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[Frizzle]

I don't think he meant all muslims, but because of the situation, it is possible that executing a top extremist leader would encourage suicide bombers or terrorists, just like you killed any top leader or Al-Queda.

[Hydrogen]

I don't think he meant all muslims, but because of the situation, it is possible that executing a top extremist leader would encourage suicide bombers or terrorists, just like you killed any top leader or Al-Queda.

Perhaps, but I'll let him speak for himself .

Anyway...I personally find Saddam Hussein to be one of the filthiest Muslims ever. It is not my place to say whether he was a Muslim or not but I am just telling you my opinion. He and his brothers used to go out and rape many women (a crime punishable by death in Islam, and rightly so in my opinion). Among this, he would kill off any person who did not agree with him in his policies (goes against a suitable Islamic government set down in the Qur'an - many people are surprised that the Islamic form of government set down in the Qur'an and Hadeeth is one main person in charge who looks to his advisors and his community for what is most important for the community - Much like a democracy no? Thats what it is. The Islamic form of government is basically a democracy, though not exactly like american democracy). Saddam was filthy.

[Christopher Robin]

I would say then we would be doing what he did . Im not much for torture

But we would be right in doing it, death only lasts a few minutes with execution, and after that it's all over. Torture, he doesn't die, he wishes he would, and if he ever got out, he would NOT go back to what he was doing before.

[Hydrogen]

But we would be right in doing it, death only lasts a few minutes with execution, and after that it's all over. Torture, he doesn't die, he wishes he would, and if he ever got out, he would NOT go back to what he was doing before.

Regardless of your reason, you are never right in torturing someone.

[sonic]

no... he didnt do anything just led his country, they cant kill him, for being a bad leader...

Actually he set off a chemical weapon that killed 7000 of his own people, and invaded Iran and kuwait for no apparent reason. He is a war criminal.

Wow...Just Wow. That had to be the most ignorant comment ever made on this site.

*looks for a single picture with a "towel" on his head*

Sorry. Turban. And yea it was kind of sterotyping. My older brother Justin is in the marines and its a term he uses pretty freely.

Regardless of your reason, you are never right in torturing someone.

Correct.
I might talk big and say I wan't him tortured. But look at it this way. I can see reasons for torture when it will save the lives of Americans, but torturing Saddam would just bring us down to his level. And my friends we don't want to be there.

So lets be rational. Are they going to torture Saddam? No. Does he deserve it? Thats not for any of us to decide. (Though IF it was up to me...............lol)

[fonkeymonkey]

LOL, I personally dont think he deserves it, he should get brutally tortured and then "die" by an "accident" *pushes infront of bus*

[Ives]

Sorry. Turban. And yea it was kind of sterotyping. My older brother Justin is in the marines and its a term he uses pretty freely.

Funny how hydrogens signature is pretty accurate on Muslim/Arabic stereotyping.

[sonic]

Funny how hydrogens signature is pretty accurate on Muslim/Arabic stereotyping.

Lol I think I got a warning from him because of my comment about towel heads

[Christopher Robin]

NO, it would NOT bring us down to his level, it would be teaching him a lesson, letting him know what it's like, and making him living in fear

[Hydrogen]

Actually he set off a chemical weapon that killed 7000 of his own people, and invaded Iran and kuwait for no apparent reason. He is a war criminal.

Many people forget that it was the US who pushed Saddam into those wars and supplied the weapons to him to be able to fight in those wars. Know your history

Lol I think I got a warning from him because of my comment about towel heads

Actually, the warning was because you said a derogitory statement. It does not matter what you said it about as it could have been about anything or anyone. We dont tolerate stuff like that here and take it pretty seriously. So please just stay away from anything offensive to anyone. It will only cause trouble .

I know you can do it

NO, it would NOT bring us down to his level, it would be teaching him a lesson, letting him know what it's like, and making him living in fear

Revenge is for those who are small.

