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[volycz]

Have people ead the book "The Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chang? Its disguisting reading about what the Japanese did to the people of that town. The things they did were just as bad, if not worse, than what the Nazis did to the Jews in the Holocaust! I don't know about the events you named in detail, but the Japanese did some pretty terrible stuff. The worst thing is that most of Japan doesn't even recognize what they did in WW2. A lot of Japanese people don't even believe it happened and think that Chinese people are lying about it. Their government censored educational textbooks to specifically leave out that particular event (the rape of Nanking) and those who do admitt to Japan's wrongdoings think that the amount of people they tortured and mutilated was so small that it doesn't even matter; when, in fact, it was a huge number of people. I can understand that Chinese people should try and forgive Japan for their war crimes because its a new generation and people change, but I mean they don't even admitt that they did anything wrong and call Chinese people liars. I mean, Come On! Atleast Germany (as a country, not saying there aren't individual Germans who think the Holocaust was a movie trick) acknowledges what they did during the Holocaust.

[Sakura]

There is no concrete proof that it happened. There's no way to know who is right.

Even if it were true, that's just as stupid as when African Americans say they should be given money because the whites enslaved them. (That was a project put out like 8 years ago) You and I know that I, myself, did not enslave my nextdoor neighbor, not even my parents, my grandparents, or greatgrandparents.

It was terrible, both scenarios, but it is in the past. It's ridiculous to hold a grudge like that.

[cara]

It was terrible, both scenarios, but it is in the past. It's ridiculous to hold a grudge like that.

100 percent agreed.
Not all Japanese did that , and hating them so is just .. Silly.

[Frizzle]

There is proof that it happened. Eyewitness accounts, photographs and video's filmed by Europeans on site when it happened.

[Vegas]

I remember seeing some pictures of what some japs did in the war and how they tortured their pows but I unno if it's anyway related 2 what ur talking about.if they tortured and killed civilians that would b really bad.
but obviously it was only some jap soldiers so holding a grudge against all of japan would seem foolish and unfair.people need 2 stop dwellin in the past and start to try makin the future better and so japan and china shud stop bickerin whether it was true or not and concentrate on makin the relationship between the countries better to prevent future wars based on grudges

[Mr. Hobo]

If it is true they do have grounds to hate them on but holding onto a grudge this long is pointless as most of the war criminals are dead. If Japan decides to admit to doing those crimes and apologizes then China should forgive them. If Japan continues to deny that it happened and refuse to apologize then China should hold out for an apology.

[Tetiel]

There is no concrete proof that it happened. There's no way to know who is right.

Sorry Sakura... but that's like saying the Holocaust doesn't exist... :\

Anywho... with the rest of your points I agree. Their children were NOT responsible for something their grandparents or great grandparents did so... why hate them, really? It's not their fault...

[Ives]

The chinese dislike the Japanese because the Japanese believe in assisting the Us for economic purposes in the Middle east. The idea if Iraq is democracy then the countries in the middle east will slowly become a democracy and become rich, selling oil cheaper and faster to the US. The Japanese don't have a good economy right now so their "trump card" is trying to help America so they can get some profit.

And besides that, The Chinese are pissed off at the prime minister, not Emperor Heisei (I forget the emperors real name, but he came after hirohito(Showa) so therefore I call him emperor heisei). That's because the Prime minister is making general lies to Japan and other Countries for his own benefits, causing economy to go up in japan, but still lying a lot compared to the previous prime minister.

