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#1 Nick

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 03:31 PM

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DETROIT (AP) - Andrew Anthos had many passions in life, including old movies, legendary Hollywood screen sirens and a 20-year campaign to illuminate the state Capitol dome in red, white and blue one night a year. While he never hid that he was gay, he was no gay rights activist.

But after dying of injuries suffered last month in what witnesses portrayed as a gay-bashing, the 72-year-old Anthos has become a powerful symbol in a campaign to amend federal and state hate-crime laws to protect gays.

``The whole point is making sure that people have equal rights in the legal system, people aren't picked on or threatened just because they look or act differently,'' said state Sen. Hansen Clarke, who plans to introduce legislation to amend Michigan's Ethnic Intimidation Act.

According to police and family members, the Detroit man was riding a city bus home from the library on Feb. 13, singing along quietly to Spanish music on his headphones. A young man asked him if he was gay and called him a ``hobbit.'' Anthos ignored him.

The man followed Anthos off the bus, confronting him again. Anthos told the man he was gay as he helped a wheelchair-bound friend who was stuck in a snowbank, witnesses said. The man struck Anthos in the back of the head with a pipe, stood over him as he lay on the ground and ran off after Anthos' friend yelled for him to stop.

Anthos fell into a coma on Feb. 21 and died two days later.

Police have no suspect but released a composite sketch of the attacker. The department is investigating whether it was a hate crime.

``He wasn't robbed. Nothing was touched,'' said Anthos' cousin Athena Fedenis. ``It was strictly a hate crime.''

Fedenis, 45, said Anthos told her what happened from the hospital and she took notes because she ``wasn't going to let this get thrown underneath the rug and let it be forgotten about.''

Anthos touched the lives of many people. He struck up an improbable friendship with Ava Gardner in the late 1960s after going to a New York hotel where he learned she was staying, his cousin says. His campaign to light the state Capitol dome in honor of police officers, veterans and others put him in contact with countless lawmakers, reporters and others in Lansing.

Fedenis said Anthos asked her before he died to promise that she would work to realize his goal of lighting the Capitol dome. She established a nonprofit foundation called Andrew's Light to take contributions. Money that doesn't go to the effort will be donated to the Triangle Foundation, a gay rights advocacy group.

The federal and state legislative efforts have been around for at least a decade and picked up some support after the fatal beating of gay Wyoming college student Matthew Shepard in 1998. Now, advocates hope, Anthos' death adds some urgency.

Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., introduced legislation in the House this week, and Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., cited Anthos on the Senate floor earlier this month when he said he would soon help reintroduce a bill that would expand the definition of hate crimes to include gays and allow the federal government to help local law enforcement investigate hate crimes.

Anthos went from job to job when he was younger but apparently was not working at the time of his death. He was on state disability; Fedenis said he was diagnosed as mentally ill in the 1950s.

He often traveled, scrubbing the stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and laying flowers at Marilyn Monroe's crypt. When he met Gardner, he gave the actress pictures he had collected from magazines and later was invited to her home, his family says. She later wrote a letter supporting his dome-lighting crusade.

Julie Cook, who befriended Anthos in the late 1980s and remained close to him, said he put up with apathy and outright hostility in his dome campaign.

``He would stand on corners and people would throw things at him,'' Cook said. ``It didn't matter. He would research the busiest corner to stand on where he could be seen the most.''

While Anthos aggressively sought support for the idea, he wanted to be in the background, not in the limelight, Fedenis said.

``He wanted all the attention to be strictly on the dome for the veterans, the doctors, the police officers, the firefighters, the less fortunate,'' she said.


Well, despite what you all are thinking, this is not an "Urban + Gay" post. In fact, rather than discussing the homosexual aspects of it, discuss how it has taken deaths for Detroit to even consider passing a law that would uphold the constitution of the United States and therefore should not have to be passed in the first place, but sadly, is necessary because of hate crimes.

#2 Tetiel

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 03:47 PM

Reason? Detroit is the most insane city in the mid west. Seriously apparantly that's where all the crazies are o.o

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 03:49 PM

Don't you find a law that picks you out as a group to be more demeaning than having it treated as a "standard" crime?

