So basically I got a little fired up from two things today. One in the post that said everyone hates America becuase we act like everyone's mother and the other when a friend at work started talking about how America sucks becuase we won't mind our business.
So basically a while back I was watching CNN *yes a very liberal site* and a lady came on who was with some radical church group who is anti war. Normally I would say that if it wasn't for our government then she wouldn't even be able to stand up for her rights, but I am so far past that. We are now in the 2000's and a lot of the world is going over to freedom. Her reasoning for anti war was because of several things.
1) False Proof
2) Oil and
3) We need to mind our own.
I could go for one and could even go for two but come on. Half the world tells us to mind our own business, but when something like a car bombing happens or a tsunami or anything else that requires money they are asking for our help. Then when ever it has to do with well being of our own country everyone else says to mind our own business. Yes our well being may be majority oil, but it is still our well being.
So what do you think about America and how we should mind our own business?
Should we help out or should we stay out. It isn't possible to do both. It just seems that the same people who wish we would mind our business are the first people to throw their hands out asking for cash when ever one of their federal cars need an oil change. God forbid us do anything for anyone else though.
Looking back on history I think their has only been one or two countries who actually denied the US's help.
It is just frustrating hearing people who think one thing but act differently.
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America is the World's Mother
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, Jun 16 2006 10:11 PM
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Posted 16 June 2006 - 10:14 PM
i wouldnt say we need to mind our own business but rather than go off to fix other countries, i say we need to fix the many problems at home first...as an american president, that should be Bush's first priority - fix the problems of america and not other countries.
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Posted 16 June 2006 - 10:37 PM
Hydrogen, on Jun 17 2006, 01:14 AM, said:
i wouldnt say we need to mind our own business but rather than go off to fix other countries, i say we need to fix the many problems at home first...as an american president, that should be Bush's first priority - fix the problems of america and not other countries.
With tht exception that you want to finish off what daddy started.
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Posted 16 June 2006 - 10:39 PM
America has grown into more than just a country though. It is the world leader now, and with that great abilities come great responsibility. *yeah I love marvel*
We have so many problems, but our problems are not anything compared to other countries.
We have so many problems, but our problems are not anything compared to other countries.
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Posted 16 June 2006 - 10:47 PM
australia > america
Edited by Lemonblood, 16 June 2006 - 11:05 PM.
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Posted 16 June 2006 - 10:50 PM
Marine, on Jun 16 2006, 11:39 PM, said:
America has grown into more than just a country though. It is the world leader now, and with that great abilities come great responsibility. *yeah I love marvel*
We have so many problems, but our problems are not anything compared to other countries.
We have so many problems, but our problems are not anything compared to other countries.
Really. Fix the problems at home first. They aren't the smallest issues. We have high levels of corruption within our government and especially in the republican party (recent news) and there is no accountability (Rove).
Seriously. America has issues and we need to fix them before we go and "help" others. Also watch this: Mission Accomplished
Lemonblood, on Jun 16 2006, 11:47 PM, said:
australia > america >
Never America is too cool 
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Posted 16 June 2006 - 11:37 PM
AliasXNeo, on Jun 17 2006, 02:33 AM, said:
Fix our own country, then help. Fix our country and you could double the support when we go and help other country's.
Lemonblood: America could sink Australia in a few days LOL
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Lemonblood: America could sink Australia in a few days LOL
[/jk]I think you underestimate America.
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Posted 16 June 2006 - 11:37 PM
Its alot like the half life seires, we are the rebels, and we WILL win in the end. America sucks,
#10
Posted 17 June 2006 - 12:27 AM
America is full of assholes, which is why I love this country. They could be in Africa starving, but they sit on their pool deck and talk to their slovene business client about how america doesnt suck, it's just the fuckhead president that runs it whos ruining it.
Edited by Bruce Rastivakian, 17 June 2006 - 12:30 AM.
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 03:07 AM
Depends on the situation, if there's a war between two groups in a country, let them sort it out by themselves, if there's a dictator like Saddam f*cking things up for people, get in there and get him out.
Seriously if I was Bush I'd be like "Yea well Saddams a dickhead so we had to get him out, I lied. So sue me."
Seriously if I was Bush I'd be like "Yea well Saddams a dickhead so we had to get him out, I lied. So sue me."
