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[Frizzle]

Absinthe + Baileys. Nasty stuff, never again.

That sounds fucking stupid and that's coming from me (ex-bartender). Mixers usually congeal with baileys so they physically curdle in your stomach inducing vomiting.

[Waser Lave]

That sounds fucking stupid and that's coming from me (ex-bartender). Mixers usually congeal with baileys so they physically curdle in your stomach inducing vomiting.

 

Well duh.

[Kaddict]

Not having free college is stupid. I have no clue why are we arguing.

College should be free, health too; there's no sense in argue about that.

The problem is that if college is free, it is taken from your paycheck for the rest of your life, which doesn't sound too bad at first. But if it is free, it would encourage people to stay in school longer, because it is easier to be an ongoing college student than it is to be an adult with a real job and responsibility.

[Ali]

Not having free college is stupid. I have no clue why are we arguing.

College should be free, health too; there's no sense in argue about that.

There is absolutely no way that my university should have been free. No way.

 

The problem is that if college is free, it is taken from your paycheck for the rest of your life, which doesn't sound too bad at first. But if it is free, it would encourage people to stay in school longer, because it is easier to be an ongoing college student than it is to be an adult with a real job and responsibility.

Working is loads easier than my degree. I wouldn't go back if you paid me.

[Kaddict]

There is absolutely no way that my university should have been free. No way.

 

Working is loads easier than my degree. I wouldn't go back if you paid me.

What was your degree? And while working a college kids job is really easy, I think undergrad was way easier. Grad school on the other hand...

[Ali]

What was your degree? And while working a college kids job is really easy, I think undergrad was way easier. Grad school on the other hand...

Music. I spent 4 years practising for about 14 hours a day and being screamed at by an abusive Russian.

 

Having a career is far far better than music college EVER was.

[Kaddict]

Music. I spent 4 years practising for about 14 hours a day and being screamed at by an abusive Russian.

 

Having a career is far far better than music college EVER was.

Geeze, where did you go? I feel like most music programs aren't that intense... Unless it is an all music school I guess...

[Coops]

The problem is that if college is free, it is taken from your paycheck for the rest of your life, which doesn't sound too bad at first. But if it is free, it would encourage people to stay in school longer, because it is easier to be an ongoing college student than it is to be an adult with a real job and responsibility.

As of right now, if we closed corporate tax loopholes and actually required them to carry as much as the burden as the lower/middle class of America, it would be cents on the dollar for an every day American. You already pay that for ambulances, police, military, etc. We have the wealth to do it. And we should. No one here has mentioned that this would include vocational training for important things like plumbing, welding, water welding, electricians, machine engineering, etc. That shit is the foundation of production. I would definitely be willing to lose out on a few dollars here and there to train the next generation of producers.

[Ali]

Geeze, where did you go? I feel like most music programs aren't that intense... Unless it is an all music school I guess...

Royal College of Music in London and CNSMDP in Paris. It was setting me up to be a professional violinist, it was supposed to be tough. *shrugs*

[Susie]

You'll probably think differently after you graduate and you compare the A4 piece of paper certificate you get at the end with your bank statement. I didn't even get a stupid t-shirt.

The t-shirt is an extra $15-20.

But yeah, I agree with @Ali. Working is definitely WAY easier than college. You go your 8 hours, than go home. No homework, no tests to study for. Just work and home.
Plus, I've been graduated from college for 3 years, and not once have I used derivatives, dissection, or analyzing Shakespeare.

[Waser Lave]

Not having free college is stupid. I have no clue why are we arguing.

College should be free, health too; there's no sense in argue about that.

 

Also, what about people who have societally important jobs which don't require a degree? Like mechanics, plumbers, nurses etc. Why should somebody be paid to spend 3-4 years at university doing something like English or Media Studies when those people are out working their way up and supporting themselves?

[Ali]

But yeah, I agree with @Ali. Working is definitely WAY easier than college. You go your 8 hours, than go home. No homework, no tests to study for. Just work and home.
Plus, I've been graduated from college for 3 years, and not once have I used derivatives, dissection, or analyzing Shakespeare.

The enforced routine is so much easier. No working at 4am because I didn't do it earlier...

[DregsandDregs]

It has to be free.  And we need to transition to a more socialist economic system soon.
 
 
Consider this: We just made a computer that can not just play Go, but WIN against a professional player.  A 2-Dan, but still.
 
Consider this: Every time a new labour saving technology comes up people loose their jobs.  That's part of what happened to manufacturing.  The only things computers can't conceivably replace us in is creativity, science, and human relations.  Art doesn't pay.  Not everyone is good at science.  And there's a limit to how many Customer Service jobs there are, especially when people don't have money to spend.
 
Consider this: People who love what they do are going to be better at it.  People who love technology are going to study harder and spend more time on it.  They'll be better scientists than someone who is doing it to make a paycheck.
 
Things are becoming progressively less and less expensive to make the less we need humans to do it.  If a machine can plant crops and harvest them then all it costs to produce food is running the machine.  If another machine can produce the fuel to run itself, other machine, etc then food is effectively free.  So why should we pay for it?
 