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 03:51 PM

QUOTE(Sunscorch @ Mar 22 2007, 06:49 PM) View Post
Don't you find a law that picks you out as a group to be more demeaning than having it treated as a "standard" crime?


I'll take a demeaning law over gay-bashed to death any day.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 03:52 PM

QUOTE(Urban @ Mar 22 2007, 11:51 PM) View Post
I'll take a demeaning law over gay-bashed to death any day.

Isn't that a little hypocritical of you?
You say you don't want gays to be discriminated against... but when that discrimination benefits you, it's all ok?

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 03:58 PM

QUOTE(Sunscorch @ Mar 22 2007, 06:52 PM) View Post
Isn't that a little hypocritical of you?
You say you don't want gays to be discriminated against... but when that discrimination benefits you, it's all ok?


How would a law that protects our rights be considered discrimination? You aren't making any sense at all.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 03:59 PM

It's positive discrimination.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:01 PM

QUOTE(Sunscorch @ Mar 22 2007, 06:59 PM) View Post
It's positive discrimination.


No it is not positive discrimination. You're either just looking to be annoying or you're the biggest jerk I've ever met. How can you say that a law designed to protect someone's life is positive discrimination and shouldn't be allowed?

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:05 PM

QUOTE(Sunscorch @ Mar 22 2007, 08:22 PM) View Post
Isn't that a little hypocritical of you?
You say you don't want gays to be discriminated against... but when that discrimination benefits you, it's all ok?

xD That's surprisingly true blink.gif


Urban, it IS discrimination, because discrimination is when a person or group is classed differently because of who they are... And putting being gay in a hate crime law, is discriminization. GOOD, but still discriminization.


Anyways. I think the attacker should be beaten with a nail-gun 1we8.gif What an asshole.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:06 PM

QUOTE(Urban @ Mar 23 2007, 12:01 AM) View Post
No it is not positive discrimination. You're either just looking to be annoying or you're the biggest jerk I've ever met. How can you say that a law designed to protect someone's life is positive discrimination and shouldn't be allowed?

It is positive discrimination.
Because it's saying that a straight guy attacking a gay guy deserves a harsher punishment than than a straight guy attacking a straight guy.

And I didn't say it shouldn't be allowed. I said it's duplicitous of you to approve of one type of discrimination, and not another.

Edited by Sunscorch, 22 March 2007 - 04:07 PM.


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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:10 PM

QUOTE(Sunscorch @ Mar 22 2007, 08:06 PM) View Post
It is positive discrimination.
Because it's saying that a straight guy attacking a gay guy deserves a harsher punishment than than a straight guy attacking a straight guy.

And I didn't say it shouldn't be allowed. I said it's duplicitous of you to approve of one type of discrimination, and not another.


Of course he deserves worse punishment. To start the man was 72, and most likely incapable of fighting back. Second, it was a hate crime, the man stalked him and hunted him down because of his sexuality. Thirdly, the attack was unprovoked and completely unpredictable. All hate crimes, if deemed that way, lead to greater punishment. This was not only a hate crime but a crime in which the man attacked another who was defenseless.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:10 PM

and exactly how would this law stop people from committing these hate crimes?

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:12 PM

It wouldn't be a hate crime if they were arguing and it turned into a fight.

QUOTE(speaker @ Mar 22 2007, 08:10 PM) View Post
and exactly how would this law stop people from committing these hate crimes?


A person's judgement is based the consequences of his or her actions. When faced with a greater punishment the chances of the same crime being comitted are lessened.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:14 PM

I agree he deserves a worse punishment because he (the victim) was old, infirm etc etc, and because it was unprovoked. But why because he was gay?
In my opinion, the reason why the man was victimised is totally irrelevant, and doesn't need to be specifically written into the law at all.

Edited by Sunscorch, 22 March 2007 - 04:15 PM.


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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:16 PM

QUOTE(Sunscorch @ Mar 22 2007, 08:14 PM) View Post
I agree he deserves a worse punishment because he (the victim) was old, infirm etc etc, and because it was unprovoked. But why because he was gay?
In my opinion, the reason why the man was victimised is totally irrelevant, and doesn't need to be specifically written into the law at all.