[hoju]

Have people ead the book "The Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chang? Its disguisting reading about what the Japanese did to the people of that town. The things they did were just as bad, if not worse, than what the Nazis did to the Jews in the Holocaust! I don't know about the events you named in detail, but the Japanese did some pretty terrible stuff. The worst thing is that most of Japan doesn't even recognize what they did in WW2. A lot of Japanese people don't even believe it happened and think that Chinese people are lying about it. Their government censored educational textbooks to specifically leave out that particular event (the rape of Nanking) and those who do admitt to Japan's wrongdoings think that the amount of people they tortured and mutilated was so small that it doesn't even matter; when, in fact, it was a huge number of people. I can understand that Chinese people should try and forgive Japan for their war crimes because its a new generation and people change, but I mean they don't even admitt that they did anything wrong and call Chinese people liars. I mean, Come On! Atleast Germany (as a country, not saying there aren't individual Germans who think the Holocaust was a movie trick) acknowledges what they did during the Holocaust.

Why do you even bring this topic up?

I say this should be closed.

[Sakura]

Sorry Sakura... but that's like saying the Holocaust doesn't exist... :\

Anywho... with the rest of your points I agree. Their children were NOT responsible for something their grandparents or great grandparents did so... why hate them, really? It's not their fault...

Not really, there was evidence of the Holocaust, we have the pictures of the torture and gas chambers, we have written commands to troops, etc.. In this case we have a few photos of Japanese troops in the area. That's it. The topic is moot though.
The question was, right or wrong to hate? Well HMM, that's a tough one.

[volycz]

Japanese textbooks and media does not acknowlegde the existence of the Rape of Nanking. They portrayed themselves as the victims. Telling the traditional Chinese people to forget and forgive is equlivant to ask Saddam, Arafat, and Sharon to shake hands -- it's impossible since Arafat is DEAD.
innocent ppl (we're not even talking about soldiers) were killed, tortured to death, raped over and over again, used as sex slaves. yes, it was war and everyone had their own tactics and apparently, the japanese's tactics was to kill and torture babies, kids, women, men who were not involved in the war. do u not see just how wrong that is? Yes, when war strikes, usually those who suffer the most are the innocent civilians, but not usually to this extent...unless of course, if u were jewish or chinese. these ppl were killed and tortured because of their race. this was a massacre. the japanese had wanted to wipe out the whole race in the worst possible way just because they felt superior. their INTENTION was to kill and torture because they thought they didn't deserve to live. Now, how right is that???
it's really a matter of simple justice. for example, if somebody u knew was murdered, tortured and raped (*touch wood*) and YOU knew that they had suffered in the worst way possible before their death, would u not want justice for them? would u not hope that the murderer be put to justice? even if it took years and years and years later, say for example, the murderer is still freely roaming the streets, deep down, would you not hope that s/he is caught? If s/he was caught, but say, it has been 10 yrs since what had happened, would you say, oh, let's just forget about it, since it's been 10 yrs anyway? if the murderer insisted s/he didn't do anything, but you knew s/he did, would u just forget about it because it's been 10 yrs anyway?
It's all about a sincere apology.. from the japanese government.
p.s I'm not in anyway against japan as I love there culture now and there anime etc..

[Tetiel]

Japanese textbooks and media does not acknowlegde the existence of the Rape of Nanking.

That happened in only one textbook that is not even widely used whatsoever...

[Noitidart]

Yeah man I heard about what happend in history class. It is really grusome but it was by a total different generation I think we should all move on and be happy

[RandomNameIgnoreIt]

Not really, there was evidence of the Holocaust, we have the pictures of the torture and gas chambers, we have written commands to troops, etc.. In this case we have a few photos of Japanese troops in the area. That's it. The topic is moot though.
The question was, right or wrong to hate? Well HMM, that's a tough one.

Want pictures? Google images "rape of nanking" will get you plenty

[soulforger]

Germany acknowledges what they did during the Holocaust and apology.

Japan deny the truth, instead, tried modify the history/ mislead the young generation to believe they're victim of war.

Yeah. It's all about a sincere apology.. from Japs government.

[Bão]

Sorry to interupt with such random questions, but do you guys know who the Hmong people are? I was just reading some stuff on them and it seems nobody has really heard of them.

[Bahbuu]

That happened in only one textbook that is not even widely used whatsoever...

yes.. but the thing is... the government permited them to do so... or so I thought?