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#1 DonValentino

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Posted 09 November 2014 - 10:20 PM

Didn't want to study anymore so I wrote some shit. Discuss it.  

 

          In order for us, as a species, to survive, we need to figure out how to embrace each other as brothers and sisters and stop getting into pissing contests. Life is too short to spend it killing each other. On a more personal level, we need to stop being so angry, stop taking advantage of each other, stop being cruel. There is no time for that. We need to love. Love is the key to success in life. Love is your ability to take all the beauty around you, absorb it, use it, add to it, and then send it back into the world. But what is beauty? Beauty is positivity, creativity, hope. Trees are beautiful because they sustain and encourage growth, books are beautiful because of the effort put into writing them, a smile is beautiful because it comforts and spreads happiness. War is not beautiful, but imagine an Israeli soldier gets hit by shrapnel and is injured, unable to move and help himself. A Palestinian citizen leaves the safety of her home to bring him inside and tend to him, this is beautiful. This act instills hope, reminding people that tomorrow can be a better day, if we make it so.

          If there is beauty, it must have an opposite, like hate is for love. So what is its opposite? Ugliness, but now there is an important distinction that we need to make. Is ugliness a concealer of beauty, or is it the absence of it? If ugliness is concealing beauty, that means that ugly events have some beauty in them, and it is our job to uncover them and appreciate what can be born from ugliness. However, if ugliness is the absence of beauty, then what is there to do? If this is true, there is nothing redeemable about any ugly act. Take the holocaust- certainly an ugly act. Now, is there some hidden beauty (something good that came of it?) or was it just pure ugliness? And if it was pure ugliness, then there are in fact evil acts. Evil acts can be defined as malicious actions perpetrated by knowledgeable parties. By knowledgeable we mean that these persons knowingly hurt other people with the intent of solely benefitting themselves or their accomplices. An ignorant act is not an evil act because the perpetrator was not malicious in his intent. Evil acts and evil people have no place in this world. The enron scandal was an evil act, as was the holocaust, as is rape. Not all war is evil though, especially when an oppressed people are fighting for freedom. So if ugliness is the absence of beauty, can beauty still emerge? Yes, but not the same as if it was concealed, instead of being uncovered it will have to be born, in spite of the ugliness. This takes considerably more effort. 


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Posted 10 November 2014 - 08:31 PM

Why can't we just kill everyone?



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Posted 10 November 2014 - 08:44 PM

Never really works.

Source: Genghis Khan, Rwanda, nazis etc

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Posted 11 November 2014 - 02:42 PM

Why can't we just kill everyone?

Because that wouldn't be nice.

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Posted 11 November 2014 - 03:27 PM

What if war, damage, and consciousness are just objective concepts that defines an occurrence devoid of subjective meanings? By then Love/Beauty/Ugliness/Evil would be independent of an entity, however there is an inclination to associate one and the other. The assignment of Love/Beauty/Ugliness/Evil is purely of our attempt to understand these objective events. The understanding in and of itself is an objective entity until a subjective assignment is given by the thinker to form an opinions. Opinions are the heart of Love/Beauty/Ugliness/Evil. All emotionally and logically charged concepts carry an opinion that doesn't come from that concept itself, but from the human who processes it. Thus, any concept can have Love/Beauty/Ugliness/Evil on par of the individual's assignment and by the assignment alone.

 

Love/Beauty/Ugliness/Evil can exist simultaneously or exclusively by the will of the individual.

 

Let's take a concept: fermentation. Can the process in and of itself be described by one, any, or all of the four adjectives? No, it cannot because it is just an event and an objective concept. We can infuse it with our opinions. Let's take the aesthetic side of descriptors. Fermentation is chained with the ugliness of rot, death, and disease, but at the same time, can't it be lifted among the splendors of success, richness, and freedom that's tied with wine? At this point, wouldn't betrayal, manipulation, and hatred act as neutral concepts until humanized into thought? The philosophy of how and why people assign such markers is a whole yet topic to discuss. 

 

(I'm tired. What I wrote is a joke, I'm sorry)

 

Why can't we just kill everyone?

 

I don't have enough time, money, effort, and glitter. I would make a glitter bomb. The glitter specks itself would act as the fomites for a highly adaptive supercontagion.



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Posted 11 November 2014 - 04:03 PM

Didn't want to study anymore so I wrote some shit. Discuss it.  

 

          In order for us, as a species, to survive, we need to figure out how to embrace each other as brothers and sisters and stop getting into pissing contests. Life is too short to spend it killing each other. On a more personal level, we need to stop being so angry, stop taking advantage of each other, stop being cruel. There is no time for that. We need to love. Love is the key to success in life. Love is your ability to take all the beauty around you, absorb it, use it, add to it, and then send it back into the world. But what is beauty? Beauty is positivity, creativity, hope. Trees are beautiful because they sustain and encourage growth, books are beautiful because of the effort put into writing them, a smile is beautiful because it comforts and spreads happiness. War is not beautiful, but imagine an Israeli soldier gets hit by shrapnel and is injured, unable to move and help himself. A Palestinian citizen leaves the safety of her home to bring him inside and tend to him, this is beautiful. This act instills hope, reminding people that tomorrow can be a better day, if we make it so.

