How did this post help the debate again?
I already said sorry for flaming.
Disregard then, I was mainly aiming to respond to that -Reads the rest-
Posted 02 January 2006 - 07:24 PM
How did this post help the debate again?
I already said sorry for flaming.
Posted 02 January 2006 - 07:26 PM
Posted 02 January 2006 - 07:30 PM
u person...she was the one HAND CHOSEN BY GOD.I think that would be PRETTY DAMN special.she raised jesus and guided him in his early stages even though jesus figure out alot of his stuff by himself.god sent his angel gabriel to her personally to ask her to bear his child.That's not horrible. That's reality. Mary does not have anything special then any other person in heaven. Does that mean I can ask my great grandpa for guidance too?
Posted 02 January 2006 - 07:30 PM
That's not horrible. That's reality. Mary does not have anything special then any other person in heaven. Does that mean I can ask my great grandpa for guidance too?
Posted 02 January 2006 - 07:30 PM
That's not horrible. That's reality. Mary does not have anything special then any other person in heaven. Does that mean I can ask my great grandpa for guidance too?
If you knew anything about the mormons you would not be talking nicely about them. I would suggest the book "The God Makers". It released all the diry pagan details behind mormanism. What's funny is the mormons tried to get it banned because they were already losing half their church. It's banned in Utah period, really funny how one religion can fall to one book.
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Posted 02 January 2006 - 07:38 PM
but he didnt did he?god chose mary no one else.wats done is done.she was the chosen one.and god SAYS that everything that happens is in HIS will so chosing MARY was IN HIS WIll,therefore Mary was just not some randomly picked personNot true once again. If there was no mary, he could of chose John's mother to bear it. He could of choose 10000 of the other women at the time.
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Posted 02 January 2006 - 07:39 PM
Actually the angel came to Joseph, who in return listned and took mary with him. So is he a saint too? While I'm at it, should I start naming the 1000+ people in the bible that also would deserve saint hood according to you?
And Mary didn't teach Jesus anything, it wasn't by himself, it was God. He's the son of God, obviously he may know a thing or two
I never saw a WWMD. There are no saints in christianity, the only person you can contact through prayer is Jesus and Jesus ONLY.
Not true once again. If there was no mary, he could of chose John's mother to bear it. He could of choose 10000 of the other women at the time.
Mormons don't believe in the same Jesus. They see him as a 'man', not a divine being.
Posted 02 January 2006 - 07:45 PM
Posted 02 January 2006 - 07:49 PM
....... I'm not denying him. Please read more of my posts than what you want to.Actually, children that lack the capability to understand God goto heaven anyways, so your point is meaningless. Now it would count, you obviously have enough intelligence to understand how He works, and here you are denying Him.
If you knew anything about the mormons you would not be talking nicely about them. I would suggest the book "The God Makers". It released all the diry pagan details behind mormanism. What's funny is the mormons tried to get it banned because they were already losing half their church. It's banned in Utah period, really funny how one religion can fall to one book.
Also let me point back to my Kindess factor again. About our God being that mean. You never did answer that.
Yes, actually, Joseph is a saint. as are many many other thousands of good people. Everyone in heaven is a Saint in Catholicism - that's the definitions, if I'm not very mistaken.Actually the angel came to Joseph, who in return listned and took mary with him. So is he a saint too? While I'm at it, should I start naming the 1000+ people in the bible that also would deserve saint hood according to you?
And Mary didn't teach Jesus anything, it wasn't by himself, it was God. He's the son of God, obviously he may know a thing or two
I never saw a WWMD. There are no saints in christianity, the only person you can contact through prayer is Jesus and Jesus ONLY.
Not true once again. If there was no mary, he could of chose John's mother to bear it. He could of choose 10000 of the other women at the time.
Mormons don't believe in the same Jesus. They see him as a 'man', not a divine being. Please do me a favor and go read up on mormons, im sure you will be overwhelmingly shocked at some of the stuff they do, then come back and share some correct information.
President Gordon B. Hinckley, Liahona and Ensign, Dec. 2005, 2–6
"We do not worship the Prophet [Joseph]. We worship God our Eternal Father and the risen Lord Jesus Christ. But we acknowledge the Prophet; we proclaim him; we respect him; we reverence him as an instrument in the hands of the Almighty in restoring to the earth the ancient truths of the divine gospel, together with the priesthood."
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Posted 02 January 2006 - 07:58 PM
Are we Christians? Yes!
