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#26 pikapi314

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 12:58 PM

This is absolutely and completely false. I come from an area where prostitution is legal, it also happens to be one of the places with the biggest sex slave ring in the US. Prostitution in no way reduces the sex slave trade, it in fact increases it. Many (not all, not even a majority) of the prostitutes are not wanting to be prostitutes, but are in fact forced to sell themselves for sex (either because they have been hooked on drugs, their life has been threatened or the lives of their family/friends has been threatened). You are calling for the legalization of rape. Making it legal makes it that much harder to catch. But I guess if we are getting tax money for it, by all means, let us allow countless women (and girls under 18) to continue being raped.

That is also like saying "no one would view child porn if they just watched normal porn." Normal porn is the gateway. Same with prostitution/rape.

 

What I am calling for is not the legalization of rape, but the legalization (or at least decriminalization) of prostitution between consenting adults. 

 

There are also no records of sex traffic in the legal brothels of Nebraska, along with 84% of the women stating that their job feels safe. Which counters your claim that it increases the sex trade. (Source: http://www.nytimes.c...rs-feel-safer)

 

It is a job like any other job, and if someone is hooked on drugs or alcohol they would have trouble maintaining their job, or even getting it in the first place. This would lead them to illegal prostitution, which is much more degrading/abusive than legal brothels. However, this type of prostitution should be decriminalized for the women and only remain a criminal offense for the one in charge of it all, as the pimp is the only one who would have violated any human rights. 



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 05:09 PM

Despite there being a legal option, the vast majority of prostitution in Nevada takes place illegally in Reno and Las Vegas. (it isn't due to the distance, from Reno or Vegas, you can drive 15 minutes and find a brothel across county lines) About 66 times more money is spent by customers on illegal prostitution in Nevada than in the regulated brothels. 
In her 2007 report, Prostitution and trafficking in Nevada: making the connections, Melissa Farley presents the results of numerous interviews with brothel owners and prostitutes, she says that most brothel prostitutes are controlled by outside pimps and that they suffer widespread abuse by brothel owners and customers. Farley said that "What happens in legal brothels is sexual harassment, sexual exploitation and sometimes rape; she also said more than 80% of the women she had interviewed told her they wanted to leave prostitution.

Teri, a prostitute who has worked in a Nevada brothel (and who would like prostitution to be decriminalized), stated that "The brothel owners are worse than any pimp. They abuse and imprison women and are fully protected by the state"

--Wikipedia (sorry for so many quotes)

 

 

I don't have any friends that have worked as prostitutes, but I had a few friends in high school that started working at strip clubs at ~15-16 years old. You can bet there are younger girls working at legal brothels. Just because prostitution is legal won't help the girls involved with it at all.


EDIT: I worked in an office that would do free tattoo removal treatments for girls that we caught up in sex trafficking. They would be branded with their pimps name on various parts of their body. Most of them got in it young, and took them many years to get out. This was not just 1 girl, it was a lot. 


Edited by Kaddict, 28 May 2015 - 05:13 PM.


#28 pikapi314

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 05:38 PM

Despite there being a legal option, the vast majority of prostitution in Nevada takes place illegally in Reno and Las Vegas. (it isn't due to the distance, from Reno or Vegas, you can drive 15 minutes and find a brothel across county lines) About 66 times more money is spent by customers on illegal prostitution in Nevada than in the regulated brothels. 
In her 2007 report, Prostitution and trafficking in Nevada: making the connections, Melissa Farley presents the results of numerous interviews with brothel owners and prostitutes, she says that most brothel prostitutes are controlled by outside pimps and that they suffer widespread abuse by brothel owners and customers. Farley said that "What happens in legal brothels is sexual harassment, sexual exploitation and sometimes rape; she also said more than 80% of the women she had interviewed told her they wanted to leave prostitution.

Teri, a prostitute who has worked in a Nevada brothel (and who would like prostitution to be decriminalized), stated that "The brothel owners are worse than any pimp. They abuse and imprison women and are fully protected by the state"

--Wikipedia (sorry for so many quotes)

 

 

I don't have any friends that have worked as prostitutes, but I had a few friends in high school that started working at strip clubs at ~15-16 years old. You can bet there are younger girls working at legal brothels. Just because prostitution is legal won't help the girls involved with it at all.


EDIT: I worked in an office that would do free tattoo removal treatments for girls that we caught up in sex trafficking. They would be branded with their pimps name on various parts of their body. Most of them got in it young, and took them many years to get out. This was not just 1 girl, it was a lot. 

 

Both Reno and Las Vegas are huge gambling towns. It is likely that the people who partake in illegally obtaining prostitutes in these areas are from out of state and would do so in their home state as well. Many of the characters found in casinos are unlikely to be those with great morals, and would therefore be more likely to not care whether the prostitute they are hiring is legal or not. 

 

This is not an issue having to do with the legalization of prostitution, but instead with the types of people found in cities known for gambling. 

Other cities known for casinos, such as Atlantic City, NJ, have had some of the largest sex trafficing operations found. (Source: http://www.nj.com/ne..._arrests.html)

 

It is also possible that the issue lies not within prostitution itself, but within the brothels. 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a woman deciding for herself "I want to have sex and charge people for it." Which is what should be legal. 

What should not be legal however is a man taking a group of unwilling women and deciding "I am going to make these ladies have sex to get myself money" because that is sexual exploitation. 



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 08:07 PM

Both Reno and Las Vegas are huge gambling towns. It is likely that the people who partake in illegally obtaining prostitutes in these areas are from out of state and would do so in their home state as well. Many of the characters found in casinos are unlikely to be those with great morals, and would therefore be more likely to not care whether the prostitute they are hiring is legal or not. 

