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#1 ShadowLink64

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 06:51 PM

Division of Powers Action Plan Proposed in Admin Area

Based on observations, the Administration is currently discussing a proposal that will further give the site more self-sufficiency and make things more interesting on the board. I will do my best to explain what is being proposed below:

Basically, Neocodex has many sections that need looking after. It has long since been the responsibility of the leaders of the site to assume responsibility of each section. However, we have noticed some deficiencies in the "Leadership Hierarchy", as I like to call it. tongue.gif

These deficiencies include:
  • Leaders not knowing what is expected of them.
    It is extremely important to know what tasks are expected of you when you take on a leadership position, and we think it is necessary to redefine the duties that each leader is responsible for. Because of this, each leader on the site will be receiving a personalized message via. PM with the complete description to their leadership position, and what is expected of them.
  • Alienated Administration:
    A lot of the times, the Administrators don't even know what is happening on their own site! We hope to address this issue by giving the Admin rank a more centralized role on the site. In the personal message we will be sending to all the leaders, we will do our best to explain some new responsibilities of yours that involve direct communication with the Administration on a regular basis. It allows the Admins to better do their job (which is to ensure that the leaders are doing theirs), and it increase awareness of what is happening on the site.
  • Accountability and Unfairness:
    Because old and new responsibilities will be explained to each leader on the site, we will be able to assess their performance better based on the fact that they will be informed on what they should be doing. If we find that stuff is not getting done, then rank adjustments will be made accordingly, giving other members a chance to prove that they can take on the tasks that the other failed to do. It is not fair to the other leaders if a select few are not completing tasks expected of them, and we will be emphasizing this point more strongly in the future. We know that there are others on the site deserving of leadership positions, and we will not hesitate to give them a chance if we deem it necessary.

So basically, what this means for the site, should we decide to take on this initiative fully:
  • Greater opportunity for members to experience positions with responsibility.
  • Increased education for leaders, so they may do their job more efficiently.
  • Greater member satisfaction in the leadership as a whole.
  • An efficient communication web for members and moderators that will ensure that issues be dealt with properly.
  • More productivity and communication amongst leaders, which is always a good thing.
  • Administrators have time to address the entire spectrum of the site.

Is there anything bad about this proposal? Well, the only thing I can find is that there is no more excuse to slack off (other than if you are on a break or for other purposes that you spoke to the Admins about). If you consider putting more work into the site bad, then I suppose it's bad.... but I don't, and chances are that if you're a leader on the site, you care about the well-being of the site and don't either. tongue.gif

We're interested in hearing your opinion on what I have explained above, so please comment. smile.gif

#2 Raui

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 06:59 PM

Looks like a great proposal Cam smile.gif Well done with comming up with it biggrin.gif

#3 Rikku

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 07:00 PM

this sounds like a well oraganized idea and a plan. This would serve to be a good reminder to all of the Admin and moderators (not that they need it) why they are here, what there duties are, and why they were chosen for the positions that they now have. Sounds like a great idea to me.

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 07:01 PM

QUOTE(Raui @ Jul 6 2007, 07:59 PM) View Post
Looks like a great proposal Cam smile.gif Well done with comming up with it biggrin.gif

I can't say that I came up with it myself.... I'm simply reiterating something Hydrogen explained to me a few months ago and I think it's a good idea. tongue.gif

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 07:08 PM

Sounds good thumbsup.gif. I can't wait to see how things will turn out happy.gif. Hopefully it'll all be for the better and everything will run smoothly.

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 07:31 PM

Great idea! biggrin.gif This will easily show who does their job well and who doesn't smile.gif

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 08:11 PM

Beautifully done



...quick reply or whatever it is called isnt working

#8 Rikku

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 08:13 PM

i just posted with quick reply.. and it works just fine...

when is this going to go into effect?

#9 ShadowLink64

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 09:16 PM

QUOTE(Rikku @ Jul 6 2007, 10:13 PM) View Post
i just posted with quick reply.. and it works just fine...

when is this going to go into effect?

When we're finished discussing it and stuff. tongue.gif

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 09:32 PM

So leaders should know more, admins get more involved, and the staff should do a better job... What is going to change? Nothing. This sounds like something that should have been done a long time ago dry.gif

Also, how is this division of the powers? I see the powers uniting. dry.gif

#11 ShadowLink64

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 09:41 PM

QUOTE(Hawk @ Jul 6 2007, 11:32 PM) View Post
So leaders should know more, admins get more involved, and the staff should do a better job... What is going to change? Nothing. This sounds like something that should have been done a long time ago dry.gif

Also, how is this division of the powers? I see the powers uniting. dry.gif

Not necessarily. tongue.gif The Admins will be involved with a more refined list of duties while the leaders will take more of an active role in their individual areas rather than just the Admins, since we haven't been seeing enough of this. It is division of powers in the sense that we are emphasizing the distinct roles each leadership rank will have (a SuperMod is not just a Moderator with a better looking plate, etc...)

You can still have division of powers with collaboration between the powers; just take a look at your very own federal government.

