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#1 |nfinite

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 10:29 AM

http://video.google....&q=loose change

This is a documentary about what really happened on 9/11.

It's tough to swallow, but there is evidence that prooves that 9/11 was fake.

Discuss what YOU believe.

Edited by |nfinite, 23 February 2006 - 12:58 AM.


#2 Christopher Robin

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 11:17 AM

its real O_o

#3 Archon

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 11:50 AM

Edit: Bleh.. I'm just not going to say anything at all.

Edited by Archon, 22 February 2006 - 11:59 AM.


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Posted 22 February 2006 - 12:11 PM

LOL I went to that link and there was a porn video :p Anyways, I think it was real.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 12:13 PM

How can anyone say 9/11 was fake? There's proof that the planes went into the buildings. If the video was about the pentagon attack, then that could be debated, by only conspiracy theorists.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 12:52 PM

LOL I went to that link and there was a porn video :p Anyways, I think it was real.


No porn for me. Maybe you have a browser hijacker.

I can't find what you're looking for. This is what showed up:

Octopus Eats Shark
2 min 24 sec

Pizza Hut: Jessica Simpson
30 sec

Ghostrider Z3 M Coupe Chase -Preview
14 min 51 sec

Little Michael Jackson
1 min 33 sec



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Posted 22 February 2006 - 01:13 PM

I get the most popular videos O_o

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 01:49 PM

9/11 was real. some relative I dindt know died

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 03:00 PM

9/11 is just as real as tupac getting shot. it was seen by many people, but many like to speculate if it was real or set up.

#10 Bryan

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 03:06 PM

So you're telling me the heart of an entire city just magically disappeared o-O

People didn't jump 200 Stories to their death...
Thousands of Families now come home with no one to talk to...



Oh... don't get me started...

#11 Alex

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 03:30 PM

The link is broken dude.
Is it this one
I watched 5 minutes but its really good...We cant really know if its true though.
http://video.google....&q=loose change?

Edit: thats an amazing video. So much footage I've never seen before....And it all makes sense now. I suspected this all along.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 03:45 PM

Watching it now... writing about it's flaws as I watch. Which of course I'll post after. I see no proof of anything yet.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 04:16 PM

Well, I already told you what I thought about this in MSN, Alex. I've seen that movie before.

The idea is that instead of Osama bin Laden, the Bushes & Co. did 9/11 in order to start a war in the Middle East, and blamed it on the poor Muslim extremists.

The movie bases its conclusions on, really, speculation that it passes off as fact. It's funny, really, how convincing one side of an argument can seem when you only hear that one side. It's even more convincing when it's such a poor quality of investigative journalism as that movie is. Snide voice-over and all.

9/11 was not a set-up. The only thing reasonably suspicious about the whole deal was whether or not a missle hit the Pentagon, but NOT whether or not the Pentagon planned and executed it. I have a friend in the FBI - yes, there was definitely a plane down Pennsylvania - there was no mistaking that. Yes, airliner planes hit the towers, and NO there were not bombs in the base of the tower.

Why did it fall so perfectly, then? Well, it didn't. It fell at a diagonal. But from a side perspective, it LOOKs like it fell straight down. And that's a good thing, really, that's what those buildings are meant to do. There are weakpoints in the structural support to influence the collapse of a building so that it just doesn't fall all over the place. And also, physics helped - it wouldn't make sense for a building to just fall over sideways. =P

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 04:19 PM

Alright, I made it like 35 minutes in before giving up. I'm tired, I need some sleep. There's no good proof in this. Don't be gullible. Anyone can sound like they know what they're talking about, but you have to actually think about it for a second and do a little research before citing it as absolute proof of something.

*The quotes at the beginning merely show that different people see things differently depending on what perspective they have. People think different things. Big surprise.

*Next it quotes old reports from an administration long gone, and they are things that never even occured. Can be completely disregarded. It's just Bull**** trying to put you in the right mindset to believe anything.

