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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:22 PM

QUOTE (Urban @ Jun 10 2008, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes... that test does mean a lot. If it was the PSU that test wouldn't have errored like it did.

The test could be wrong. tongue.gif
I'ma laugh if you end up having to spend even MORE money because it wasn't the problem.

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:25 PM

QUOTE (Eric @ Jun 10 2008, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The test could be wrong. tongue.gif
I'ma laugh if you end up having to spend even MORE money because it wasn't the problem.


Yes the test the hardware test built in with PCs are completely wrong. The test could not be wrong unless my computer was magically connected to a different graphics card, which it isn't. I really wouldn't care if I had to spend more money, regardless of the fact that I won't.

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:28 PM

QUOTE (Urban @ Jun 10 2008, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes the test the hardware test built in with PCs are completely wrong. The test could not be wrong unless my computer was magically connected to a different graphics card, which it isn't. I really wouldn't care if I had to spend more money, regardless of the fact that I won't.

What error did the test show? A lack of power to the GPU could cause a lot of GPU errors.....................

Tbh if the PSU is over 350w, I don't think it is the PSU, I'm just saying a bad PSU could cause a lot of problems.

Edited by Fatal, 10 June 2008 - 05:30 PM.


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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:30 PM

QUOTE (Urban @ Jun 10 2008, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes the test the hardware test built in with PCs are completely wrong. The test could not be wrong unless my computer was magically connected to a different graphics card, which it isn't. I really wouldn't care if I had to spend more money, regardless of the fact that I won't.

Mmmm.
Well considering your like 20something(19?) charging things on your moms card I don't think you'd care.

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:32 PM

QUOTE (Eric @ Jun 10 2008, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mmmm.
Well considering your like 20something(19?) charging things on your moms card I don't think you'd care.

I'm 15 and I care a lot when I charge something on my Dad's card..... I treat his money with much respect

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:35 PM

QUOTE (Eric @ Jun 10 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mmmm.
Well considering your like 20something(19?) charging things on your moms card I don't think you'd care.


I'm 17. Furthermore, I do care, although I talked to her and she agreed to split it with me 50/50. I work and earn about $280 a week + tips, which isn't much, but it's enough to cover a graphics card expense.

QUOTE (Fatal @ Jun 10 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What error did the test show? A lack of power to the GPU could cause a lot of GPU errors.....................

Tbh if the PSU is over 350w, I don't think it is the PSU, I'm just saying a bad PSU could cause a lot of problems.


Exactly it's 375w, which is more than enough to support the 7900 GS.

Edited by Urban, 10 June 2008 - 05:34 PM.


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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:35 PM

Did you already buy it? Would it be possible for you to borrow a friends GPU for a little bit and test that to see if it is the PSU?

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:38 PM

More than enough? Not even close hahah. Thats very very borderline.

QUOTE (Hawk @ Jun 10 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did you already buy it? Would it be possible for you to borrow a friends GPU for a little bit and test that to see if it is the PSU?

That doesn't mean anything unless it was the same video card. It would be likely the card he'd be borrowing requires less power than a 7900GS, which requires a BARE minimum of 350w with a 20A +12v rail

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:39 PM

QUOTE (Urban @ Jun 10 2008, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm 17. Furthermore, I do care, although I talked to her and she agreed to split it with me 50/50. I work and earn about $280 a week + tips, which isn't much, but it's enough to cover a graphics card expense.



Exactly it's 375w, which is more than enough to support the 7900 GS.

What kind of 17 year old has a lawyer?
Never mind, this is america.


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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:42 PM

Heres a suggestion Urban, remove all but 1 stick of ram, unplug your DVD/CD drives, and if you have more than 1 hard drive, unplug all but the main OS drive. This will free up hopefully enough power to give you the answer to whether its the GPU or PSU. I still say its most likely the GPU but I say its still worth a try.

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:44 PM

QUOTE (Fatal @ Jun 10 2008, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Heres a suggestion Urban, remove all but 1 stick of ram, unplug your DVD/CD drives, and if you have more than 1 hard drive, unplug all but the main OS drive. This will free up hopefully enough power to give you the answer to whether its the GPU or PSU. I still say its most likely the GPU but I say its still worth a try.


