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[LastI]

Listen man, i have no problem with people who believe/dont believe in god, its your choice, but lets forget our diffference in opinion about got and get back on topic?

I agree. Thanks, I was going to say that but you beat me to it =o

[Alex]

God wants us to come to him in prayer on a daily basis, not ONLY when we're in trouble, contrary to public belief, God wants us to talk to Him daily so we can maintain our walks with God.

Is this in the Bible?

[fruglemonkey]

B. You're just proving my point for me, although partially, genes determine physical things such as apperances and sometimes, disease. But genes dont determine who a person is, there is 0 doubt in my mind that God knew before we were born what we were going to have in our life, what our struggles are, and our whole life story. Even though genes may be taken into account for things (Listed above and such), God still makes people unique, its very hard to explain, I'm doing my best.

Hold on a goddamned minute. If god knows what we are going to have in life, what pur struggles are, and our whole life story, how can we be judged by our actions? I mean, if he knows everything, and he knows our future, that means the future is predetermined, and we can't control our actions! How then, can we be judged by god and sent to heaven or hell if we're not responsible for our actions?

[LastI]

Hold on a goddamned minute. If god knows what we are going to have in life, what pur struggles are, and our whole life story, how can we be judged by our actions? I mean, if he knows everything, and he knows our future, that means the future is predetermined, and we can't control our actions! How then, can we be judged by god and sent to heaven or hell if we're not responsible for our actions?

Look, this is my last post about religion on this thread beacuse I'd rather have you guys stay on topic.

God knows the struggles we're going to have. He knows everything and our future, obvsiously. It dosent really make any sense to me, I really agree with you in some form that I'm confused about why God does things, I'm probably wrong here.

Rather then make up something to come back at you let me say this - I cant answer your question because I'm not knowledgable on this subject, go talk to a Bible scholar and not me.

[fruglemonkey]

>.< How do we know that god isn't just some being that will accept anything that believes in it, no matter what form? I.E All religions are a path to god.

And Josh, you are on of the most hardcore christians I have ever met. Keep on rocking.

[Eeyore]

*Please no one except Lastl reply to this part* That's good to hear, glad you're staying strong



Yeah you're a little late, it has been said about 5 times already in this topic



Why? I can actually relate to Lastl now. I remember in older debates that I would get total blame for bringing a debate off topic, and yet here people are even openly stating there going off topic. Where did you see anything about God in the original topic?

I only openly went onto it because for like half a page everyone else had, you can't blame me for changing the topic, I was just flowing with it =/.

[Eeyore]

I didn't blame you for changing it, only helping to change it. Going with the flow is no excuse But since we can't warn anyone for jacking up topics people just do whatever they want, so there's not point in trying to stop it anyways.

Sorry . In my mind if a topic starts to move onto something else which is related to the original point of the topic but still a different idea, it's fine, so I just go along with it. It's just how topics work. However, not being at all active in the debates bit I guess it might be rather different in here amongst the clever people D=. I promise not to do it again...after this post. *backs away slowly*

[Ives]

This is the second time this has been discussed in this topic. First of all, I have all trust in God that He can keep His Word clean of man's impurities. Second of all, when statistics are shown, the Bible is the most accurate historical document we have today. Aristotle doesn't even touch it. We have absolutely no problem believing ancient stories in which we have maybe 3 or 4 copies of and yet we question one that we nearly have over 1,000 original Greek copies of. The reliability of the Bible is a HUGE subject. I have a 800 page outline format book that discusses nothing but reasons why the Bible can be trusted to be accurate. If you honestly want to have this debate, I have no problem with pulling it out and starting a new topic.

I honestly don't think a 33 year old man who never heard of Christianity would go into a bookstore, find the bible, and immediately think "Wow, this is what I needed."

[shuppet]

so i was going to make a new topic but figured thered already be one given how popular neocodex is
and i found one!

so anyways apparently discussing creationism in that other topic is offtopic but im genuinely interested to knwo about the research that proves creationism

its certain to be good reading

[shuppet]

well if you dont support it why are you posting it?

all i see on that page is arguments from incredulaty and authority
nothing published

they also reference kent hovind
did you know hes in jail for fraud? does that tell you anything?

[pyke]

so i was going to make a new topic but figured thered already be one given how popular neocodex is
and i found one!

There are probably two dozen topics about god/evolution/etc here, it's probably the most beaten to death topic on the site (besides neopets)

Honestly, I think that there is no point debating it. Either you have faith, or you don't. I don't think another persons opinion can change that. It probably requires some sort of influence/event in your life to shape that.

[shuppet]

you dont think thats a sad state of affairs?
i do

the bible isnt a scientifc resource and it doesnt agree with evidence wen you read it literally
so to hold its teachings above science is stupid

[pyke]

you dont think thats a sad state of affairs?
i do

the bible isnt a scientifc resource and it doesnt agree with evidence wen you read it literally
so to hold its teachings above science is stupid

I think it's unfair to call it stupid. A lot of the worlds greatest scientists are very religious people. Very good logical arguments can probably be made to support the existence of a god. While it can't be definitively proven, you certainly can't disprove it either.

I'm assuming you'd have specific samples in which teachings defy science, if you're going to be making claims like that.

Anyway, I go back to my original point, you're not going to convince anyone . I could probably yell at Josh till I'm blue in the face that God DNE but it probably won't convince him

[shuppet]

i dont know any religious scientists who dont believe in evolution
at least i dont know any that havent brought out a book about their conversion

being religious and denying science dont have to go hand in hand

[pyke]

i dont know any religious scientists who dont believe in evolution
at least i dont know any that havent brought out a book about their conversion

being religious and denying science dont have to go hand in hand

There were and are scientists who don't believe in evolution.

http://www.ridgenet....sage/v5i10f.htm

Just what I found from a 5 second google. I also think it's reasonable to question points in science, as it's never wise to just assume something to be true.

[shuppet]

ok so there are some
i didnt say there were none i said i didnt know any

still thats a worrying page

also yes you should question points in science
but have valid observations or evidence for your claims
a 2000yo book doesnt really cut it tbh

[Grizzly]

Why are there still monkeys??

Why aren't they evolving??

Why aren't we still evolving??


Note: Don't confuse evolution with adaptation.

Because we didn't evolve from monkeys.
Apes and humans evolved from the same previous species.

[pyke]

ok so there are some
i didnt say there were none i said i didnt know any

still thats a worrying page

also yes you should question points in science
but have valid observations or evidence for your claims
a 2000yo book doesnt really cut it tbh

Hence where apologetics come from

They do research and make arguments and observations that would support claims. I'm not entirely sure what they do really, but there are people that go beyond reading the bible to prove that god exists.

[shuppet]

but yet noone has shown me any original published research
its all i wanted

[Waser Lave]

Please...not again... *grovels*

[pyke]

but yet noone has shown me any original published research
its all i wanted

Not my field of expertise

You may have not noticed in this thread, but I do not practice any religion

Please...not again... *grovels*

C'MERE YOU! -drags into topic-

[Waser Lave]

C'MERE YOU! -drags into topic-

I gave up on the religious arguing thing. Religious people are so pig-headed.

[shuppet]

i read it and looked at the links
i asked for some research and none was there

[Waser Lave]

C'MERE YOU! -drags into topic-

I've taken up fishing instead and clearly I'm getting good at it. I done caught me a 15lb christian apologist!!

[shuppet]

perhaps i should be clearer
i looked at the descriptions of the links

again none were to original published research