*It then proceeds to look at old articles that say things that could easily be chalked up to coincidence. But this dude acts like it's some sort of "A-HA! I GOT YOU NOW!"

*John Ashcroft flying on charter jets has nothing to do with anything.

*An unverifiable claim that a CIA agent visited Osama bin Laden. If that were true, the douche that made this video wouldn't be the first one talking about it.

*Notes to large stock transactions and purchases of insurance policies, without any information on how frequent these are at any given time.

*NORAD was in the middle of exercises on Sept. 11th? WELL JESUS CHRIST THEY ARE EVERY DAY, NO S***!

*14 fighter jets to protect the United States on Sept 11th... so what? Can you tell me how many occasions prior and post Sept. 11th we've needed fighter jets ANYWHERE? It stands to reason 14 is quite enough, considering the chances of them having to do anything are almost nil.

*Following, there's many audio clips of people saying "it wasn't a plane", or "it was a missile."

These were random douchebags on the street that have no credibility. The reliability of eye witnesses, especially in a situation like this, is quite small. For every slacktard that said it looked like a missile, there's no doubt a hundred people that thought it looked just like a plane flying into a building, which it was.

*Quotes from a pilot saying that the plane would have went into a stall and crashed if they tried to make the turns they did. ...They did crash. What's the problem?

*Why is there no trace of flight 77 in photos after hitting the pentagon? Because it went inside the building. Derp.

*One crazy broad says men in suits visited her at the hospital and tried to manipulate her? All of a sudden her word is golden? Or do you suppose the boogie men in black successfully made everyone shut up but her.

*Blah blah blah, a bunch of crap about technical airplane stuff. He can cite all the dumb facts he wants, it doesn't change the fact that we don't see this type of thing on a regular basis.... Or EVER. One crash isn't another crash. Find me all the documented cases of fully loaded fueled boeing jets hitting huge buildings and if it takes more than one hand to count them, I'll give you a million dollars right now. Yet magically this documentary film maker is a super expert on planes crashing into buildings.

*More crap about eyewitness accounts and missiles and explosions. Eyewitnesses are NOT reliable. This is a well documented fact. I'll find the experiments and statistics if you really want them.

*During 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld was in... GASP! HIS OFFICE?!?! STOP THE PRESSES! THERE'S YOUR PROOF! THE MAN WAS IN HIS OFFICE!

*xD! This guy just said about the other building that collapses besdies the twin towers... "If the building collapses because of fire, it'd only be the third in history to do so. The other two? The twin towers." We watched the building slowly collapses, and we've seen the scientists talk about why the building buckled due to the intense heat. This douchebag comparing the third collapse to the first two, which are completely logical, makes the third completely logical as well. What an expert he is.

*The light pole crap. Okay, so what if in another plane crash the light poles bent instead of being pulled out. Different planes, different circumstances, doesn't matter. Once again, this doesn't happen every freakin' day. If you have an ounce of sense in you, you know not every car crash is exactly the same, not every accident is always the same. DAMN THIS IS STUPID WHY AM I WATCHING IT?!

*So some guys carried a box out of the pentagon with a tarp over it out. The stuff in the pentagon is SECRET. A DURRRRRRRRR, IT'S THE PENTAGON

*This guy is retarded. Fin

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 04:41 PM

Alright, I made it like 35 minutes in before giving up. I'm tired, I need some sleep. There's no good proof in this. Don't be gullible. Anyone can sound like they know what they're talking about, but you have to actually think about it for a second and do a little research before citing it as absolute proof of something.

*The quotes at the beginning merely show that different people see things differently depending on what perspective they have. People think different things. Big surprise.

*Next it quotes old reports from an administration long gone, and they are things that never even occured. Can be completely disregarded. It's just Bull**** trying to put you in the right mindset to believe anything.

*It then proceeds to look at old articles that say things that could easily be chalked up to coincidence. But this dude acts like it's some sort of "A-HA! I GOT YOU NOW!"

