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#1 ortin

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 08:41 PM

Vaccines, are they worth it?

 

 

As a mother, I put my parenting decisions above all else. Nobody knows my son better than me, and the choices I make about how to care for him are no one’s business but my own. So, when other people tell me how they think I should be raising my child, I simply can’t tolerate it. Regardless of what anyone else thinks, I fully stand behind my choices as a mom, including my choice not to vaccinate my son, because it is my fundamental right as a parent to decide which eradicated diseases come roaring back.

 

The decision to cause a full-blown, multi-state pandemic of a virus that was effectively eliminated from the national population generations ago is my choice alone, and regardless of your personal convictions, that right should never be taken away from a child’s parent. Never.

 

Say what you will about me, but I’ve read the information out there and weighed every option, so I am confident in my choice to revive a debilitating illness that was long ago declared dead and let it spread like wildfire from school to school, town to town, and state to state, until it reaches every corner of the country. Leaving such a momentous decision to someone you haven’t even met and who doesn’t care about your child personally—now that’s absurd! Maybe I choose to bring back the mumps. Or maybe it’s diphtheria. Or maybe it’s some other potentially fatal disease that can easily pass among those too young or too medically unfit to be vaccinated themselves. But whichever highly communicable and formerly wiped-out disease that I opt to resurrect with a vengeance, it is a highly personal decision that only I and my family have the liberty to make.

 

The bottom line is that I’m this child’s mother, and I know what’s best. End of story. Politicians, pharmaceutical companies—they don’t know the specific circumstances that made me decide to breathe new life into a viral infection that scientists and the nation at large celebrated stamping out roughly a century ago. It seems like all they care about is following unexamined old rules, injecting chemicals into our kids, preventing ghastly illnesses that used to ravage millions and have since been erased from storming back and wreaking mass havoc on a national scale, and making a buck. Should we really be listening to them and not our own hearts?

 

I am by no means telling mothers and fathers out there what to do; I’m simply standing up for every parent’s right to make his or her own decision. You may choose to follow the government-recommended immunization schedule for your child, and that’s your decision as a parent. And I might choose to unleash rubella on thousands upon thousands of helpless people, and that’s my decision as a parent.

 

It’s simple: You don’t tell me how to raise my kids to avoid reviving a horrific illness that hasn’t been seen on our shores since our grandparents were children, and I won’t tell you how to raise yours.

 

Look, I’ve done the research on these issues, I’ve read the statistics, and I’ve carefully considered the costs and benefits, and there’s simply no question in my mind that inciting a nationwide health emergency by unleashing a disease that can kill 20 percent or more of its victims is the right one for my child.

 

People need to respect that and move on.

-An editorial from The Onion



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 08:43 PM

Uh... yes? Is that a trick question?



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 08:44 PM

@Jess

 

YOU USED THE ONION LOL

 

TOO CREDIBLE CANT HANDLE IT



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 08:47 PM

Vaccines, are they worth it?

 

-An editorial from The Onion

You know the Onion is.. a satirical news site right?


ALSO

http://www.theonion....children,35731/



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 08:54 PM

i have a scar because of vaccination. it's not worth it. i rather die.



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 08:55 PM

You know the Onion is.. a satirical news site right?


ALSO

http://www.theonion....children,35731/

(that was the point)



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 08:56 PM

wait so what's the debate then?



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 08:58 PM

wait so what's the debate then?

there is no debate if no one takes the opposite side (that vaccines are bad) :(



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 09:00 PM

there is no debate if no one takes the opposite side (that vaccines are bad) :(

There's already a topic like this somewhere though.



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 09:01 PM

The outbreak is where I live. Even the high school made some kids stay home for 3 weeks. 

 

People will feed their kids McDonalds, but say no to vaccines.  :lol2:



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 09:02 PM

Yes. Don't infect other people who may not be old enough to get the vaccine, or people who have weak immune systems, because you were too stupid to get your kid vaccinated. You don't have the right to make other people sick.

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 09:06 PM

chit-chat worthy.



#13 ortin

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 09:08 PM

There's already a topic like this somewhere though.

Yeah, that topic was made 3 years ago, and that topic was on the potential bad effects on vaccines, not debating about the pros/cons of vaccines. This topic is more superior because it clearly address a question: should people get vaccinated?

 

TLDR I was too lazy to search for a topic, but hey we have this one too :p



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 09:09 PM

A c/p from a satire site is superior?