Latter-day Saints believe in Christ as the Savior, the Redeemer, the Son of God, the Creator of the earth, and the only source of salvation. It is His love and grace that give meaning to life and hope to humanity. We believe in the Bible, which plainly teaches that Christ is our Savior and that all men must repent and come unto Christ to be saved. Some critics proclaim that Mormons are not Christians and don't believe in Christ. I really don't like other people telling me what I believe! As a Latter-day Saint, I have been taught, and have personally chosen, to accept Christ as my Savior. I am taught to follow Him, to rely on His love, and to feast on His word. I know that real Mormons are Christians. We worship Christ and covenant to follow Him. We are baptized in His name to follow Him, we partake of the sacrament (the holy communion) weekly to remember the sacrifice of His blood and to remember His victory over death, we pray to the Father in His name, and we strive to obey Him, knowing that it is only through His merits and grace that we are saved. He is constantly held up in our meetings as our Savior, our Redeemer, our Lord, and the author of our faith and our salvation. We believe that He stands at the head of His living Church, leading it as in days of old through revelation to His prophets and apostles. The Christ we worship is the living Christ, the Son of God, foretold in the Old Testament, revealed in the New Testament, and affirmed in The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.
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Posted 02 January 2006 - 08:12 PM
Excuse me? What are these lies being spread about Mormons?!
Mormons believe in Jesus. Are you crazy? They're Jesus fanatics. The Catholics don't hold a torch to Mormon fanatics.
I absolutely despise the Mormon hate that is out there. If you've ever met a Mormon, you'd know it that everything you read about them is a complete and utter lie.
Mormons are the nicest, most generous people I have ever met. They partake in community service more than any other Christian youth group, they routinely give up their salaries to charity, they are extremely nice people...and what's even more, I have met very few haters in that religion. They are extremely tolerant of other people's beliefs.
Alias, do not believe everything you read on the Internet. The Mormons are very nice, and furthermore, God-fearing people. They believe in Jesus, there is no doubt about that.
Posted 02 January 2006 - 08:17 PM
... How many versions of the Christian Bible are there? How many Books have been added and thrown out - mainly becuase they hold most of the same information and are redundant, but that isn't all the reasons.
Your God is unforgiving, I don't care what you say. Mormons mean well and their 'sin' is a mistake. Why will God look upon their well-meant mistakes with contempt and send them to hell for it.
Seriously, answer me honestly. It is my understanding that God only sends people to hell (by the way wasn't Hell never mentioned anywhere in the Bible until Revelations, which was added on rather randomly? someone enlighten me on this subject, I heard of it in passing) by Consciously rejecting his love and returning it with hate and spite. Other religions do not consciously reject God! They merely think other thinks are more convincing or are misled. They don't mean to be 'evil' or 'bad' or to spite God, in fact, they hold Christians in high esteem (when select Christians aren't being douches) and respect their faith. Why will God damn them, Alias?
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Posted 02 January 2006 - 10:36 PM
Ahh!
But Hell isn't mentioned in the Hebrew Bible, nor does Jesus talk about it.
WHERE DOES HELL COME FROM?!
And Jillian, I forget where it says this, but it says somewhere in the New Testament that if you have never heard of God or Jesus, then you are presented with the option at death, and if you accept, you go to Heaven, if you die, you do not.
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There's something called purgatory where all unbaptised christians and anyone who has not heard the name of God to. It's like the middle between Hell and Heaven.
Posted 03 January 2006 - 02:22 PM
Yea, but only Catholics believe in Purgatory and Limbo. It isn't technically canon. Some Prostestants believe in it, too, but most don't.
Posted 03 January 2006 - 04:11 PM
ouch jillian...y does everyone hate catholics and mormons.im a catholic and when I go to my catholic church I see nothing that would offend others in what we do.and yes like some people said,mormons are guud folk.one of my previous neighbours were mormon and I felt bad to them for the discipline they had to live in life.they have all these strict rules to live by and I heard one of them was to not get rich.yes I debate the roots and beginnings of their religion but they shudn't b hated.I'm going to bed. First I'll pray God smites all the heathens though, especially those damned Mormons and Catholics. Cheers.
even though I am catholic I don't believe in the fact that if u dont believe in God u will go to a place called hell and burn in fiery flames.that would make the religion look like some kind of Totalitarian government where u follow all the rules or else.I believe every1 will go to sum sort of heaven correspondin to their religion..lol sounds funny but its one of my new ideas.sometimes I wonder y there would b a heaven at all....a place to go after we die...y not just let us live forever? I mean yes there are alot of sinful people in the world that dont deserve to live imo but y would God make people that include sinners and let them die and let the good ones go to a sacred place?it would seem like a weedin out process.y not just make everybody without evil in their hearts?yes I am catholic but I like many others catholics and other types of religions,I tend to question God and how he works...sometimes I wonder if there even is a God.like other people have said,ur faith is what will drive u in the end.Yea, but only Catholics believe in Purgatory and Limbo. It isn't technically canon. Some Prostestants believe in it, too, but most don't.
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