[Tetiel]

Anyway...I personally find Saddam Hussein to be one of the filthiest Muslims ever. It is not my place to say whether he was a Muslim or not but I am just telling you my opinion. He and his brothers used to go out and rape many women (a crime punishable by death in Islam, and rightly so in my opinion). Among this, he would kill off any person who did not agree with him in his policies (goes against a suitable Islamic government set down in the Qur'an - many people are surprised that the Islamic form of government set down in the Qur'an and Hadeeth is one main person in charge who looks to his advisors and his community for what is most important for the community - Much like a democracy no? Thats what it is. The Islamic form of government is basically a democracy, though not exactly like american democracy). Saddam was filthy.

Also if I am not correct he had a palace filled with pretty much pornographic paintings, did he not? But yes... I think that we should not consider people like him Muslims. If they don't follow what the teachings state... and in fact do the opposite then they really shouldn't be grouped in with the rest of the Muslim population which are from who I have met are peaceful and kind people. Definately not like the extremists who kill innocents in the streets. I think mostly the media needs to get out there and educate people more. Like an episode of the West Wing said... Muslim Extremism is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity. Definately not to be associated. But sadly they are... and innocent Muslims can be rediculed :\ It's just so sad because well... most of the Muslims I have met are like you, Hydro. But people don't know that and are almost afraid of them because of people like Saddam who are grouped in with the religion >_<

*sigh* Sorry... ranting and a bit off topic...

[Hydrogen]

Well, Islamically, we are not allowed to say who is a Muslim and who isnt. If someone declares their faith, even if they are really bad, they are still a Muslim unless they say otherwise. We see it as a really big offense and sin when someone takes it into his own hands to say who is a believer and who isnt. Its a right reserved only for Allah (God) and humans should not pass the limits that have been divinely set upon them, else they may be losers on the Day of Judgement.

Though you have a point on Muslims distancing themselves from those types of practices. I would say that that is our responsibility and only partially the media's to educate. I guess we can never get enough help but Muslims also need to go out and tell people what Islam really teaches so that such misconceptions and ideas can be eliminated when they are still fresh. Islam is not a religion to be afraid of as it promotes peace and puts a great emphasis on it. Violence is only to be taken in extreme cases and even then with some caution.

I dont see myself as a good enough Muslim to be a proper example of what true Islam is so I'll say that when you see a true Muslim...you will know .

[Hawk]

Sorry. Turban. And yea it was kind of sterotyping. My older brother Justin is in the marines and its a term he uses pretty freely.

My brother also used that term when he got back from Iraq, same with Hodgie

I still don't see why people miss the point that life in prison is worse than instant death. Would you rather spend 30 years in prison, having no hope of getting out, wishing for death to come everyday, or just die and get it overwith?

Why waste OUR TAX DOLLARS KEEPING THIS IDIOT ALIVE? Texas is doing the right thing- Capital punishment is the right move to make, and should be used with Saddam too.

We need more capital punishment, it will cut down on a lot of things that shouldnt be happening in America.

[Curse]

Nope, he shouldnt be in jail either, the only person who should go to jail is the moron, bush.

[Hydrogen]

Why waste OUR TAX DOLLARS KEEPING THIS IDIOT ALIVE? Texas is doing the right thing- Capital punishment is the right move to make, and should be used with Saddam too.

We need more capital punishment, it will cut down on a lot of things that shouldnt be happening in America.

, I will agree with that. It only takes 2 seconds to give someone an injection .

[Hawk]

Nope, he shouldnt be in jail either, the only person who should go to jail is the moron, bush.

Now what the hell has he done that deserves jail time? You Democrat, you piece of.... cant say that here

, I will agree with that. It only takes 2 seconds to give someone an injection .

Im debating with myself about sex offenders- Should they have the death penalty or should they have certain organs removed

Edited by hawk117, 21 June 2006 - 05:30 PM.

