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[Bryn AKA Interhacker]

....that has already been done by a Codex programmer long ago. It's just not available to the public.

He told me it was still been worked on....

Either way, its much easier to get elseware so an idea would be instead of paying programmers to make programs, why dont they just brings the programs down a level, OR actually tell people whats in Advanced/private/retired, this way people will not just look at our downloads option and then sod off, they will know there are things to work for,

[Warlord]

How much would we charge for programs and how would you divvy up the money between site/programmer? If you charge exorbitant fees so people can cheat at a kids site then nobody will buy

Edited by Warlord, 29 October 2008 - 12:32 PM.

[Oaken]

He told me it was still been worked on....

Either way, its much easier to get elseware so an idea would be instead of paying programmers to make programs, why dont they just brings the programs down a level, OR actually tell people whats in Advanced/private/retired, this way people will not just look at our downloads option and then sod off, they will know there are things to work for,

.....what part of that idea makes more programs for Codex?

[Bryn AKA Interhacker]

.....what part of that idea makes more programs for Codex?

We dont need to make more per say, we just need to down-grade the ones we have so more people can see and use them...

And anybody who is thinking i suggets that for personal gain your wrong.. i dont even use them/

[Oaken]

We dont need to make more per say, we just need to down-grade the ones we have so more people can see and use them...

And anybody who is thinking i suggets that for personal gain your wrong.. i dont even use them/

Downgrading them would destroy Codex. If people got them too easily then they would come here, bitch about not being able to get it working....then once they have it working they will never come back.

Any site that gives all of its best programs out at member level will not survive. Any that do survive will have sections for other games.

[Bryn AKA Interhacker]

Downgrading them would destroy Codex. If people got them too easily then they would come here, bitch about not being able to get it working....then once they have it working they will never come back.

Any site that gives all of its best programs out at member level will not survive. Any that do survive will have sections for other games.

No No Nooooo.. i dont mean let members use them straight off, for instance....

Members will sign up , see the download section and see theres not much there.... and leave, but if they knew that with a few posts he could use X Y Z programs there would be somthing hardcore to work for.

Like , in my opinion there will be loads of members who dont even know there are better programs as you progress through codex, so maybe just stating the program we have in higher sections will encourage users along.

Edited by interhacker, 29 October 2008 - 01:27 PM.

[Oaken]

No No Nooooo.. i dont mean let members use them straight off, for instance....

You said "down-grade".

Not reveal.

[Bryn AKA Interhacker]

You said "down-grade".

Not reveal.

Either or

[Cory]

idk.. I feel like we're all overestimating the amount we make from ads. When I was staff, I got see our exact revenues from ads and they weren't significant. Things may have changed since then but I doubt it.
I just think we're going to need another source of revenue to finance these payments.

I wonder if Hydro ever got google ads working again

The ad revenue is more the adequate if we use the idea that raui posted. Again you have to think of the big picture. Better programs = more people = more ad revenue. So what if we loose 50 bucks or whatever the first month? The surplus for the months to come would be well worth it.

Downgrading them would destroy Codex. If people got them too easily then they would come here, bitch about not being able to get it working....then once they have it working they will never come back.

Any site that gives all of its best programs out at member level will not survive. Any that do survive will have sections for other games.

I disagree. Several other sites have the vast majority of their programs open for the public and the seem to do fine. It's not like we have any good programs higher up then advanced anyways.

[Oaken]

It's not like we have any good programs higher up then advanced anyways.

That kind of comment is going to do wonders for keeping new members.

[Bryn AKA Interhacker]

I disagree. Several other sites have the vast majority of their programs open for the public and the seem to do fine. It's not like we have any good programs higher up then advanced anyways.

."..that has already been done by a Codex programmer long ago. It's just not available to the public. "

Oaken... i knew raui`s bot was not finished thus not avalible yet but i didnt want to say

[Oaken]

Oaken... i knew raui`s bot was not finished thus not avalible yet but i didnt want to say

I was talking about a different programmer and the program is used by him alone. He was going to work on releasing it for Codex I believe but it never happened.

.....so don't try and be such a smart arse .

[Bryn AKA Interhacker]

.....so don't try and be such a smart arse .

Lol,

Edited by interhacker, 29 October 2008 - 02:02 PM.

[Daniel#1]

To tell ya the truth, i wouldn't mind paying a few dollars if the programs are good, which i'm sure there's people here that could make some really good programs.

[Kyle]

If paying a programmer was considered, we could do something like "$X.xx for every X amount of uses". That way, programmers are going to advertise/encourage people to join Codex/use their program.

With that said, I doubt that a free-forum site of this size can fully support a programming team financially. Really we need to advertise and get new members, NOT scare them away, and try to help them out as painful as it may be. When Lazer Wave released that plot program last year, we had hundreds of new members from just googleing "plot help" or whatever the keyword may be. It was a ton of nubs, but I'm sure some at least have stayed around and are semi/active. I think we need some type of premier program that will get people excited, and that is available to the public (like the Plot program was). From there, we should advertise on Neo as well as other places to get members who will stay (obviously some will leave).

We have to generate more interest from the Neo community. Nobody wants to join a Neopets cheating community if they aren't interested in Neopets. Simple as that.

But no, I think having a member pay for a program (no matter Elite or not) is completely counterproductive.

