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[Nick]

And that is where the exact defenition should end.
I see no reason why ethnic groups and homosexuals should be the only ones to fall under the umbrella.

Because people don't go hunting down Bulls' fans.

[Sweeney]

Because people don't go hunting down Bulls' fans.

So until it happens, Bulls fans forfeit the rights that gay people now have?

[Charmender]

Because people don't go hunting down Bulls' fans.

Why do homosexuals deserve a specific law? what about if everyone was gay and straights were the minority, would we get a specific law?

[Nick]

Urban, thats life, people deal with it, im sure if i moved to africa i would be discriminated against because i was white, seriously stop whining

For someone who hasn't even come out in real life and has his boyfriend's name listed as SAMantha on MSN so people don't think he's gay, you sure talk like you know what it's like. Joe, I completely agree, but what happens when people don't respect the laws already in existence?

[Waser Lave]

If somebody hates somebody because they are an arsehole, can we have an Arsehole Rights Law please?

Very apt for this thread i think.

Joe, I completely agree, but what happens when people don't respect the laws already in existence?

For as long as there have been laws, there have been people who have disrespected them...law breaking isn't a modern occurrence brought about by a gay revolution you know...

Edited by Laser Wave, 22 March 2007 - 04:36 PM.

[Nick]

Why do homosexuals deserve a specific law? what about if everyone was gay and straights were the minority, would we get a specific law?

If they were dealing with the same sort of hate crimes, then of course they would.

[Sweeney]

For someone who hasn't even come out in real life and has his boyfriend's name listed as SAMantha on MSN so people don't think he's gay, you sure talk like you know what it's like. Joe, I completely agree, but what happens when people don't respect the laws already in existence?

Then making new ones probably isn't going to do fuck all, is it?

[Charmender]

For someone who hasn't even come out in real life and has his boyfriend's name listed as SAMantha on MSN so people don't think he's gay, you sure talk like you know what it's like.

LOL as if you actually fell for that, read on in general chat and theres a topic about me lying about being gay to fool zulfi.

Also why dont straight people get a law? thats not really fair is it

[Nick]

I technically already have, already having worked at like three places (permit things from school, only at certain places)
I don't mind it that much because I stereotype, I discriminate. I know it happens it the world, and there's nothing to stop it. Unless you call me out, and beat me just because I'm mexican, then I have a problem. I understand where your coming from, but deal with it. It didn't happen to you.

I wasn't killed, but that doesn't mean I don't have to deal with the same type of harassment that this man dealt with. Read my posts above. Just because I don't tell you about my problems doesn't mean they don't exist.

Then making new ones probably isn't going to do fuck all, is it?

It is if the punishment were to be increased. As I said before people base their actions on the consequences. If the consequence is a worse punishment the amount of crimes of this nature will decrease.

[Charmender]

I wasn't killed, but that doesn't mean I don't have to deal with the same type of harassment that this man dealt with. Read my posts above. Just because I don't tell you about my problems doesn't mean they don't exist.

Ive got a couple of suggestions for you, A. stop being gay, B. Move somewhere and dont tell them your gay, or goto a place where gays are accepted, C. Post on a gay rights forum about your problems not here, because people really dont give a shit, D. Stop fucking whining

[Waser Lave]

It is if the punishment were to be increased. As I said before people base their actions on the consequences. If the consequence is a worse punishment the amount of crimes of this nature will decrease.

Interesting...

Surely death is the ultimate punishment, but the murder rate in America is one of the highest in the world despite having the death penalty for it in a number of states, your whole theory is gone.

Edited by Laser Wave, 22 March 2007 - 04:42 PM.

[Sweeney]

I wasn't killed, but that doesn't mean I don't have to deal with the same type of harassment that this man dealt with. Read my posts above. Just because I don't tell you about my problems doesn't mean they don't exist.
It is if the punishment were to be increased. As I said before people base their actions on the consequences. If the consequence is a worse punishment the amount of crimes of this nature will decrease.

But that's the thing... you do mention your problems. Some of them, at least.
On and on, like your life is the hardest thing in the world.