          If there is beauty, it must have an opposite, like hate is for love. So what is its opposite? Ugliness, but now there is an important distinction that we need to make. Is ugliness a concealer of beauty, or is it the absence of it? If ugliness is concealing beauty, that means that ugly events have some beauty in them, and it is our job to uncover them and appreciate what can be born from ugliness. However, if ugliness is the absence of beauty, then what is there to do? If this is true, there is nothing redeemable about any ugly act. Take the holocaust- certainly an ugly act. Now, is there some hidden beauty (something good that came of it?) or was it just pure ugliness? And if it was pure ugliness, then there are in fact evil acts. Evil acts can be defined as malicious actions perpetrated by knowledgeable parties. By knowledgeable we mean that these persons knowingly hurt other people with the intent of solely benefitting themselves or their accomplices. An ignorant act is not an evil act because the perpetrator was not malicious in his intent. Evil acts and evil people have no place in this world. The enron scandal was an evil act, as was the holocaust, as is rape. Not all war is evil though, especially when an oppressed people are fighting for freedom. So if ugliness is the absence of beauty, can beauty still emerge? Yes, but not the same as if it was concealed, instead of being uncovered it will have to be born, in spite of the ugliness. This takes considerably more effort. 

If hate is the opposite than love, than ugliness is a concealer of beauty. I tend to feel though that apathy is the opposite of love, which would point at the lack of beauty definition. But interesting points.



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Posted 11 November 2014 - 04:12 PM

Didn't want to study anymore so I wrote some shit. Discuss it.  

 

          In order for us, as a species, to survive, we need to figure out how to embrace each other as brothers and sisters and stop getting into pissing contests. Life is too short to spend it killing each other. On a more personal level, we need to stop being so angry, stop taking advantage of each other, stop being cruel. There is no time for that. We need to love. Love is the key to success in life. Love is your ability to take all the beauty around you, absorb it, use it, add to it, and then send it back into the world. But what is beauty? Beauty is positivity, creativity, hope. Trees are beautiful because they sustain and encourage growth, books are beautiful because of the effort put into writing them, a smile is beautiful because it comforts and spreads happiness. War is not beautiful, but imagine an Israeli soldier gets hit by shrapnel and is injured, unable to move and help himself. A Palestinian citizen leaves the safety of her home to bring him inside and tend to him, this is beautiful. This act instills hope, reminding people that tomorrow can be a better day, if we make it so.

          If there is beauty, it must have an opposite, like hate is for love. So what is its opposite? Ugliness, but now there is an important distinction that we need to make. Is ugliness a concealer of beauty, or is it the absence of it? If ugliness is concealing beauty, that means that ugly events have some beauty in them, and it is our job to uncover them and appreciate what can be born from ugliness. However, if ugliness is the absence of beauty, then what is there to do? If this is true, there is nothing redeemable about any ugly act. Take the holocaust- certainly an ugly act. Now, is there some hidden beauty (something good that came of it?) or was it just pure ugliness? And if it was pure ugliness, then there are in fact evil acts. Evil acts can be defined as malicious actions perpetrated by knowledgeable parties. By knowledgeable we mean that these persons knowingly hurt other people with the intent of solely benefitting themselves or their accomplices. An ignorant act is not an evil act because the perpetrator was not malicious in his intent. Evil acts and evil people have no place in this world. The enron scandal was an evil act, as was the holocaust, as is rape. Not all war is evil though, especially when an oppressed people are fighting for freedom. So if ugliness is the absence of beauty, can beauty still emerge? Yes, but not the same as if it was concealed, instead of being uncovered it will have to be born, in spite of the ugliness. This takes considerably more effort. 

 

Awesome post!  I like your description of beauty as objects to aspire to: positivity, creativity, and hope.  Ugly, to be its opposite, would be infused with negativity, destruction, and corruption.  Love would seem to be an act of beauty, and hate or evil, an act of ugly.  I suppose there could be truly evil acts, like the holocaust, but I think most acts can not be described in such simplistic terms.  The holocaust, for example, consisted of many atrocities by many people.  Some were motivated by hate, some by evil, some by fear, some by ignorance.  Some of those acts, despite their consequences, could not be construed as evil or ugly.  They were cowards, maybe, but not evil.  Also during the holocaust were multiple instances of beauty, bravery, and hope.  People on the wrong side of the flag risking their lives, and the lives of their families, to ease someone else's suffering.  The holocaust was an event that cannot be considered evil in and of itself.  It was simply an event, set in motion by an ugly person, and maintained by ignorance, cowardice, and fear.      




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