Edited by KyleBigMac, 29 October 2008 - 02:51 PM.

[Grizzly]

What we would offer is superior programs. With lower risk of freeze rates, superior methods of making np, and automated use. I don't kno about YOU personally, but I know for certain that people would pay for a program like this. And our programmers are capable of creating a program like such if there was a monetary incentive.

For all you skeptics, I'm going to cite an example from the maplestory cheating community. Many sites offered free maplestory cheats. But the most elite were kept private on most forums. Only the most trusted members were allowed access to these programs, but you could also pay to gain access. There was one specific program that signed on for you, botted for you, picked up all your shit, changed maps to avoid getting caught, and logged out and back in when necessary. The programmer charged 5$ per use and gained a shitload of money.

Tell me why we couldnt introduce all this?

Edited by Freak, 29 October 2008 - 02:58 PM.

[Cory]

Only thing against that Freak is Hydrogen has said numerous times that the whole reason of codex was to promote free, non infected programs to the masses. Neocodex filled the niche long ago that just isn't there anymore.

I think it's a good idea and would be more then willing to donate a little cash to use the programs if it went to the people who obviously deserved it.

[Grizzly]

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Also you guys seem to be failing to understand the dilemma with continually paying programmers. Our ad revenues arn't enough to finance this. If you don't want to charge member, you should try to suggest other methods of gaining revenue. We simply can't survive off 20$ a month from ads.

[Waser Lave]

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Also you guys seem to be failing to understand the dilemma with continually paying programmers. Our ad revenues arn't enough to finance this. If you don't want to charge member, you should try to suggest other methods of gaining revenue. We simply can't survive off 20$ a month from ads.

Put more ads on the downloads pages.

[Grizzly]

Only thing against that Freak is Hydrogen has said numerous times that the whole reason of codex was to promote free, non infected programs to the masses. Neocodex filled the niche long ago that just isn't there anymore.

I think it's a good idea and would be more then willing to donate a little cash to use the programs if it went to the people who obviously deserved it.

That's certainly a dilemma.. I just think all of us need to understand that times have changed, the neopets cheating community has changed, and we're not longer on top.
We can decide to pay our programmers, but where is that money going to come from? We need something more solid than our measly ad revenues.

[Cory]

We've gotten a lot more then 20$ off add in the active months. Better programs would make the site more active and put us back into being "active". Our ads have generated more then enough.

[Grizzly]

If we want to make money of ads, we're gonna need sites to pay us directly for like a big ad on the front page. Nobodies going to pay us that unfortunately until we've grown considerably.

We've gotten a lot more then 20$ off add in the active months. Better programs would make the site more active and put us back into being "active". Our ads have generated more then enough.

When I was on staff months ago, I saw the revenue sheet and it was around 20 from what I can remember. it's all a blur so I may be lying to you. Perhaps some staff could help us with that? But those were our much more active days.. so you can only imagine now.

[Cory]

Hydro had them posted in the staff section a while back, as well as he sent me the logs on MSN. I'll look to see if I can find them and post.


HEY HYDRO, CAN I POST THESE THAT YOU SENT ME? I'LL TAKE YOUR SILENCE AS A YES, KTHX.



but yeah, we had a few hundred left in the account and the adds typically brought in closer to a hundred a month AFTER bills. He did however make some changes right before his last disappearance to the ads that had us doing pretty badly so I'm not sure if he changed that or not.

[Grizzly]

Hydro had them posted in the staff section a while back, as well as he sent me the logs on MSN. I'll look to see if I can find them and post.


HEY HYDRO, CAN I POST THESE THAT YOU SENT ME? I'LL TAKE YOUR SILENCE AS A YES, KTHX.



but yeah, we had a few hundred left in the account and the adds typically brought in closer to a hundred a month AFTER bills. He did however make some changes right before his last disappearance to the ads that had us doing pretty badly so I'm not sure if he changed that or not.

Really $100 a month in profit? Are you sure? lol I'm skeptical to believe that I saw numbers close to those when I was working w finance.

However $100 a month could certainly be enough to pay programmers especially with the fund we must have collected by now.

It's still a shame not charging members when we can.. our revenues would go up significantly.. We could start paying more for better programs.. we could pay for competitions in gfx/programming.. we could even go as far to pay for the best staff members, etc. So many possibilities

[Reaper]

I guess I wouldn't mind paying for high-end programs, but not a lot of newer people would, but I think the people that are here now would if they needed too. I haven't been here long, so my opinion is probably shit, BUT, I think more advertising. The more of that you do, the more members, the more active, the more incentive to do better things. I mean, honestly, why would you keep remaking a program over and over and over if only the same people are going to use it (yes, I know it'll sharpen your skills and you might enjoy doing it) but I think if we could start a team of advertisers, that go around to other places and promote neocodex, then whats the worse that will happen? A few asses join the site? Solution to that, is ban them...I came here originally for the programs, nothing more. I then fell in love with all you people, now I'm rarely on the neopets forum (less then I used to be which I gotta change) yes, I've seen people attack people cause of something they believe in and to some people that will scare them off VERY quickly. But if we had a "welcome clan" or some shit to show people the ropes, that might be better for a newer member. I was lost when I first came here, and still am learning shit.

yeah, I had no structure to that paragraph, sue me lol