*John Ashcroft flying on charter jets has nothing to do with anything.

*An unverifiable claim that a CIA agent visited Osama bin Laden. If that were true, the douche that made this video wouldn't be the first one talking about it.

*Notes to large stock transactions and purchases of insurance policies, without any information on how frequent these are at any given time.

*NORAD was in the middle of exercises on Sept. 11th? WELL JESUS CHRIST THEY ARE EVERY DAY, NO S***!

*14 fighter jets to protect the United States on Sept 11th... so what? Can you tell me how many occasions prior and post Sept. 11th we've needed fighter jets ANYWHERE? It stands to reason 14 is quite enough, considering the chances of them having to do anything are almost nil.

*Following, there's many audio clips of people saying "it wasn't a plane", or "it was a missile."

These were random douchebags on the street that have no credibility. The reliability of eye witnesses, especially in a situation like this, is quite small. For every slacktard that said it looked like a missile, there's no doubt a hundred people that thought it looked just like a plane flying into a building, which it was.

*Quotes from a pilot saying that the plane would have went into a stall and crashed if they tried to make the turns they did. ...They did crash. What's the problem?

*Why is there no trace of flight 77 in photos after hitting the pentagon? Because it went inside the building. Derp.

*One crazy broad says men in suits visited her at the hospital and tried to manipulate her? All of a sudden her word is golden? Or do you suppose the boogie men in black successfully made everyone shut up but her.

*Blah blah blah, a bunch of crap about technical airplane stuff. He can cite all the dumb facts he wants, it doesn't change the fact that we don't see this type of thing on a regular basis.... Or EVER. One crash isn't another crash. Find me all the documented cases of fully loaded fueled boeing jets hitting huge buildings and if it takes more than one hand to count them, I'll give you a million dollars right now. Yet magically this documentary film maker is a super expert on planes crashing into buildings.

*More crap about eyewitness accounts and missiles and explosions. Eyewitnesses are NOT reliable. This is a well documented fact. I'll find the experiments and statistics if you really want them.

*During 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld was in... GASP! HIS OFFICE?!?! STOP THE PRESSES! THERE'S YOUR PROOF! THE MAN WAS IN HIS OFFICE!

*xD! This guy just said about the other building that collapses besdies the twin towers... "If the building collapses because of fire, it'd only be the third in history to do so. The other two? The twin towers." We watched the building slowly collapses, and we've seen the scientists talk about why the building buckled due to the intense heat. This douchebag comparing the third collapse to the first two, which are completely logical, makes the third completely logical as well. What an expert he is.

*The light pole crap. Okay, so what if in another plane crash the light poles bent instead of being pulled out. Different planes, different circumstances, doesn't matter. Once again, this doesn't happen every freakin' day. If you have an ounce of sense in you, you know not every car crash is exactly the same, not every accident is always the same. DAMN THIS IS STUPID WHY AM I WATCHING IT?!

*So some guys carried a box out of the pentagon with a tarp over it out. The stuff in the pentagon is SECRET. A DURRRRRRRRR, IT'S THE PENTAGON

*This guy is retarded. Fin



umm.. ditto :thumbsup:

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 05:18 PM

Alright, I made it like 35 minutes in before giving up. I'm tired, I need some sleep. There's no good proof in this. Don't be gullible. Anyone can sound like they know what they're talking about, but you have to actually think about it for a second and do a little research before citing it as absolute proof of something.

*The quotes at the beginning merely show that different people see things differently depending on what perspective they have. People think different things. Big surprise.

*Next it quotes old reports from an administration long gone, and they are things that never even occured. Can be completely disregarded. It's just Bull**** trying to put you in the right mindset to believe anything.

*It then proceeds to look at old articles that say things that could easily be chalked up to coincidence. But this dude acts like it's some sort of "A-HA! I GOT YOU NOW!"

*John Ashcroft flying on charter jets has nothing to do with anything.

