only for gear we carry or the injuries we have take care.

And, I can't speak for other countries, but here anyone that wants to join any kind of "force" is obligated to hard physical/psychological tests, independently of their gender. Besides, I wouldn't be there if I hadn't pass it with success. That alone should be enough for qualify me and level me with my comrades and not the fact that I don't have a penis.

 

Wait... "For female firefighters and policewomen"? So men don't have to do it? Making a women take such tests and not make men doing it also it's discriminating too, no? O_o

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I don't agree with the meaning of the term "feminist". I'm not defending equality because I'm a woman, I do it because I'm human.

 

...? Being a feminist simply means believing in equality between genders, I don't know what you're getting at. The idea that feminism is exclusively about women is a misconception.



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 11:02 AM

...? Being a feminist simply means believing in equality between genders, I don't know what you're getting at. The idea that feminism is exclusively about women is a misconception.

 

I meant the designation "feminist".

Jesus Christ, my english is awful and I can't express myself properly. Move on already. :(



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 11:06 AM

I've never seen an example of two people with the same experience, qualifications and role being paid different amounts in a professional company. 

 

That's funny because when I worked in R&D I made 5 USD an hour more than my classmate/coworker. We both attended the same university, had the same courses, and had the same exact position. 



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 11:10 AM

This video isn't about feminism. It's about selling t-shirts.



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 11:12 AM

That's funny because when I worked in R&D I made 5 USD an hour more than my classmate/coworker. We both attended the same university, had the same courses, and had the same exact position. 

Same work experience? involved in same activities? fraternity? Same grades?


This video isn't about feminism. It's about selling t-shirts.

That's a joke right? You know its about selling tshirts to raise awareness about feminism right? 



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 11:16 AM

We're basically identical people. We've been in every course together and I definitely do worse in school. I'm nearly failing out at this point. 



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 11:47 AM

We're basically identical people. We've been in every course together and I definitely do worse in school. I'm nearly failing out at this point. 

Explain your situation here. You worked together? Before college? Your post implies that you are still in college since you are failing out... are you in grad school?



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 11:51 AM

That's a joke right? You know its about selling tshirts to raise awareness about feminism right?

 
For-profit clothing company makes provocative "viral video" to encourage sharing and discussion and ultimately ... sales
 
It's the oldest trick in the advertiser's book and they've pulled off this exact charade before, using the Ferguson incident as a way to drive T-shirt sales: 

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This prompted the non-profit anti-racism organisation Colorlines to publish a scathing article about them: This is the T-Shirt Company Making Money Off of Ferguson 
 
There are plenty more articles out there slating their bad business practices and poor ethics: 1 2 3

 

Oh, and to add insult to injury they don't even create their own artwork! They steal it from independent artists!

 
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So... this company wants our money and they're happy to steal artwork, manipulate sensitive events, and make children swear in order to get it. No thanks.  :/




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