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#51 Umi

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Posted 19 November 2015 - 02:15 PM

Is it fair to say that the first 'Syrian refugee' that blows themselves up  (yes I realize how bad that sounds) will ruin my trust in them? I'm all for giving them a chance to live here, under close surveillance, but I'm going to keep my guard up. I'd rather keep my head on a swivel than having my head on a metaphorical stake. 

 

That will not ruin your trust on them, you'll be just more careful about them. Imagine that one refugee blowed up himself and killed many peoples on your country. Isn't the others refugees fault because they all isn't ISIS infiltrers, but you'll be more careful about they.



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Posted 19 November 2015 - 02:32 PM

That will not ruin your trust on them, you'll be just more careful about them. Imagine that one refugee blowed up himself and killed many peoples on your country. Isn't the others refugees fault because they all isn't ISIS infiltrers, but you'll be more careful about they.

I don't think you know me lol. I'd never hurt them, but I sure as hell wouldn't trust them.



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Posted 19 November 2015 - 02:35 PM

I don't think you know me lol. I'd never hurt them, but I sure as hell wouldn't trust them.


I didn't said you would hurt them!! You don't look a bad person, but you're right, I wouldn't trust them too.

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Posted 19 November 2015 - 02:36 PM

I have trust issues anyway, so I guess it wouldn't be too out of the ordinary for me to be skeptical. 



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Posted 19 November 2015 - 04:10 PM

OK, I barely skimmed this thread, but this is something I've been rolling around in my head since the Syrian refugee crisis began. I'm as much of a gun-toting, Bible-beating, save-the-fetus, xenophobic person as any other southern Republican.

 

It's not our responsibility as nation to take in Syrian refugees. We would have saved time, money, and blood by maintaining that pre-WW isolationist status. 

 

Buuuut we didn't and here we are. I think we should help Syrian refugees, with an emphasis on women and children. As much as I enjoy looking at picture after picture of sexy 20-something year old male refugees on facebook, I feel like it's the children who have the future to look forward to. And sure, I'll admit there's some ageism and sexism going on in my head. I'll also admit that part of that stems from a gruesome article about babies being used for bayonet practice I read last week. I don't want my babies raped and mangled and it gives me a burning desire to want to save other women's babies from that fate.

 

I'm 99.9% NOT concerned about any of them being part of ISIS. Terrorists? Sure, maybe. But according to the ISIS religious standpoint, which appears to be their main reason for slaughtering people, they are forbidden from leaving the Holy Land after they've entered it, except to expand the boundaries that are already attached to that area. The extremists who are terrorizing others in the name of ISIS are people who are unable to go to the Caliphate for whatever reason. The ISIS terrorists are already here. They don't need to be imported or refuged and they won't be brought in with Syrian refugees. I'm more concerned about the fact that I see a few dozen people daily who can't tell a Mexican from a Middle Eastern and in reality, we're probably bringing in who knows what from every angle because of it, without the screening process that the refugees will supposedly go through. 

 

Finally, generalized expected statement about Jewish refugees and the Holocaust.



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Posted 21 November 2015 - 03:11 PM

Freakin Trudeau wants to bring 25k Syrian refugees in 6 weeks and convince Canadians that they are properly screened. And also airlift them while giving them free dental and vision, something the taxpayers don't get.

 

Also, why is Saudi Arabia (one country who was directly responsible for this mess) still not taking in any refugees when a lot of refugees share common way of life with the Saudis?


Edited by jinq, 21 November 2015 - 03:17 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2015 - 04:50 PM

Freakin Trudeau wants to bring 25k Syrian refugees in 6 weeks and convince Canadians that they are properly screened. And also airlift them while giving them free dental and vision, something the taxpayers don't get.

Also, why is Saudi Arabia (one country who was directly responsible for this mess) still not taking in any refugees when a lot of refugees share common way of life with the Saudis?


Most refugees will go through a triple dip process of research and investigation into their backgrounds of who they are ( passport details, DNA, fingerprints, etc) which can take between 18 - 24 months.

Depending on that persons abilities ( ie if they're a healthy adult), they will stay in a glorified camp/detention centre. They can apply for asylum which takes years and during this process they can live in the local communities but cannot work so they live of a small amount of government benefits.

If their asylum process is accepted they can then work, study and live in that particular country before applying for citizenship after a certain amount of years ( on average it's between 4-7 years).

During both processes they will be under constant surveillance by the immigration department, police and government. They will have regular interviews and meetings with relevant agencies.

The fact that people believe these refugees aren't checked and just chucked into the country on a cash bed of benefits is not surprising considering people's ignorance and believing the right wing medias agenda.

The reason Saudi Arabia doesn't hold refugees (they have just paid over a billion dollars instead), is most likely due to its political and economical unwilling from its monarchy.

Saudi Arabia is a terrorist hotspot which funds, trains and recruits terrorists on multi-level agencies. There is some evidence to suggest that it is government funded but it seems mainly independent and private organisations funding these terrorists.