*An unverifiable claim that a CIA agent visited Osama bin Laden. If that were true, the douche that made this video wouldn't be the first one talking about it.

*Notes to large stock transactions and purchases of insurance policies, without any information on how frequent these are at any given time.

*NORAD was in the middle of exercises on Sept. 11th? WELL JESUS CHRIST THEY ARE EVERY DAY, NO S***!

*14 fighter jets to protect the United States on Sept 11th... so what? Can you tell me how many occasions prior and post Sept. 11th we've needed fighter jets ANYWHERE? It stands to reason 14 is quite enough, considering the chances of them having to do anything are almost nil.

*Following, there's many audio clips of people saying "it wasn't a plane", or "it was a missile."

These were random douchebags on the street that have no credibility. The reliability of eye witnesses, especially in a situation like this, is quite small. For every slacktard that said it looked like a missile, there's no doubt a hundred people that thought it looked just like a plane flying into a building, which it was.

*Quotes from a pilot saying that the plane would have went into a stall and crashed if they tried to make the turns they did. ...They did crash. What's the problem?

*Why is there no trace of flight 77 in photos after hitting the pentagon? Because it went inside the building. Derp.

*One crazy broad says men in suits visited her at the hospital and tried to manipulate her? All of a sudden her word is golden? Or do you suppose the boogie men in black successfully made everyone shut up but her.

*Blah blah blah, a bunch of crap about technical airplane stuff. He can cite all the dumb facts he wants, it doesn't change the fact that we don't see this type of thing on a regular basis.... Or EVER. One crash isn't another crash. Find me all the documented cases of fully loaded fueled boeing jets hitting huge buildings and if it takes more than one hand to count them, I'll give you a million dollars right now. Yet magically this documentary film maker is a super expert on planes crashing into buildings.

*More crap about eyewitness accounts and missiles and explosions. Eyewitnesses are NOT reliable. This is a well documented fact. I'll find the experiments and statistics if you really want them.

*During 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld was in... GASP! HIS OFFICE?!?! STOP THE PRESSES! THERE'S YOUR PROOF! THE MAN WAS IN HIS OFFICE!

*xD! This guy just said about the other building that collapses besdies the twin towers... "If the building collapses because of fire, it'd only be the third in history to do so. The other two? The twin towers." We watched the building slowly collapses, and we've seen the scientists talk about why the building buckled due to the intense heat. This douchebag comparing the third collapse to the first two, which are completely logical, makes the third completely logical as well. What an expert he is.

*The light pole crap. Okay, so what if in another plane crash the light poles bent instead of being pulled out. Different planes, different circumstances, doesn't matter. Once again, this doesn't happen every freakin' day. If you have an ounce of sense in you, you know not every car crash is exactly the same, not every accident is always the same. DAMN THIS IS STUPID WHY AM I WATCHING IT?!

*So some guys carried a box out of the pentagon with a tarp over it out. The stuff in the pentagon is SECRET. A DURRRRRRRRR, IT'S THE PENTAGON

*This guy is retarded. Fin

How did the airplane go in the Pentagon building? Did you see the size of the hole? Have you seen the size of an aircraft? What would they carry out of the pentagon covered in a tarp? I believe theres no secret weapon testing in the pentagon. Its an office building. If they were carrying out documents they wouldnt cover them in a tarp.

#17 Cam

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 05:25 PM

Yeah I seen this like 2 weeks ago.
It was real the planes did go in and it did fall.

But but Bush planned it.

Or so what I was told.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 05:41 PM

I wish I could find and kill the person who created this whole conspiracy theory.

Why did it fall so perfectly, then? Well, it didn't. It fell at a diagonal. But from a side perspective, it LOOKs like it fell straight down. And that's a good thing, really, that's what those buildings are meant to do. There are weakpoints in the structural support to influence the collapse of a building so that it just doesn't fall all over the place. And also, physics helped - it wouldn't make sense for a building to just fall over sideways. =P


Well, it did fall straight down. The structure collapsed into itself under its own weight coupled with the extreme heat from the fire. The support structure's fire-proofing was shoddy, and as a result the steel beams heated to extreme temperatures, causing it to lose strength and then collapse.