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 09:13 PM

Yeah, that topic was made 3 years ago, and that topic was on the potential bad effects on vaccines, not debating about the pros/cons of vaccines. This topic is more superior because it clearly address a question: should people get vaccinated?

 

TLDR I was too lazy to search for a topic, but hey we have this one too :p

 

Vaccines, are they worth it?

 

You lacked direction in spurring debate. I don't know what to talk about: the two different questions bolded above, the validity of a satirical work, or a call to question a parent's choice for vaccines. No wonder people are confused as to what to debate.



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 09:43 PM

chit-chat worthy.



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Posted 24 January 2015 - 10:13 PM



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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:27 AM

ezpz.

 

You chose to live in a herd. You should subscribe to herd immunity and herd mentality.

Ergo if you want to live in society you should vaccinate your children.

 

If you don't want to.... go live elsewhere you filthy outlaw. 

 

((ps i'm drunk i'm sorry))



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Posted 25 January 2015 - 01:27 AM

ezpz.

 

You chose to live in a herd. You should subscribe to herd immunity and herd mentality.

Ergo if you want to live in society you should vaccinate your children.

 

If you don't want to.... go live elsewhere you filthy outlaw. 

 

((ps i'm drunk i'm sorry))

 

((Drunk as well.))

 

Agreed. It makes me crazy mad that people wouldn't vaccinate their kids to avoid unproven side effects. I don't want someone's un-vaccinated kid making other kids sick. It's just fucked up.



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Posted 25 January 2015 - 03:27 AM

(that was the point)

 

Bahaha - and I thought it was only MY sarcasm people didn't pick up.

 

Get yo vaccines. This all started because of a doctor who published a paper about this and the link to autism. It was later proven to be incorrect (and the article was rescinded), but the damage had already been done. Stupid.



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Posted 25 January 2015 - 07:41 AM

Personally, no vaccines is quite selfish. Simply because you're choosing to protect your "beliefs" over your kids' safety as well as the safety of others. I sincerely don't understand how people will not vaccine their children? 



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Posted 25 January 2015 - 08:36 AM

Personally, no vaccines is quite selfish. Simply because you're choosing to protect your "beliefs" over your kids' safety as well as the safety of others. I sincerely don't understand how people will not vaccine their children? 

On the subject of "beliefs". One of the hardest vaccines to get people to get the HPV vaccine. Apparently some people believe if their kids get it, the kids will get a green light to start having sex everywhere.  (Since HPV is spread through sexual contact)

It didn't help that during the last presidential race, Michelle Bachman said something really dumb about autism and vaccines, and something about the HPV vaccine and how you shouldn't give it to your kids. 

 

Kids who don't haven't had their shots shouldn't be allowed in public schools. 



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Posted 25 January 2015 - 09:26 AM

I believe in the US kids cannot go to public schools if they don't have their vaccines up to date? Correct me if I'm wrong, as in if anything has changed nowadays, when I went to a public elementary school in the states, they wouldn't let me in if I didn't have them all in check. 



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Posted 25 January 2015 - 09:47 AM

I believe in the US kids cannot go to public schools if they don't have their vaccines up to date? Correct me if I'm wrong, as in if anything has changed nowadays, when I went to a public elementary school in the states, they wouldn't let me in if I didn't have them all in check. 

In some states, if their "religious beliefs" prevent them from vaccinating, they can. 

PA is one of those states, but we also have a medical exemption law. 

(a) Medical exemption. Children need not be immunized if a physician or the physician’s designee provides a written statement that immunization may be detrimental to the health of the child. When the physician determines that immunization is no longer detrimental to the health of the child, the child shall be immunized according to this subchapter.

 

 

b) Religious exemption. Children need not be immunized if the parent, guardian or emancipated child objects in writing to the immunization on religious grounds or on the basis of a strong moral or ethical conviction similar to a religious belief.


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Posted 25 January 2015 - 09:56 AM

I believe in the US kids cannot go to public schools if they don't have their vaccines up to date? Correct me if I'm wrong, as in if anything has changed nowadays, when I went to a public elementary school in the states, they wouldn't let me in if I didn't have them all in check. 

All states have exemption clauses. Some of them are enough to say "I don't believe in this" and some of them are jumping through hoops with churches and doctors. Also, a lot of schools will say you HAVE to do it, but they really mean "we want you to and won't tell you that you have choices"




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