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 03:11 AM
Frizzle, on Jun 17 2006, 04:07 AM, said:
Depends on the situation, if there's a war between two groups in a country, let them sort it out by themselves, if there's a dictator like Saddam f*cking things up for people, get in there and get him out.
Seriously if I was Bush I'd be like "Yea well Saddams a dickhead so we had to get him out, I lied. So sue me."
Seriously if I was Bush I'd be like "Yea well Saddams a dickhead so we had to get him out, I lied. So sue me."
Yeah, but the media is doing it gradually needs to do it gradually if they want to cash out.
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 03:25 AM
I've said this before, and you'll read this and probably think I'm just delusional...
Fact: America is the world's only superpower, and she does what she needs to do to stay that way. She plays the game the way it needs to be played. That means, she gets involved with other people's business, but only select other people's business that matters to her in the long run.
What about the others, you say? Britain doesn't do anything (major) without our approval (unfortunately, I think), Russia has no money/horrible economy, and China has an untested military.
I think the way we handled Iraq more than proves this fact. They all moaned and bitched about it, but did they do anything? No. Because they can't. THAT is the definition of power.
We are the world's only superpower. =P
Whose business matters? Iraq's does, we have a lot of vested interest in their oil. And considering Saddam was very close to doing what Iran is threatening to right now - start charging Euros instead of dollars for oil - Iran is going to be our business very soon if it keeps it up (well, moreso than it already is). 70% of the world's money is in the dollar, and we're going to do what it takes to keep it that way.
Of course, not all countries business is resource wise. If it looks like it could be a threat to us, if we are helping an ally, if there is a lot of public support for something, we will most likely go and check it out. Maybe even send some money and troops.
Such as Israel, we have a vested interest in that country because a) we helped create it b) it is the only country in the Middle East that mirrors our (Western) values and policies - it gets that "shining beacon of light in the darkness" sort of feel, and we like to support that, no matter how untrue it is, because it makes us look good - c) there are a lot of its more powerful citizens in business/political dealings with America and d) we have a huge amount of public support for it. But we do not need anything, really, resource-wise from Israel.
Part of playing the game to keep us in power is helping those in need - that is why we do it. Don't ever kid yourself that we're actually out to better the world - we're just keeping that goodwill up, because goodwill towards America is good. We want other countries to be Western influenced, because that means they trade with us, and more importantly, it means that they keep even more of their money in dollars.
The government is not corrupt, however. It is far from corrupt. If you guys want to see corrupt government, I highly suggest you go try North Korea or China or Saudi Arabia. However, some of our policies are corrupt. But that does not mean the entire way our government works is bad - we just have some policies that are a bit shady. And you're going to have corrupt policy no matter who is office - Democrat or Republican - because that's just politics in action. Sometimes its different corrupt policies, depending on who is there - and sometimes they're the same. =P
Fact: America is the world's only superpower, and she does what she needs to do to stay that way. She plays the game the way it needs to be played. That means, she gets involved with other people's business, but only select other people's business that matters to her in the long run.
What about the others, you say? Britain doesn't do anything (major) without our approval (unfortunately, I think), Russia has no money/horrible economy, and China has an untested military.
I think the way we handled Iraq more than proves this fact. They all moaned and bitched about it, but did they do anything? No. Because they can't. THAT is the definition of power.
We are the world's only superpower. =P
Whose business matters? Iraq's does, we have a lot of vested interest in their oil. And considering Saddam was very close to doing what Iran is threatening to right now - start charging Euros instead of dollars for oil - Iran is going to be our business very soon if it keeps it up (well, moreso than it already is). 70% of the world's money is in the dollar, and we're going to do what it takes to keep it that way.
Of course, not all countries business is resource wise. If it looks like it could be a threat to us, if we are helping an ally, if there is a lot of public support for something, we will most likely go and check it out. Maybe even send some money and troops.
Such as Israel, we have a vested interest in that country because a) we helped create it b) it is the only country in the Middle East that mirrors our (Western) values and policies - it gets that "shining beacon of light in the darkness" sort of feel, and we like to support that, no matter how untrue it is, because it makes us look good - c) there are a lot of its more powerful citizens in business/political dealings with America and d) we have a huge amount of public support for it. But we do not need anything, really, resource-wise from Israel.
