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[Ives]

so this debate is on war : Nessecary or no?

I think wars good and all for some purposes (tearing some flesh out is a million mans endorphins) but I think people are CENSORED and keep rushing it. The whole invasion of Iraq and vietnam seem so lame.

[SupermanFTM]

Although I hate admitting it, and am against war, I have to say it's necessary. For one, it can be a quicker solution to feuds, and also reduces population(horrible, but true) It allows countries to compete, and can force(yes usually against the countries' will) places to become "better", as in more industrialized, laws, freedoms, etc. So I don't agree with it, and I do think that the U.S has started too many recently, but I also think that they are necessary. My Point Of View

[Archon]

If the war is for a right reason it can be fought.

BUT... I know a lot of people are going to say this, but it all depends on what people view as "right"

[Tetiel]

*shrug* a nessesary evil.

[Melchoire]

Hell no they're not good at all. What are thinking when you say that Reducing the population has nothing to do with sending people to war. People die natural causes all the time. Wars exist because some leaders are so single minded they never put themselves in the other people's shoes they don't know how they feel.

[Wicked]

Sometimes it is necessary. Sometimes it is not. But people and their stupid politics sit their get mad and rush things and say we have to go to war. I hate wars, but sometimes it is necessary.

Edited by Shadowwolves, 24 December 2005 - 09:09 PM.

[Vegas]

obviously not good but its always gonna be inevitable when the world is divided into different nations and religions...some people are always gonna be at disadvantages and go to war to protect there beliefs or when they think their rights are being abused and some people are just greedy and will go to war for their own agenda and wont care because there not the ones fighting and dying

[Melchoire]

David that is completely ignorant - yet so vague. For modern times - no, it's not as necessary as it used to be.

But if you're including at and before the medieval era, I'm going to vehemently stand by my statement and call it ignorant.

I guess my thoughts are affected by right and wrong. But you're being singleminded think of yourself or a family member going to war and dying, god forbid. How would you feel about what you're saying now. Teenagers going to war isn't out of the question either. In places like Iran or Afghanistan kids just get recruited with a snap of a finger and are sent to war.

[|nfinite]

I'd join the reserves right now if I was fit for it - but 125lbs on a 16yo male just won't cut it.

Oh PSH!

They'll build you up, so don't you worry about that.

War is not always the best answer, but sometimes it is the most effective. I can't say that World War II was pointless, because it really wasn't, however, Vietnam was pointless. It really depends on what the situation is. If we're doing it to stop an evil dictator from taking over the world with his Spear of Destiny and Killing over 20 Million People, then sure, War is the best option. If we're doing it to stop communism from spreading because we're afraid of it reaching the US, then it's pointless.

[Sakura]

Alright, Pearl Harbor, World War II.
The war is affecting a large portion of the world, millions are being murdered. America doesn't want to get involved. Japanese come over and bomb the hell out of us. The rest of the war is moving towards us. So...we sit there and let them kill us off and take our land?

No. War is a terrible thing, but occasionally a necissary evil. Without it, civilizations would never expand, leaving hundreds of tiny cultures that wouldn't ever be able to develop to a truely advanced point. The Greeks used it as population control. And sometimes, it is just disagreements that lead to fighting. I wish Cold War was possible, but there just isn't "peace on earth" and there never will be. War will always happen.

Edited by sakura.seppun, 26 December 2005 - 09:30 AM.

[Frizzle]

Ok then Hitler you can have Poland, Czechlovakia, Austria, INFACT take any damn country you want.

If anyone gets my point, you can't just sit around letting people do what they want. War is necassary. And Vietnam was useful for one thing, good war movies.

[Curse]

War is pointless in any matter. War only ends in a drastic conclusion were many families are sad. The only thing that people want in this world anymore is oil. They won't settle for trade, so they attack by force; however, which ever country has the strongest military will prevail in many of the battles. USA for example in today's society.

[Frizzle]

War is pointless in any matter. War only ends in a drastic conclusion were many families are sad. The only thing that people want in this world anymore is oil. They won't settle for trade, so they attack by force; however, which ever country has the strongest military will prevail in many of the battles. USA for example in today's society.