 

This is not an issue having to do with the legalization of prostitution, but instead with the types of people found in cities known for gambling. 

Other cities known for casinos, such as Atlantic City, NJ, have had some of the largest sex trafficing operations found. (Source: http://www.nj.com/ne..._arrests.html)

 

It is also possible that the issue lies not within prostitution itself, but within the brothels. 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a woman deciding for herself "I want to have sex and charge people for it." Which is what should be legal. 

What should not be legal however is a man taking a group of unwilling women and deciding "I am going to make these ladies have sex to get myself money" because that is sexual exploitation. 

 

Why is gambling less moral than prostitution? What is wrong with people throwing their money away? Is it any different than someone buying a frivolous product? Or going out with friends? Or going to the arcade? What makes that less moral, especially to the point of attracting sex traffickers? 

(I hope this doesn't seem like I am attacking your ideals, I am just trying to keep some debate going, because that is what this section is about. It makes a good break once in a while when I am procrastinating neuroanatomy. Thanks for debating!)



#30 pikapi314

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 10:52 AM

Why is gambling less moral than prostitution? What is wrong with people throwing their money away? Is it any different than someone buying a frivolous product? Or going out with friends? Or going to the arcade? What makes that less moral, especially to the point of attracting sex traffickers? 

(I hope this doesn't seem like I am attacking your ideals, I am just trying to keep some debate going, because that is what this section is about. It makes a good break once in a while when I am procrastinating neuroanatomy. Thanks for debating!)

 

Well the idea of morals in general greatly depends upon the person you are talking to. Personally I find nothing wrong with gambling itself, however the casino atmosphere tends to attract those who only wish to party, get drunk, and spend money. (That is a generalization of course, as there are probably plenty of successful people who visit casinos as well). 

 

Sex traffickers would likely flock to places which there would be a multitude of drunk people, as people tend to think less critically whist they are under the influence of alcohol and other drugs. 

 

(You don't seem attacking at all! I'm also just procrastinating as well along with testing out my debate skills) 



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Posted 29 May 2015 - 01:14 PM

Well the idea of morals in general greatly depends upon the person you are talking to. Personally I find nothing wrong with gambling itself, however the casino atmosphere tends to attract those who only wish to party, get drunk, and spend money. (That is a generalization of course, as there are probably plenty of successful people who visit casinos as well). 

 

Sex traffickers would likely flock to places which there would be a multitude of drunk people, as people tend to think less critically whist they are under the influence of alcohol and other drugs. 

 

(You don't seem attacking at all! I'm also just procrastinating as well along with testing out my debate skills) 

So if the problem is drunken debauchery more than prostitution itself, are you insinuating it would be better to bring back prohibition than to criminalize prostitution everywhere?



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Posted 29 May 2015 - 01:32 PM

So if the problem is drunken debauchery more than prostitution itself, are you insinuating it would be better to bring back prohibition than to criminalize prostitution everywhere?

 

Well it's evident from the failure of prohibition in the 1920's that it doesn't work. However, a potential solution to this could be for bars to refuse to serve to people past a certain limit. That is also unlikely to completely solve the problem. 

 

Despite this, the criminalization of prostitution everywhere would not solve the problem either. It would simply endanger the prostitutes further, as they would both have to avoid law enforcement and abuse from their pimps. 



#33 Chuuya

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Posted 01 June 2015 - 02:16 AM

well I think since people are all about human rights and equality and freedom and stuff I people should have a right to be  a prostitute if they want, sex trafficking, thats another thing, most have no choice,

 

but if they  ant to then go ahead  



#34 Jibrille

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Posted 01 June 2015 - 09:53 PM

What is the percentage of rape committed by man? Yes, woman can rape, but it's much more of a crime crisis related to men abusing their power over women. A woman to rape a man will need drugs, such viagra, and use things to phisically immobilize the target. 

Man rape inside relationships, family and it's a common mistake that "that girl was so wasted, she won't even remember it".

I srsly don't admit people saying that "woman also rape", because how many cases do you know of a guy dying after being raped by a woman? one? two? Thousands of women die because of it but it's ok, because it's normal.

 

About prostitution: nobody wants to have your body violated. A woman that goes into this kind of situation is usually from a very poor family and can't see any other possibility of gaining money. They have no study and are desperate. Nobody thinks it's luxurious. Of course we will have exceptions, but the majority is being explored, because prostituion IS RAPE, is violence against the female body. You are being raped as a form of "work" and people think it's "easy life"

I'm against the legalization because it will banalize rape, it will say it's normal to man access the woman body, abusing the person. Prostitution is not simple the sell of labour power. 

The approaching needs to be "why these woman are doing it?" and do something about it, not simple "it generates money, so it's fine". Let's legalize child labour then... it helps families too.



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Posted 07 June 2015 - 09:22 AM

The oldest profession in the world. 

 

The women sells their body for a period of time and in that period of time the buyer can do what they want to them because ...well they sold their body to them for x hours or x activity. 

 

It's a dangerous profession no doubt.

 

It should become legal so the women's well being is considered but likely to remain illegal for a long time cuz stupid people



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Posted 07 June 2015 - 02:10 PM

The oldest profession in the world. 

 

The women sells their body for a period of time and in that period of time the buyer can do what they want to them because ...well they sold their body to them for x hours or x activity. 

 

It's a dangerous profession no doubt.

 

It should become legal so the women's well being is considered but likely to remain illegal for a long time cuz stupid people

2nd oldest. Need something to barter with for prostitution to be profitable, right?




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