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 09:45 PM

QUOTE(ShadowLink64 @ Jul 7 2007, 12:41 AM) View Post
Not necessarily. tongue.gif The Admins will be involved with a more refined list of duties while the leaders will take more of an active role in their individual areas rather than just the Admins, since we haven't been seeing enough of this. It is division of powers in the sense that we are emphasizing the distinct roles the leadership ranks will have (a SuperMod is not just a Moderator with a better looking plate, etc...)

You can still have division of powers with collaboration between the powers; just take a look at your very own federal government.

Oh, I see. Instead of people being spread out over large sections you are going to start reducing the areas they can moderate that fits their posting habits? Or at least have them focus more on one section?

Admins will stay out of the bullshit that I make you guys go through too often? So you're tired of it, and instead are passing it off to someone else? Great, others may not be so forgiving wink.gif

Then what will a SuperMod do? blink.gif

Meh, its too late to look at my own federal government. Its like, 12:45.

#13 Sweeney

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 04:00 AM

I thought you did implement this a while ago...

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 05:13 AM

Who but SL64 to do something like that tongue.gif?
Of course is a great proposal!

#15 Hazard

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 06:05 AM

sound cool, i think this means they'll be more opportunities of getting other statuses for dedicated members *cough* *cough* tongue.gif

Edited by ĦÅŽÁŕď2ØŤĤẻѓŻ, 07 July 2007 - 06:05 AM.


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Posted 07 July 2007 - 06:33 AM

I like it smile.gif As long as we don't give positions to powerwhores devil.gif

#17 Hazard

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 06:42 AM

laugh.gif Pomroy i like the quote

#18 Quadra

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 07:13 AM

You almost make it sound like an honor to be at the beck and call of these new edicts. All the policy changes, education and communication in the world won't change complacency if those things are not the root cause of its existence. Medicating symptoms and not the disease itself may make things seem better but it is only a temporary solution.

Edited by Quadra, 07 July 2007 - 07:31 AM.


#19 ShadowLink64

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 07:30 AM

QUOTE(Sunscorch @ Jul 7 2007, 06:00 AM) View Post
I thought you did implement this a while ago...

Well, we did. However, what I'm proposing is that we do some stuff over, like informing the leaders of what they are supposed to be doing properly this time. 1we8.gif Also, I've been doing some stuff around the site that normally the leaders are supposed to be doing.

QUOTE(Quadra @ Jul 7 2007, 09:13 AM) View Post
You almost make it sound like an honor to be at the beck and cal of these new edicts. All the policy changes, education and communication in the world won't change complacency if those things are not the root cause of its existence. Medicating symptoms and not the disease itself may make things seem better but it is only a temporary solution.

What do you consider the 'disease' that needs curing? I believe that the disease is people simply not caring about the site as much as they used to, and I hope to change that by putting people that do care about the site in a leadership position, and those who don't care about the site won't be in a leadership position. In order to do this properly, leaders must know what jobs they should be doing and who to go to, and that's another objective I hope to achieve with this.

And as for being the "beck and cal" of these "new edicts", some of that honor goes to Hydrogen since he was the one who brought this proposal up in the first place, However, it seems like it fell on deaf ears at the time; hopefully, not any longer. wink.gif

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 07:43 AM

QUOTE(ShadowLink64 @ Jul 7 2007, 11:30 AM) View Post
What do you consider the 'disease' that needs curing? I believe that the disease is people simply not caring about the site as much as they used to, and I hope to change that by putting people that do care about the site in a leadership position, and those who don't care about the site won't be in a leadership position. In order to do this properly, leaders must know what jobs they should be doing and who to go to, and that's another objective I hope to achieve with this.

And as for being the "beck and cal" of these "new edicts", some of that honor goes to Hydrogen since he was the one who brought this proposal up in the first place, but it seems like it fell on deaf ears, but not any longer (or so I hope). wink.gif


Any statement I would make on what needs to be rectified would be insubstantial nonsense. Only you could know the nature of the things that cause disfunction. Hence why I only offer my passing observations based on previous past experiences. I have faith in your judgment and for my love of this place sincerely hope it will lead to positive results.

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 07:54 AM

Now, by leaders do you mean staff, or do you mean leaders? Just I'm not considered staff I've noticed, but I am a leader, and I wouldn't consider a moderater a leader.

Just curious tongue.gif.

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 08:30 AM

Good job Ryan. Way to go with the good ideas. Keep them coming. wink.gif

#23 ShadowLink64

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 10:19 AM

QUOTE(Eeyore @ Jul 7 2007, 09:54 AM) View Post
Now, by leaders do you mean staff, or do you mean leaders? Just I'm not considered staff I've noticed, but I am a leader, and I wouldn't consider a moderater a leader.

Just curious tongue.gif.

I suppose I mean both... gotta clarify that better.

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 10:29 AM

QUOTE(ShadowLink64 @ Jul 7 2007, 01:19 PM) View Post
I suppose I mean both... gotta clarify that better.

Get your head out of your ass and clarify it! How the hell are we supposed to move forwards if you keep being unclear?! tongue.gif

#25 ShadowLink64

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 10:31 AM

QUOTE(Hawk @ Jul 7 2007, 11:29 AM) View Post
Get your head out of your ass and clarify it! How the hell are we supposed to move forwards if you keep being unclear?! tongue.gif

I agree, being clear is very important. sad.gif


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