Part of playing the game to keep us in power is helping those in need - that is why we do it. Don't ever kid yourself that we're actually out to better the world - we're just keeping that goodwill up, because goodwill towards America is good. We want other countries to be Western influenced, because that means they trade with us, and more importantly, it means that they keep even more of their money in dollars.
The government is not corrupt, however. It is far from corrupt. If you guys want to see corrupt government, I highly suggest you go try North Korea or China or Saudi Arabia. However, some of our policies are corrupt. But that does not mean the entire way our government works is bad - we just have some policies that are a bit shady. And you're going to have corrupt policy no matter who is office - Democrat or Republican - because that's just politics in action. Sometimes its different corrupt policies, depending on who is there - and sometimes they're the same. =P
Edited by Casilla, 17 June 2006 - 03:32 AM.
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 03:27 AM
Technically, europe is the world's mother, becuause europe is america's mother..
Anyways, good post casilla.
Edited for general un-stupidity.
Anyways, good post casilla.
Edited for general un-stupidity.
Edited by Travis, 17 June 2006 - 03:30 AM.
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Travis, on Jun 17 2006, 03:27 AM, said:
Technically, europe is the world's mother, becuause europe is america's mother..
I mean, if you want to be particular, Iraq is the world's mother, because that is where civilization started (Mesopotamia) - or, if you believe in evolution, then Africa is the world's mother, because that's where we all came from. <tickle>
But I will say THIS on your point, Travis...
Culturally, Americans do tend to follow European - mostly British - in trends, just a bit delayed. With things like civil rights or cultural trends, we've always been about two steps behind Britain - starting way back in the Enlightenment age, when - while Britain had dreamed up a lot of freedoms and wanted them (some of them they had already, though) - we took those freedoms (well, I suppose we still considered ourselves British at the time) and made them into reality. Not everything, mind, but basically most civil liberties or civil rights - Britain thought of it or had it, first. =P
Edited by Casilla, 17 June 2006 - 03:42 AM.
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 04:05 AM
That was supposed to be a joke
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 04:12 AM
hey were even following britain in imperialism and oppression of other countries now
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 04:23 AM
When did we every opress countries? Oh shit yea.
Oh well, they deserved it..
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Oh well, they deserved it..
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#19
Posted 17 June 2006 - 04:40 AM
How can you compare giving aid to invading a country?
My view is that All countries should be allowed to give aid whenever there's a disaster, but that there needs to be quite a bit of a reason to remove a dictator you don't like
If bush had been more honest and said - i'm just going to do what my dad f**ked up last time (or in fact if bush I had actually finished the job the first time around instead of promising they would and then pulling out just when all the civilians were behind them and vunrable) I think there would have been a lot more civilian backing of the operation
personally i don't see america as having mothering qualities as they do not "care" for the children they spawn - the countries they create they abandon, the aliances they forge they reject when it's inconvinient
they are totally out for themselves (but that's hardly surprising as i see them as a very isolationist country, unlike australia where many of them travel the world, see what's actually out there, very few americans will ever leave american soil and are proud of this)
I see it as another empire that's currently still in it's ascendancy, still growing - but at some stage it will be forced to collapse, they all do - it's just which empire will overtake it next that's quite worrying as i'm pretty sure it's not going to be european this time LOL
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My view is that All countries should be allowed to give aid whenever there's a disaster, but that there needs to be quite a bit of a reason to remove a dictator you don't like
If bush had been more honest and said - i'm just going to do what my dad f**ked up last time (or in fact if bush I had actually finished the job the first time around instead of promising they would and then pulling out just when all the civilians were behind them and vunrable) I think there would have been a lot more civilian backing of the operation
personally i don't see america as having mothering qualities as they do not "care" for the children they spawn - the countries they create they abandon, the aliances they forge they reject when it's inconvinient
they are totally out for themselves (but that's hardly surprising as i see them as a very isolationist country, unlike australia where many of them travel the world, see what's actually out there, very few americans will ever leave american soil and are proud of this)
I see it as another empire that's currently still in it's ascendancy, still growing - but at some stage it will be forced to collapse, they all do - it's just which empire will overtake it next that's quite worrying as i'm pretty sure it's not going to be european this time LOL
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