Also, the walls in the tower were drywall, so the explosion flung flying fragments of drywall in every direction. This is what actually tore off much of the fire-proofing foam on the support structure.

So, one could come to the conclusion that had they used a different material for their walls, the tower may not have even collapsed in the first place. It's definitely a possibilty.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 06:00 PM

I believe it was a setup. I believe Osama is a set up as well.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 06:32 PM

Ive heard/seen some rumors about the planes possible not being commercial but I dont beleive the and I certainly dont beleive that 9/11 was fake.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 08:40 PM

*shakes head* Oh ye of little faith... why are people so paranoid? That video from what I have seen of it so far is quite a bit of bull...

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 08:56 PM

Nice job writing that Brkn :thumbsup:

:rolleyes: Conspiracy theorists like this annoy me. I could just as easily say that Antarctica isn't real because I've never seen it before, all pictures of it must actually be of some other snowy place, and pictures from space are just edited.

9/11 is just as real as tupac getting shot. it was seen by many people, but many like to speculate if it was real or set up.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 09:03 PM

The video aside, if all these conspiracy theories were real, someone would have found out already and it'd be all over the news. Why do you think it's little independent films like this that say these things, and not reputable news outlets? Because it's BS.

Unless you want to believe the United States is somehow keeping silent every reasonable person in the world that has access to this footage, the pictures, etc.

There is news footage of planes hitting the world trade center. Multiple news outlets, people on the ground, everybody, came up with planes. The only reason anyone can be assed to make a lame accusation that a missile hit the pentagon is because there's not as much good footage of it.

To believe a missile hit the pentagon, you have to throw all common sense out the damn window. We have footage of planes hitting the WTC. People saw it. We saw it. Everyone saw it. They were planes. Any logical person could then tell you that gee, it was a plane that hit the pentagon too. Considering there were people on the plane's passenger manifest that are now definitely dead. People on the pentagon plane even called out and said what was going on before they died.

Yet some of you throw all that out the window and let yourselves be fooled into thinking a missile did it. Right.

Also, we live in a media and communications age. It's not as easy to hide things as it once was. Are you trying to suggest that the government could set up a terrorist mastermind and trick EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD into thinking that he was real? Pshaw, you give them far too much credit. The same people that think Bush is an idiot apparently also think he is some mind control genius.

Are you telling me that the dozens of major news outlets covering the story, cameras all over the place, reporters out there looking for their big story to make their career, everything out in plain site of civilians...

They faked it. They flew a missile into the pentagon, and the hundreds of thousands in New York missed it. Everybody. Oh, except one or two people that say they saw a missile. Amongst hundreds or thousands. Oh I know, maybe Bush removed all pedestrians and vehicles of civilians from the entire area without ANYONE knowing it, and replaced them all with CIA operatives that would tell the plane story.

Except for the few brave souls that were looked over and really saw the missile, mhm.

Scientists that have access to all sorts of data, and no one of note has any major "A-HA!" evidence it wasn't real.

An entire other HALF of the government that hates the Bush administration and would love to get him impeached. But no, they missed it.

Of course, it's one big shadow government, they put up a guise of disagreement, of being democrats and republicans, solely for the public. They're all really this big evil tyrant committee that sits at a big round table laughing evily and counting their riches won off the labor of the peasants.

Right. We know that's not the case. So either the roughly 50% of the government that doesn't like Bush completely fell asleep on 9/11 and the following months, or for some completely illogical reason, they all unanimously decided to lie for Bush despite hating him.

Yep, everyone in the country fell asleep. Everybody. All the intellectuals, all the Bush haters, all the scientists, all the New Yorkers, everybody. They all missed it. And somehow all these nutty conspiracy theory film makers are the ones that uncovered the lies, and their arguments are soooo convincing and logical that it's astounding no one takes them seriously! </sarcasm>

Edited by BrknPhoenix, 22 February 2006 - 09:04 PM.