[pyke]

Now what the hell has he done that deserves jail time? You Democrat, you piece of.... cant say that here


Im debating with myself about sex offenders- Should they have the death penalty or should they have certain organs removed

Nah they should definately be killed. They can still be a threat.

[sonic]

Many people forget that it was the US who pushed Saddam into those wars and supplied the weapons to him to be able to fight in those wars. Know your history

Im not trying to argue with admin or anything, but I considermyself pretty knowledgable when it comes to history.

Could you point to any facts to this? None that included conspiracy theorys and what not. I mean facts.....

In the 1980's Saddam launched a full attack on the kurdish people in iraq. Killing estimated over 7,100 people.

Im pretty sure THAT alone gets him the title of a war criminal? Does it not?
Or how about his Multiple Violations of the Genieva Convention?
How about having his personal weapons stockpile in a Musslim Masc?
What about his refusal to follow the U.N's policies?
What about having SCUD type missles that can reach 150 kilometers? Which by the way, kills the range allowed by the U.N

Now is he a war criminal?

Oh and I believe it has been concluded that Saddam invaded Kuwait because of the massive debt Iraq had with Kuwait, and Saddam was scared that the Fundamentalists would help the over throw of his regime.
Thats just what I heard.....

[nox]

Yea. I live in arizona. It sucks. bring his towel head ass here. Put him in a heat box with no water. I swear there is no worse torture.

Who invited you here?

My brother also used that term when he got back from Iraq, same with Hodgie
Why waste OUR TAX DOLLARS KEEPING THIS IDIOT ALIVE? Texas is doing the right thing- Capital punishment is the right move to make, and should be used with Saddam too.

We need more capital punishment, it will cut down on a lot of things that shouldnt be happening in America.

Should our money be better spent killing innocent civilians in Iraq?

[Ives]

Nope, he shouldnt be in jail either, the only person who should go to jail is the moron, bush.

Because all Americans are "Hellbound retards"?

[Frizzle]

Should our money be better spent killing innocent civilians in Iraq?

You'll get over it.

[sonic]

Because all Americans are "Hellbound retards"?

Hey Hey HEY. That was un called for.
And you wont get a warning either......lol cracks me up.

Who invited you here?

Your ******

Edited by Sonic, 22 June 2006 - 10:14 AM.

[Frizzle]

This topic isn't about social retardness or stereotypes, this is about where ever or not the ex-dictator Saddam Hussein should be executed.

Personally, let the Iraq's decide through a vote.

[Ives]

Hey Hey HEY. That was un called for.
And you wont get a warning either......lol cracks me up.

Not really, I was just questioning the logic of how Hussein doesn't deserve jail, but Bush does.

[Christopher Robin]

Many people forget that it was the US who pushed Saddam into those wars and supplied the weapons to him to be able to fight in those wars. Know your history ;)Actually, the warning was because you said a derogitory statement. It does not matter what you said it about as it could have been about anything or anyone. We dont tolerate stuff like that here and take it pretty seriously. So please just stay away from anything offensive to anyone. It will only cause trouble .

I know you can do it
Revenge is for those who are small.

I believe you are wrong. People saying "I forgive you for killing my daughter, son, father, and so on, so forth, are people attempting to appear strong. They want revenge.
Revenge is reasonable, as long as you are in the right in doing it. Do NOT say you're never right in revenge, PLEASE.

Nope, he shouldnt be in jail either, the only person who should go to jail is the moron, bush.

You, sir, are extremely ignorant. Read Simons thread on war facts of US. Bush is doing a HELL of a lot more than you are, and the soldiers in Iraq are doing even more than he is. He's just the guy that gives a few orders. Bush = in the right.

Who invited you here?
Should our money be better spent killing innocent civilians in Iraq?

We don't kill THAT many iraqis... and as for who invited Sonic here, it was me. Get over it.

Edited by trixx, 22 June 2006 - 11:07 AM.