We're almost there.  But so many people are going to loose their jobs before then.  We need to start the transition now.
 

Also, what about people who have societally important jobs which don't require a degree? Like mechanics, plumbers, nurses etc. Why should somebody be paid to spend 3-4 years at university doing something like English or Media Studies when those people are out working their way up and supporting themselves?

Dude, nursing requires a degree. Mechanics requires a degree. PLumers too. Though the last two are technical colleges, not 4 year ones.

Edited by DregsandDregs, 01 February 2016 - 03:04 PM.

[Susie]

The enforced routine is so much easier. No working at 4am because I didn't do it earlier...

Oh yeah. I stayed up all night doing a final paper, because I hadn't done it earlier.
And I find out the day after I turned it in that my final grade was a B whether I had turned it in or not... I was so pissed.

[Waser Lave]

It has to be free.  And we need to transition to a more socialist economic system soon.

 

 

Consider this: We just made a computer that can not just play Go, but WIN against a professional player.  A 2-Dan, but still.

 

Consider this: Every time a new labour saving technology comes up people loose their jobs.  That's part of what happened to manufacturing.  The only things computers can't conceivably replace us in is creativity, science, and human relations.  Art doesn't pay.  Not everyone is good at science.  And there's a limit to how many Customer Service jobs there are, especially when people don't have money to spend.

 

Consider this: People who love what they do are going to be better at it.  People who love technology are going to study harder and spend more time on it.  They'll be better scientists than someone who is doing it to make a paycheck.

 

Things are becoming progressively less and less expensive to make the less we need humans to do it.  If a machine can plant crops and harvest them then all it costs to produce food is running the machine.  If another machine can produce the fuel to run itself, other machine, etc then food is effectively free.  So why should we pay for it?

 

We're almost there.  But so many people are going to loose their jobs before then.  We need to start the transition now.

 

We'll just transition to a post-labour world and we humans will all become the 1%.

[Ali]

Dude, nursing requires a degree. Mechanics requires a degree. PLumers too. Though the last two are technical colleges, not 4 year ones.

Not in the UK. (Although nursing, I think you now do).

[Frizzle]

Also, what about people who have societally important jobs which don't require a degree? Like mechanics, plumbers, nurses etc. Why should somebody be paid to spend 3-4 years at university doing something like English or Media Studies when those people are out working their way up and supporting themselves?

I'm assuming if certain subjects were made free it would depend on what type of jobs were in dire need of new employees at that period.

[Waser Lave]

Dude, nursing requires a degree. Mechanics requires a degree. PLumers too. Though the last two are technical colleges, not 4 year ones.

 

New nurses do but that's only a recent thing, most nurses in the UK probably still don't have one. Mechanics and plumbers definitely don't need a degree...

 

Not in the UK. (Although nursing, I think you now do).

 

Yeah, I think they need them now.

I'm assuming if certain subjects were made free it would depend on what type of jobs were in dire need of new employees at that period.

 

That kind of thing already happens though, I know.

[Kaddict]

I am much more open to subsidized career colleges than I am for free/subsidized 4 year universities. Because 4 year universities don't really prepare you at all for an actual job/career the majority of the time. 

[Ali]

I am much more open to subsidized career colleges than I am for free/subsidized 4 year universities. Because 4 year universities don't really prepare you at all for an actual job/career the majority of the time. 

Probably a bit different over here where we don't major, we just pick a subject and study it for 3-4 years. So for more vocational careers like law and medicine, undergrad sets you up reasonably well unlike in the US where you need to postgrad first.

 

Most careers aren't that straightforward though. For instance @Waser Lave did a degree in colouring in, but he doesn't get to colour in his current job.

[Waser Lave]

I long to colour in permanently, maybe kittens or something.

[Ali]

I long to colour in permanently, maybe kittens or something.

It is probably right that the taxpayers didn't fully fund your colouring degree though.

[Waser Lave]

It is probably right that the taxpayers didn't fully fund your colouring degree though.

 

They did pay me to do my colouring in masters though. I thank you for your contribution.

[Ali]

They did pay me to do my colouring in masters though. I thank you for your contribution.

Fortunately, one was not paying tax at the time on account of being much younger than you.

 

Both G and I had silly scholarships for our nonsense degrees but I think those are funded by wealthy patrons.

[HiMyNameIsNick]

The problem is that if college is free, it is taken from your paycheck for the rest of your life, which doesn't sound too bad at first. But if it is free, it would encourage people to stay in school longer, because it is easier to be an ongoing college student than it is to be an adult with a real job and responsibility.

 

What's wrong with that?

In my country people try to leave college asap, even when it's free. Some of them work and go to college. I know you're a smart user, but I think your comment was pointless.

 

Also, what about people who have societally important jobs which don't require a degree? Like mechanics, plumbers, nurses etc. Why should somebody be paid to spend 3-4 years at university doing something like English or Media Studies when those people are out working their way up and supporting themselves?

 

What about them? They don't make shitloads of money like a doctor or an engineer.