You have no idea what peoples lives are like from on here. People come online to escape, quite often. That should tell you something, at least...
I don't know all of what you have to deal with, nor do I much care, but the same goes for you and my life. Or you and Eric's life. Or you and Laser's life.
Mmmk?

[Tetiel]

*uses imaginary mod powers transferred from GFX area to move this to debate and then 8 hours later close it because it got out of hand and also gives out 3 warnings ahead of time and therefore suspends two people for 12 hours*

[Sweeney]

*uses imaginary mod powers transferred from GFX area to move this to debate and then 8 hours later close it because it got out of hand and also gives out 3 warnings ahead of time and therefore suspends two people for 12 hours*

Don't be like that, it's just starting to get interesting...

[Nick]

This was supposed to be a discussion about discrimination in general and how long it takes people to react to it. I'm not trying to whine about anything, and if this is what you think it is then I guess my whine isn't really worth it. I mean who whines about getting beat up because of something they can't help, really?

[Sweeney]

This was supposed to be a discussion about discrimination in general and how long it takes people to react to it. I'm not trying to whine about anything, and if this is what you think it is then I guess my whine isn't really worth it. I mean who whines about getting beat up because of something they can't help, really?

It was... and I made a valid point about the duplicitous nature of your beliefs, using the example of homosexuality, as you did, when you retorted with:

You have absolutely no idea what it's like to be hated for being yourself. Listen, the next time you get slammed into your locker and called fa`ggot, or have it spray painted on your backpack, you tell me that the reason people are victimized is irrelevant. You have no idea.

Instantly turning it into a topic all about you.

[Nick]

Yes, it's all about me Joe. That was in retort to what you said about "him being victimized is irrelevant." Stop taking my words out of context.

[Sweeney]

Yes, it's all about me Joe. That was in retort to what you said about "him being victimized is irrelevant." Stop taking my words out of context.

And you mine.
What I said was, "the reason for the victimisation is irrelevant".
Duplicity strikes again, eh what?

[Charmender]

Lol urban's gettin pwnd

[Nick]

Before it was closed, I had intended to say a few things. First, get the argument back on track and in a more general perspective: discrimination. We've all experienced it and we all know that it can hurt, but this man saw the epitome of it and it resulted in his death, simply because he was gay. This is not an isolated case, and although gay-bashing resulting in death is less frequent there are still many serious injuries caused by them, much like the treatment a certain ethnic group my receive, or a kid who might appear more booksmart and less "cool" then other kids around him.

I would like nothing more than what Joe is proposing. It would be great if we could all abide by the laws and just function without the burden of hate crime and discrimination, but society hasn't allowed us to do so. When a man is killed for being gay you have to wonder whether or not the laws are doing what they are supposed to, and that perhaps it is time to add a new category to the topic of hate crimes, that of homophobic killing. Hate crimes, whether we like it or not, result typically in a longer prison sentence, but my concern isn't so much about the law as it is about the police work being conducted on this case. If you noticed, the article states that they have put out a police sketch and are asking people who may know who he is to come in to headquarters, nothing more. I think the police should be taking a greater action because if it was a crime motivated by hate (all evidence shows it was), then who is to say that he would not find another person to inflict his hateful wrath upon?

[Sweeney]

I still don't understand why you think gay people deserve special laws.

[Nick]

I think we deserve a special law so that we at least aren't killed for being gay. I'm not even asking for the same rights as you anymore, because frankly, I'm terrified after reading stuff like this that someone wants to kill me for being gay. So, screw marriage, screw adoption, I want to stay alive.

[Waser Lave]

I think we deserve a special law so that we at least aren't killed for being gay. I'm not even asking for the same rights as you anymore, because frankly, I'm terrified after reading stuff like this that someone wants to kill me for being gay. So, screw marriage, screw adoption, I want to stay alive.

Do you honestly believe that laws stop people doing things? If somebody is going to kill somebody because they're gay, they're going to do it whether there's a specific law for it or not, they're already disregarding the other laws aswell as human rights. Doesn't the Declaration of Independence state that everybody has the right life and thus not be killed?

It's much more likely that you'd get killed for pissing someone off rather than for being gay...

http://youtube.com/w...p...ted&search=

3:36->5:00

Edited by Laser Wave, 22 March 2007 - 05:29 PM.