You have absolutely no idea what it's like to be hated for being yourself. Listen, the next time you get slammed into your locker and called fa`ggot, or have it spray painted on your backpack, you tell me that the reason people are victimized is irrelevant. You have no idea.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:18 PM

QUOTE(Urban @ Mar 22 2007, 05:16 PM) View Post
You have absolutely no idea what it's like to be hated for being yourself. Listen, the next time you get slammed into your locker and called hobbit, or have it spray painted on your backpack, you tell me that the reason people are victimized is irrelevant. You have no idea.

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

Deal with it, discrimination is everywhere.
just gays get nailed more then anyone else.
It's not going to stop people, because you still see people murdering, assault (such as this) happening don't you? It might calm it down, but it won't stop it.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:20 PM

QUOTE(Urban @ Mar 23 2007, 12:16 AM) View Post
You have absolutely no idea what it's like to be hated for being yourself. Listen, the next time you get slammed into your locker and called hobbit, or have it spray painted on your backpack, you tell me that the reason people are victimized is irrelevant. You have no idea.

To the law, it should be.
Impartiality is the point.

I agree that the punishment should be worse because the old man was effectively hunted and murdered because of an aspect of his life.
What I don't agree with is that that precise aspect should be written into the law.
I do not agree that if someone was killed in an unprovoked attack because he was gay, that that should be seen as a more important crime than if he was killed in an unprovoked attack because he was wearing a Bulls cap or some such similar thing.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:22 PM

QUOTE(Pomroy / Trixx @ Mar 22 2007, 07:05 PM) View Post
Urban, it IS discrimination, because discrimination is when a person or group is classed differently because of who they are... And putting being gay in a hate crime law, is discriminization. GOOD, but still discriminization.

If that is true there should be no such thing as a hate crime. The very definition of a hate crime is a crime against a party just because they are a part of a type of group. Be it sexual, racial, social, political, whatever.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:24 PM

QUOTE(Sunscorch @ Mar 22 2007, 08:20 PM) View Post
I do not agree that if someone was killed in an unprovoked attack because he was gay, that that should be seen as a more important crime than if he was killed in an unprovoked attack because he was wearing a Bulls cap or some such similar thing.


Both crimes should receive equal punishment. It's still an act of violent discrimination.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:24 PM

QUOTE(Tetiel @ Mar 23 2007, 12:22 AM) View Post
The very definition of a hate crime is a crime against a party just because they are a part of a type of group.

And that is where the exact defenition should end.
I see no reason why ethnic groups and homosexuals should be the only ones to fall under the umbrella.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:24 PM

Laws don't stop people from doing anything...it is already illegal to go hitting old people over the head with metal pipes anyway (i would hope), but the guy did it anyway.

If somebody gets attacked because they have red hair, are we going to have Red-Heads Rights Laws too? What about if somebody gets attacked because they're clever, Intellectual People Rights Laws? dry.gif

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:28 PM

Your ginger so you get special anti hate laws, go you.

Imo its stupid to make a law for a specific group

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:28 PM

QUOTE(Eric @ Mar 22 2007, 08:18 PM) View Post
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

Deal with it, discrimination is everywhere.
just gays get nailed more then anyone else.
It's not going to stop people, because you still see people murdering, assault (such as this) happening don't you? It might calm it down, but it won't stop it.


You will give a damn, because, last time I checked you were Mexican, right? Well, you're young now but wait until you get to high school, and then to a job, you'll start seeing people thinking less of you solely for your race.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:29 PM

QUOTE(Laser Wave @ Mar 23 2007, 12:24 AM) View Post
Laws don't stop people from doing anything...it is already illegal to go hitting old people over the head with metal pipes anyway (i would hope), but the guy did it anyway.

If somebody gets attacked because they have red hair, are we going to have Red-Heads Rights Laws too? What about if somebody gets attacked because they're clever, Intellectual People Rights Laws? dry.gif

The point I am trying to make, and Urban seems to continually fail to grasp, is exactly that.

Everyone has equal right not to be attacked because of who they are.
There. Is. No. Need. For. Specific. Gay. Rights. Laws.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:30 PM

Urban, thats life, people deal with it, im sure if i moved to africa i would be discriminated against because i was white, seriously stop whining


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