There is evidence to suggest Al-Queada, ISIS, Boko Haram etc have all trained and been funded by Saudis. Famously the 9/11 hijackers were all Arabians, funded by Saudi organisations and trained in Afghanistan.

The reason no-one does anything? It's a major ally in the Middle East and has an extoronaite amount of oil.

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 05:31 PM

Yes, and if you think otherwise you're a xenophobe at best.



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Posted 21 November 2015 - 06:28 PM

The most irritating aspect of this situation is the pure misinformation surrounding the process of refugee resettlement and how that differs from political asylum or economic migration. I have a close friend who works for the state of Alaska, resettling refugees specific to that state. It's a very complex, multi-layered process but everyone keeps insinuating that these guys will just be flown in and let loose in our country. It can take years for refugees to be let in and the process is extensive as hell. It's actually easier to migrate here for economic reasons, and honestly, if someone wanted to blow us up, they could just do it that way from what I know.

But also, I'm sick of the stupid emotional blackmail bullshit -- "we should help our veterans and homeless first"! That is emotional blackmail and it objectifies homeless people, as some sort of political pawn. It's horrible and shitty. And the truth is we can do both. This whole homelessness thing isn't either or. It should be something we're doing. I've noticed, in general, those screaming to not let refugees in are the ones who want to cut social programs like SNAP, WIC, housing and medicare assistance for marginalized populations (veterans, disabled, etc) because if you receive government help you must be lazy, unmotivated, etc. And you just need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps dammit, stop whining about being poor! 



#60 ortin

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 03:21 PM

John Oliver puts the screening process in an interesting way:

 

If you're a refugee, first you apply through the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, which collects documents and performs interviews. Incidentally, less than 1 percent of refugees worldwide end up being recommended for resettlement. But if you're one of them, you might then be referred to the State Department to begin the vetting process.

 

At this point, more information is collected. You would be put through additional screenings by the National Counterterrorism Center, the FBI, and the Department of Homeland Security. And if you're a Syrian refugee, you'll get an additional layer of screening called the Syria enhanced review, which may include a further check by a special part of Homeland Security, the USCIS fraud detection, and national security directors.

 

And don't relax yet 'cause we've barely even started. Then you finally get an interview with USCIS officers, and you'll also be fingerprinted so your prints can be run through the biometric databases of the FBI, Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of Defense. And if you make it through all that, you'll then have health screenings — which, let's face it, may not go too well for you, because you may have given yourself a stroke going through this process so far. But if everything comes back clear, you'll be enrolled in cultural orientation classes — all while your information continues to be checked recurrently against terrorist databases to make sure that no new information comes in that wasn't caught before.

 

All of that has to happen before you get near a plane. This process typically takes 18 to 24 months once you've been referred by the UN to the United States. This is the most rigorous vetting anyone has to face before entering this country. No terrorist in their right mind would choose this path when the visa process requires far less effort.

So it's pretty safe to say there won't be terrorists trying to pose as a refugee.



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Posted 24 November 2015 - 01:13 PM

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Posted this on Facebook.

Actual comment from one of my FB friends:

"Really? What does Dylan Roof have to do with Syrian refugees? That's all you have for your argument? Could you please back up your implication that's it's white American Christians that are against this? Dylan Roof was born white, can't do anything about that, and he was born in America, once again, can't choose your birthplace....he "called" himself a Christian (lots of people do, without knowing what one is, and what it calls for from you). Ah youth. So judgemental while espousing love and intolerance."

 

I don't think she gets it... or gets the fact that her own argument could be turned on her in support of allowing refugees in. 



#62 ortin

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 03:59 PM

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Posted this on Facebook.

Actual comment from one of my FB friends:

"Really? What does Dylan Roof have to do with Syrian refugees? That's all you have for your argument? Could you please back up your implication that's it's white American Christians that are against this? Dylan Roof was born white, can't do anything about that, and he was born in America, once again, can't choose your birthplace....he "called" himself a Christian (lots of people do, without knowing what one is, and what it calls for from you). Ah youth. So judgemental while espousing love and intolerance."

 

I don't think she gets it... or gets the fact that her own argument could be turned on her in support of allowing refugees in. 

Haha this argument is so bad it's funny :p If Dylan Roof was "born white, can't do anything about that, and he was born in America, once again, can't choose your birthplace....he "called" himself a Christian (lots of people do, without knowing what one is, and what it calls for from you)", and all of these things cannot be changed, then the same would apply to a Syrian refugee. 



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Posted 24 November 2015 - 04:10 PM

Haha this argument is so bad it's funny :p If Dylan Roof was "born white, can't do anything about that, and he was born in America, once again, can't choose your birthplace....he "called" himself a Christian (lots of people do, without knowing what one is, and what it calls for from you)", and all of these things cannot be changed, then the same would apply to a Syrian refugee. 

 

Yeah, that's what I had written in my response to her, but she was actually reading it wrong. Thinking it was an attack on Christians or something. 




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