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ight. We know that's not the case. So either the roughly 50% of the government that doesn't like Bush completely fell asleep on 9/11 and the following months, or for some completely illogical reason, they all unanimously decided to lie for Bush despite hating him.

Yep, everyone in the country fell asleep. Everybody. All the intellectuals, all the Bush haters, all the scientists, all the New Yorkers, everybody. They all missed it. And somehow all these nutty conspiracy theory film makers are the ones that uncovered the lies, and their arguments are soooo convincing and logical that it's astounding no one takes them seriously! </sarcasm>


The head of the CIA hates Bush, I'll add to this. <grin>

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 09:25 PM

The video aside, if all these conspiracy theories were real, someone would have found out already and it'd be all over the news. Why do you think it's little independent films like this that say these things, and not reputable news outlets? Because it's BS.

Unless you want to believe the United States is somehow keeping silent every reasonable person in the world that has access to this footage, the pictures, etc.

There is news footage of planes hitting the world trade center. Multiple news outlets, people on the ground, everybody, came up with planes. The only reason anyone can be assed to make a lame accusation that a missile hit the pentagon is because there's not as much good footage of it.

To believe a missile hit the pentagon, you have to throw all common sense out the damn window. We have footage of planes hitting the WTC. People saw it. We saw it. Everyone saw it. They were planes. Any logical person could then tell you that gee, it was a plane that hit the pentagon too. Considering there were people on the plane's passenger manifest that are now definitely dead. People on the pentagon plane even called out and said what was going on before they died.

Yet some of you throw all that out the window and let yourselves be fooled into thinking a missile did it. Right.

Also, we live in a media and communications age. It's not as easy to hide things as it once was. Are you trying to suggest that the government could set up a terrorist mastermind and trick EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD into thinking that he was real? Pshaw, you give them far too much credit. The same people that think Bush is an idiot apparently also think he is some mind control genius.

Are you telling me that the dozens of major news outlets covering the story, cameras all over the place, reporters out there looking for their big story to make their career, everything out in plain site of civilians...

They faked it. They flew a missile into the pentagon, and the hundreds of thousands in New York missed it. Everybody. Oh, except one or two people that say they saw a missile. Amongst hundreds or thousands. Oh I know, maybe Bush removed all pedestrians and vehicles of civilians from the entire area without ANYONE knowing it, and replaced them all with CIA operatives that would tell the plane story.

Except for the few brave souls that were looked over and really saw the missile, mhm.

Scientists that have access to all sorts of data, and no one of note has any major "A-HA!" evidence it wasn't real.

An entire other HALF of the government that hates the Bush administration and would love to get him impeached. But no, they missed it.

Of course, it's one big shadow government, they put up a guise of disagreement, of being democrats and republicans, solely for the public. They're all really this big evil tyrant committee that sits at a big round table laughing evily and counting their riches won off the labor of the peasants.

Right. We know that's not the case. So either the roughly 50% of the government that doesn't like Bush completely fell asleep on 9/11 and the following months, or for some completely illogical reason, they all unanimously decided to lie for Bush despite hating him.

Yep, everyone in the country fell asleep. Everybody. All the intellectuals, all the Bush haters, all the scientists, all the New Yorkers, everybody. They all missed it. And somehow all these nutty conspiracy theory film makers are the ones that uncovered the lies, and their arguments are soooo convincing and logical that it's astounding no one takes them seriously! </sarcasm>

And yet a few months ago everyone was asleep on the fact that Bush's administration was spying domestically. Well look at that now.
Not that hard to keep a secret is it?

What about Nixon and Watergate? What was that before it was confirmed? Not a conspiracy theory?

I understand where you are coming from, and a lot of things in the video trully are far fetched. However, 9/11 did give Bush the exact leverage needed for him to do anything he pretty much wanted.


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