War is necassary for many reasons, dictatorships are the main cause as we can see in Iraw, and sure you may say the reason the US invaded was the oil, but how comes we haven't invaded other Oil infested lands like Saudia Arabia, Venezuela, Kuwait, Iran, Russia and the like.

And I'd be wary about the USA being the most forceful country in the world, I'd watch out for sneaky old China if I was you. China have a higher population, a faster growing economy and a fast growing miliatry and have quite a few western and eastern allies.

War of course in many opinion is a bad thing as people die, but like alot of people say "You have to break a few eggs to make an omlette". People die for the greater etc, let's just say if there was a purposeful war in my country, I'd join up. I'd very much doubt any of the modern day hippies on this site would

[pyke]

We weren't put on this planet to sit back and be pushed around. If we need to fight for our freedom then fight we shall. If Canada is ever in threat of invasion, I can only hope that my countries people will take up the fight.

All these damn hippies can say all they like, because if it wasn't for the actual brave people of their countries fighting for them, they wouldn't have the right to complain as they do.

Frizzle's right. Usa times as the power of the world is passing. China is rising. If Canada didn't have such a screwed up government (We give billions of dollars to our minorities becuase these asshole liberals can't stand up for whats right), we could be another uprising power, if only economically.

Edited by pyke, 26 December 2005 - 02:22 PM.

[Ives]

We weren't put on this planet to sit back and be pushed around. If we need to fight for our freedom then fight we shall. If Canada is ever in threat of invasion, I can only hope that my countries people will take up the fight.

All these damn hippies can say all they like, because if it wasn't for the actual brave people of their countries fighting for them, they wouldn't have the right to complain as they do.

Frizzle's right. Usa times as the power of the world is passing. China is rising. If Canada didn't have such a screwed up government (We give billions of dollars to our minorities becuase these asshole liberals can't stand up for whats right), we could be another uprising power, if only economically.

The only problem right now is Chinas navy if they were to go into war.

[Mason]

Of course, on the practical standpoint, wars are tremendous boosts to technologies, and post-war economies (if you win) are normally extraordinary, unless something bad goes down, like the Depression.

WWII snapped us out of the Great Depression.


So far, I do not disagree with the government's decisions or motives behind any of the wars. I believe all were justified, even Vietnam, Korea, and Iraq.

EDIT:
Almost forgot to mention, I'll be joining the Army after I graduate high school.

Edited by Mason, 31 January 2006 - 03:48 PM.

[Cory]

Haha, gone are the days of true conquest. A pity!

I have it set in my mind, the romantization of Empire and of Conquest, so thus, yes, I do love the concept of war.

Of course, on the practical standpoint, wars are tremendous boosts to technologies, and post-war economies (if you win) are normally extraordinary, unless something bad goes down, like the Depression.

I swear to you Casilla one of these days I am going to marry you. I wish I was as smart as you though. You seem to have the exact same views as I do, except you are smart enough to put them into words and sentences that actually make since. To bad you don't live closer to me. I would come over and get you to educate me.

Ok then Hitler you can have Poland, Czechlovakia, Austria, INFACT take any damn country you want.

If anyone gets my point, you can't just sit around letting people do what they want. War is necassary. And Vietnam was useful for one thing, good war movies.

Hmmm where is that quote from? I know I have read it somewhere. except for the in fact part, I don't remember that section. War is necessary and Vietnam was useful for more then just good movies, although Full Metal Jacket is the best god damn movie ever made, it also brought about a good idea but at the wrong time.

War is necassary for many reasons, dictatorships are the main cause as we can see in Iraw, and sure you may say the reason the US invaded was the oil, but how comes we haven't invaded other Oil infested lands like Saudia Arabia, Venezuela, Kuwait, Iran, Russia and the like.

And I'd be wary about the USA being the most forceful country in the world, I'd watch out for sneaky old China if I was you. China have a higher population, a faster growing economy and a fast growing miliatry and have quite a few western and eastern allies.

