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[nox]

wasn't sure if this would fall into general chat or into here, since it will probably lead to a debate; but i'm looking for some factual information. is being gay a mutation//chemical imbalance? i am not gay, but all of the gay people i know tell me they've always known they were gay and that it was never a decision; never up to them.

the church makes it seem like it's a choice, that these people have the option to being gay therefor they are sinning. but if it isn't their choice, they will always have these homosexual feelings and it really wouldn't be their fault

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Edited by neo_grl, 27 November 2006 - 07:05 PM.

[Plew]

i dont think it is any of those.

I just think it is a personal preference

[padora]

I don't think it has anything to do with genes/chemicals or such. I just think they...just prefer guys?

[Kyle]

I think some people are born with a chemical imbalance that can make them open to more things like this, but i think an event in their life can effect it.

You said you want factual information, but I have none to offer. Sorry.

[nox]

okay see, this is exactly what i DIDN'T want.. i was hoping some gay people could share their experiences or if someone had factual information..all this is is basically straight people with their opinions which mean squat because well, they are straight!

(sorry if i made things foggy by saying post opinions, deleting that now)

[Vegas]

There have been studies that show some mothers can resist part of the Y male gene that cause their babies to be gay. Link1

And some stuff that the 'gay' gene is passed on through the mother's side.
Link2
I think thats the gist of it......just skimmed them.

I dont think guys or girls just wake up one day and say "Hey, I wanna be straight as a circle." Even though I'm christian I think its bs that they say that people choose to be gay or not.

And ye, Im 100% straight.

[Zakk]

I could tell you, I'm [partly] gay... ish. Bi is the term.
I guess I would say it's a chemical imbalance.
I look at other guys with lust.. ever since I can remember. That's probably natural.
You don't just choose to be gay. You don't just all of a sudden wake up one day and be attracted to other people of the same sex.

As for the Christians,, most of what comes out of them is bullshit,
Especially about how they think that being gay is wrong.

[Kyle]

You don't just choose to be gay.

I agree with you, and this is why:
How many strait people consciously decided one day that they would be strait? Not many, I know I didn't. If heterosexual people dont chose to be strait, then why would homosexual people chose to be gay?

[padora]

f heterosexual people dont chose to be strait, then why would homosexual people chose to be gay?

Simple

Romeo and Juliet
Aladin
Sleeping Beauty

We grow up watching guy - girl situations.

Turn on disney channel...most tv shows revolve around girls who are trying to get with guys, or vice versa.

[Zakk]

That's a VERY good point.
Now that I think about it, I can't think of one show with homosexuals in it.

=//

[Justin]

That's a VERY good point.
Now that I think about it, I can't think of one show with homosexuals in it.

=//

Will and Grace... but I guess that isnt Disney.

[padora]

Did you grow up watching Will and Grace?

I'm talking pre-puberty

[Justin]

Thats why I said "But I guess that isn't Disney"

[Kyle]

Simple

Romeo and Juliet
Aladin
Sleeping Beauty

We grow up watching guy - girl situations.

Turn on disney channel...most tv shows revolve around girls who are trying to get with guys, or vice versa.

Ive read through this 20+ times, and im not sure I understand what your proving with this. I think your saying that people can chose one way or the other because society expects them to be strait. If that is what your saying, this is my response, if thats not what your saying, please correct me. Those people who do consciously chose to be strait based on society are what I would call fakers. People all the time are on Oprah and other situations where they tell the story of how they aren't happy when they get older because they married and had children, knowing the whole time they were gay but didn't feel they could tell anyone. That being said, if they've known all that time that they WERE gay and were unhappy with their life, they did not consciously make a decision about their sexual orientation.

Again, if that wasn't what you intended to mean with that post, correct me.

[Redblade]

i think padora means we grow up being influenced by programs that showed guy-girl in close relationship but not one with guy-guy nor girl-girl.
You can say we are sort of 'brain-washed' by them.

[Tetiel]

Did you grow up watching Will and Grace?

I'm talking pre-puberty

LOL, I watched Sailor Moon, is that good enough for you? Yes, there are gays AND lesbians.

Anyways it probably results from a chemical imbalance in the womb. You see I hate to pull off stereotypes but I have seen this be somewhat true in a lot of the gay males or lesbian females I have met and there are exceptions to every rule, of course. A lot of gay males tend to have more intuition and can connect things better while gay females tend to be more literal like males. This also has been proven with brain scans and studies on the homosexual vs. heterosexual brain. Normally in brain a female has more white matter which is connective tissue and can help her relate things easier i.e. "woman's intuition." Males have more grey matter which allow them to also store more literal things, but do not have as easy of a time connecting them together as a woman would. In homosexuality a male has more white matter and a female has more grey. And of course there are exceptions to every rule but this is what is ON AVERAGE.

Does this cause homosexuality? I don't know but it may explain their behaviors somewhat. But this could also mean evidence of a release of female hormones to help shape the brain in males or more male hormones to help shape the brain in females.