Not worth the effort, I already ordered the card. We'll know for sure when it arrives.

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:45 PM

What card are you replacing it with?

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:46 PM

QUOTE (Urban @ Jun 10 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not worth the effort, I already ordered the card. We'll know for sure when it arrives.

Wont that new card take up more power anyway?
Correct me if I'm wrong Fatal.
card - 8600GTS

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:55 PM

QUOTE (Eric @ Jun 10 2008, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wont that new card take up more power anyway?
Correct me if I'm wrong Fatal.
card - 8600GTS

Yes the 8600GTS takes more power than a 7900GS. According to Nvidia's requirements though, they both require a MINIMUM of 350w, with 20A on the +12v rail. But regardless, 8600GTS takes up a bit more power

7900GS in general is a higher performing card too, but has no DX10 support, but they're both pretty equal performance-wise.

Edited by Fatal, 10 June 2008 - 05:57 PM.


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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:58 PM

My PSU can handle both.

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 06:00 PM

QUOTE (Urban @ Jun 10 2008, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My PSU can handle both.

Didn't you just read Fatals post? tongue.gif

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 06:00 PM

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My PSU can handle both.

Depending on the quality... 1we8.gif

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 06:03 PM

It may be able to, or may not be able to, but no matter what, his PSU is no where near optimal for either video card.

How many amps are on the +12v rail of your PSU? It says on the PSU itself.

QUOTE (Hawk @ Jun 10 2008, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Depending on the quality... 1we8.gif

Exactly, but even the best quality 375w, its still pushing it just a bit. From what I've seen, Dell's just use extremely low quality PSU's by default. Possibly different on their XPS', but I know on the Dimensions and Inspiron's they're not great

Edited by Fatal, 10 June 2008 - 06:04 PM.


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Posted 10 June 2008 - 06:07 PM

QUOTE (Hawk @ Jun 10 2008, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Depending on the quality... 1we8.gif


No, it can handle both. 8600 GTS actually does not require more PSU power (I've checked with Dell on the phone).
If the issue was with my power supply unit I don't think this problem would have started as late as it did (being 1.5 years after I purchased the PC)

Quality will not be different. I didn't just buy this card on a whim - it was after research and discussion with tech support.
The error I got 530003 (something along those lines) is not indicative of a PSU issue, especially not because the error became present right away where as a PSU issue would have shown up in the latter half of the scan. All signs point to a card problem, so I've invested in a new one.

I will honestly put money on this new card fixing my graphics problem.

Edited by Urban, 10 June 2008 - 06:08 PM.


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Posted 10 June 2008 - 06:17 PM

QUOTE (Urban @ Jun 10 2008, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, it can handle both. 8600 GTS actually does not require more PSU power (I've checked with Dell on the phone).
If the issue was with my power supply unit I don't think this problem would have started as late as it did (being 1.5 years after I purchased the PC)

Quality will not be different. I didn't just buy this card on a whim - it was after research and discussion with tech support.
The error I got 530003 (something along those lines) is not indicative of a PSU issue, especially not because the error became present right away where as a PSU issue would have shown up in the latter half of the scan. All signs point to a card problem, so I've invested in a new one.

I will honestly put money on this new card fixing my graphics problem.
Alright- Sounds like you know what you are doing. I hope this works out for you. smile.gif If not, blame the tech support. smile.gif


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Posted 10 June 2008 - 06:17 PM

I said its most likely a card problem, but I'm just saying it COULD easily be the PSU

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 06:19 PM

QUOTE (Fatal @ Jun 10 2008, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I said its most likely a card problem, but I'm just saying it COULD easily be the PSU


But I'm saying it's impossible for it to be the PSU.


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Posted 10 June 2008 - 06:21 PM

QUOTE (Urban @ Jun 10 2008, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But I'm saying it's impossible for it to be the PSU.

Definitely not impossible

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 06:22 PM

QUOTE (Fatal @ Jun 10 2008, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Definitely not impossible


Fine, not impossible, but so unlikely it seems impossible.

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE (Urban @ Jun 10 2008, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fine, not impossible, but so unlikely it seems impossible.

Lol not even close tongue.gif but whatever tongue.gif think what you want.


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