War of course in many opinion is a bad thing as people die, but like alot of people say "You have to break a few eggs to make an omlette". People die for the greater etc, let's just say if there was a purposeful war in my country, I'd join up. I'd very much doubt any of the modern day hippies on this site would

We weren't put on this planet to sit back and be pushed around. If we need to fight for our freedom then fight we shall. If Canada is ever in threat of invasion, I can only hope that my countries people will take up the fight.

All these damn hippies can say all they like, because if it wasn't for the actual brave people of their countries fighting for them, they wouldn't have the right to complain as they do.

Frizzle's right. Usa times as the power of the world is passing. China is rising. If Canada didn't have such a screwed up government (We give billions of dollars to our minorities becuase these asshole liberals can't stand up for whats right), we could be another uprising power, if only economically.

I don't think the point that frizzle was trying to make is that China is going to become the next super power. I just think he was trying to say that they are growing at a astonishing rate. The US has many more decades/centuries before we even come close to falling.

As many people don't see fit, the US is here to help out everyone else. Pyke what do you think would happen if Canada was invaded by China? Yall would get yalls ass handed too you on a platter. The US wouldn't stand by and let that happen for two reasons. One because we just care to much and would always help out our allies. Two because we would be too close to the danger.



So my opinion is that war is a necessary event. In my opinion there has never been a battle that didn't have a reason. Some say its because people are ignorant. How easy would it have been for everyone to lay down there weapons in Iraq and just let us come in and invade? it would have prevented war, but at what cost. Its our job to realize what we are fighting for and the governments job to figure out when we are going to fight for it.

WWII snapped us out of the Great Depression.
So far, I do not disagree with the government's decisions or motives behind any of the wars. I believe all were justified, even Vietnam, Korea, and Iraq.

EDIT:
Almost forgot to mention, I'll be joining the Army after I graduate high school.

Yes World War II snapped us out of the Great Depression but many people contribute the Great Depression to the after effects of World War I

[RandomNameIgnoreIt]

It is quite necessary... As a matter of fact, I believe the threat of war is often able to prevent war. If we all turned into deer, and one lion were to arise, we would all be torn down. The potential for war keeps those who aspire to conquer in check (and trust me, those kind of people will always be around, no matter the utopian society you throw them into) and prevents them from shaking things up too much.

And as the potential for war must exist, so must war itself, sometimes. Of course there are better alternatives, but when the time for action comes, it must be done.

edit: And I would also like to add that sometime in the future, maybe not soon, but sometime, we will see another great conquerer. In today's world it can be accomplished, but by different means. The next great conquerer will for awhile be known as one of the world's greatest peacemakers, but in truth he is smart, and knows that the easiest way to take an opponent is to make them lay down their arms in peace.

Edited by BrknPhoenix, 31 January 2006 - 10:33 PM.

[Cory]

Yes, the best alternative war is the threat of war. Presence is the biggest part of any military strategy as well as police officers strategies. *one of my medifores* If your driving 90 down the road on a street who's speed limit is 45 and you see a cop on the side of the road, what do you do? You slow down of course. You will probably get a ticket, but your still going to slow down just in case he didn't see you. The same goes with military. If you are a terrorist and are about to jump on a plane with a box cutter and you know that there is a armed us marshal on board chances are high that you will either CENSORED out or just say well CENSORED that. If a country sees that you are stronger and willing to fight they will almost always back down.

Your view on the future conqueror is pretty unique. It has some logistical reasoning behind it and would like to see that.

[darkmaster]

no war is not nessicary, they should use words to solve stuff not guns and kill inocint people

[RandomNameIgnoreIt]

no war is not nessicary, they should use words to solve stuff not guns and kill inocint people

What if someone is killing innocent people and won't stop no matter how nicely you ask? Would you risk killing more innocent people to save others, or let the innocent people continue to die as they would have normally?

[Sakura]

What if someone is killing innocent people and won't stop no matter how nicely you ask? Would you risk killing more innocent people to save others, or let the innocent people continue to die as they would have normally?

You know what? I like you. A lot.
Good job, Tet.