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#176 Coops

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 06:50 PM

Free college won't be free, you'll end up seeing a huge increase in your taxes, and guess why that's there? Your so called "free" college.

Not to mention, those who attend private universities will end up paying for the private university and some portion of a "public" university education that they are not using.

You already pay taxes for education. It's being mismanaged and the use of our taxes has been mismanaged to benefit wealthier people and corporations. It's not free. No one is suggesting free, because it would be subsidized with our taxes, that is paying for it. We're suggesting using our taxes on shit that actually benefits everyone instead of the few.



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Posted 24 February 2016 - 06:54 PM

Why so selfish for fuck's sake?

I fail to see how that's very selfish. I shouldn't put myself into a financial crisis with thousands in debt so someone else can get free education. That's just not logical.

 

You already pay taxes for education. It's being mismanaged and the use of our taxes has been mismanaged to benefit wealthier people and corporations. It's not free. No one is suggesting free, because it would be subsidized with our taxes, that is paying for it. We're suggesting using our taxes on shit that actually benefits everyone instead of the few.

Well, Bernie Sanders is suggesting its free. I understand I pay taxes for education, that's for public grade and high schools and it's already not enough to support those systems. Adding an additional educational system to draw from the same funds would be anything but beneficial.



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Posted 24 February 2016 - 06:56 PM

I fail to see how that's very selfish. I shouldn't put myself into a financial crisis with thousands in debt so someone else can get free education. That's just not logical.

 

 

You fail to see how that's selfish and you are going to college?

What's wrong with education these days?



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Posted 24 February 2016 - 06:59 PM

I fail to see how that's very selfish. I shouldn't put myself into a financial crisis with thousands in debt so someone else can get free education. That's just not logical.

 

Well, Bernie Sanders is suggesting its free. I understand I pay taxes for education, that's for public grade and high schools and it's already not enough to support those systems. Adding an additional educational system to draw from the same funds would be anything but beneficial.

No. Bernie Sanders is suggesting a new tax plan that is far more fair. He is suggesting taking down criminals on Wall Street and giving new people a chance to manage banks and corporations. He is demanding accountability and responsibility on the part of those involved in the recession, political mismanagement and financial mismanagement. He wants a single payer healthcare system, to streamline how Americans can get access to doctors - all of these things will save us money and in the long run support fiscal responsibility and the ability to fund education and health.

And contrary to your belief, although you're attending a private college/uni, your education is subsidized by every single citizen who pays taxes. Private universities get subsidies/deductions too. So, you not wanting to return the favor to those who don't have the luxury to attend a private university, or any university, college or trade school is selfish.



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Posted 24 February 2016 - 07:10 PM

No. Bernie Sanders is suggesting a new tax plan that is far more fair. He is suggesting taking down criminals on Wall Street and giving new people a chance to manage banks and corporations. He is demanding accountability and responsibility on the part of those involved in the recession, political mismanagement and financial mismanagement.

Funny enough, Trump is clamoring for much the same on these issues  :whistling:



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Posted 24 February 2016 - 07:13 PM

Funny enough, Trump is clamoring for much the same on these issues  :whistling:

I don't believe he is genuine, considering how racist and sexist he is, and that he is a known liar who takes money from super-PACs and PACs. I just don't think I can believe he intends to hold the richest and most powerful people in America accountable for their part in the political and fiscal mismanagement of our nation. That is just my opinion though. 



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Posted 24 February 2016 - 07:39 PM

I don't believe he is genuine, considering how racist and sexist he is, and that he is a known liar who takes money from super-PACs and PACs. I just don't think I can believe he intends to hold the richest and most powerful people in America accountable for their part in the political and fiscal mismanagement of our nation. That is just my opinion though. 

Of course Trump is just posturing in an attempt to get the angry working class vote. However, it is quite interesting how both Trump and Sanders utilize populist arguments to tap into this dissatisfaction :o



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Posted 24 February 2016 - 08:04 PM

That's a tiny amount, I think I pay around £1,000 direct tax a month.

Interesting, I guess that's why your public services are far more affordable/free than ours (healthcare).

 

You don't have to answer this question if you don't want to -- roughly what percentage of your monthly income is that £1000?  I wouldn't mind paying less than $50 a month for Bernie's plans.

 

Why is the '1' so small...?dafuck I don't like 



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Posted 25 February 2016 - 12:44 AM

Interesting, I guess that's why your public services are far more affordable/free than ours (healthcare).

You don't have to answer this question if you don't want to -- roughly what percentage of your monthly income is that £1000? I wouldn't mind paying less than $50 a month for Bernie's plans.

Why is the '1' so small...?dafuck I don't like

Yeah generally our tax system means we pay a lot more than yanks, but we get a lot out of it.

Generally income tax is 20% of what you earn between £12,500 - £38,000 (ish).

So let's say you make £25,000 a year, you would 20% of the money you earn between £12,500 - £25,000 which would equate to £2000 a year income tax.

We also pay national insurance which is basically an additional tax to pay towards the NHS which is the free healthcare we always talk about. I'm not really 100% certain how much it is, but I would hazard a guess it's around 10% of what you earn.

I generally make about £46,000 a year (pre-tax and with overtime) which means I pay roughly £1,000 a year. If I do less overtime I obviously pay tax.

On top of that I "have" to pay 14% of my pensionable income towards my pension.

What that means in lay men's terms is that my basic wage (without overtime and location allowances), my basic wage is actually around £33-34,000 a year. So that's an additional £4,760 a year apparently. So, yeah, I generally pay around £1300-1400 a month just in "taxes".

Which sounds a lot, but I get shot, stabbed, get cancer etc I can have full treatment, with physiotherapist, chemo etc (and I mean full treatment) without paying a single penny.

I would probably say the tax alone is 25% of my monthly income, so I would take home almost £4,000 a month without tax/NI

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 01:11 AM

Yes, college should definitely be free. Not only because it's financially beneficial, but also because it will have to be state run. I've seen the privatisation of universities happen here in the Netherlands (along with many other public services). I don't know what idiot thought that was a good idea. Education went down the drain. When it was state run, universities worked on their grade average, trying to deliver top class students each year. Since universities became companies, we suddenly saw a magical increase of graduates each year. Fun fact: universities get money for each graduate they produce. Students became numbers.

Making colleges free makes them staterun and changes their goal, further ensuring the quality of education.

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 01:29 AM

Yes, college should definitely be free. Not only because it's financially beneficial, but also because it will have to be state run. I've seen the privatisation of universities happen here in the Netherlands (along with many other public services). I don't know what idiot thought that was a good idea. Education went down the drain. When it was state run, universities worked on their grade average, trying to deliver top class students each year. Since universities became companies, we suddenly saw a magical increase of graduates each year. Fun fact: universities get money for each graduate they produce. Students became numbers.

Making colleges free makes them staterun and changes their goal, further ensuring the quality of education.

 

I agree. I'm also from the Netherlands and education should be state run again. The quality of education is only going down at the moment. I hate being only a number. They don't care about you as long as you graduate so the universities can get their money. 




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