Anyways but what does this mean? Could this be an accident by the womb? Possibly. It could have occured early on where the change was enough to change the mind to female, but not early enough to change it to a male brain. I am not a neurologist, however this is a theory I have heard.

But of course this is not the only reason for being homosexual, some - and I say very few - cases are caused through psychological trauma, but quite honestly that's few and far between in my opinion. I do not think it's a choice because if you think about it especially when in our society until recent years has had such ridicule for homosexuals... WHY would they choose to be gay? Seriously, makes no sense. Homosexuality until 1970 was considered to be a mental illness for goodness sakes. I don't think anyone in a society where they may not get jobs, they may even have their lives threatened would choose to be homosexual.

[zachafer]

okay see, this is exactly what i DIDN'T want.. i was hoping some gay people could share their experiences or if someone had factual information..all this is is basically straight people with their opinions which mean squat because well, they are straight!(sorry if i made things foggy by saying post opinions, deleting that now)

dude just ask doug bout homosexuality. he knows all about. hes retired and regrets his past patterns of homosexuality.

o crap. u are doug

[Alex]

Ive read through this 20+ times, and im not sure I understand what your proving with this.

I agree. I doubt those shows have anything to do with homosexuality o.O
People have been gay in the past. Many greek/roman civilizations had homosexual interactions I believe.

[zachafer]

I agree. I doubt those shows have anything to do with homosexuality o.OPeople have been gay in the past. Many greek/roman civilizations had homosexual interactions I believe.

ya but that was like the 12 century or somethin

[travis]

okay see, this is exactly what i DIDN'T want.. i was hoping some gay people could share their experiences or if someone had factual information..all this is is basically straight people with their opinions which mean squat because well, they are straight!

(sorry if i made things foggy by saying post opinions, deleting that now)

Well....idk..I hang around with alot of homosexuals, several people in my family are gay, and my best friend (Zakk) is bi.... so thats a pretty ridiculous conclusion that you are drawing, that straight people's opinions don't mean anything...

its been proven by my homies that its a quemical imbalance...

So your idiot highschool education used expensive equipment to prove this?
#fail

ya but that was like the 12 century or somethin

So what if it was the 12 century? Thats totally fucking irrelvent...humans haven't changed drastically in thousands of years!

Jesus, this topic is soo full of ignorance..

Simple

Romeo and Juliet
Aladin
Sleeping Beauty

We grow up watching guy - girl situations.

Turn on disney channel...most tv shows revolve around girls who are trying to get with guys, or vice versa.

All through childhood at our most impressionable ages, we're pounded that it should only be "boys" and "girls" together, therefore its a shell shock when you see two men, or two women together...mass mediatic brainwashing..ftl.

[Sweeney]

Of course homosexuality is caused by a chemical imbalance.

Every behaviour, every emotion, every thought anybody has, had or ever will have, is caused by a chemical imbalance.

[travis]

Your sexual preference is also very dependant on your upbringing.. e.g., if you are raised around homosexual people, in your early years, you are more likely to be homosexual yourself... or at least more open to it..

Saying that homosexuality is a "mutation" is REALLy extreme...I get angrier every time I look at the topic title
Ignorance.

I think...that its not necessarily a chemical imbalance, but just something thats passed down...in my family, we've a good set of genes (Tall, larger people..), and then the bad set.. (short, dispositioned to be overweight)...and along with that "bad" side, goes homosexuality... My sister, and my great aunt..are around 5'6", and both lesbian, and rather pudgy..where as the rest of my family is around 6'..and straight, and not so pudgy. So I think its quite a combonation of things... heriage, how you were raised..few more things.

Edited by Travis, 28 November 2006 - 07:46 AM.

[Frizzle]

Exactly as Tetiel and others have tried to prove. I believe it is being caused by a virus/chemical imbalance and it must be wiped out completly just like the vermins themselves.

They are a plauge on our green Earth and must be destroyed as with the other inferiors.

[Rush]

Aside from genetics, how about cultural background?
It affects our mindset like blue is manly and pink is femenine.
^Barbie's fault. Also a bit from our parents. Teehee.

[nox]

Saying that homosexuality is a "mutation" is REALLy extreme...I get angrier every time I look at the topic title
Ignorance.

a mutation from the norm, yes it's possible. which is why i was asking, not calling homosexuality a mutation. what do you want me to call it? stop calling everyone ignorant and think over what you're saying first.

Well....idk..I hang around with alot of homosexuals, several people in my family are gay, and my best friend (Zakk) is bi.... so thats a pretty ridiculous conclusion that you are drawing, that straight people's opinions don't mean anything...

god man stop being so blunt with your accusations. that's fantastic that you know a lot of gay people, and that's great that your best friend is bisexual. (personally i think "bisexual" is bullshit, you're either gay or you're not..maybe curious.)but tell me how you're going to have a firsthand experience with homosexuality if you yourself never experienced it? i was looking for some opinions of gay people because they should know when they started experiencing their homosexuality.