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[Hawk]

Put more ads on the downloads pages.

Part of the Codex Checks- Goes to a few add sites. xD

If there were good programs I can guarantee there would be other ways to pay the programmers.... Like sell certain stuff...

And once some decent programs get released- Advertise.

Do what Padora did -Spam every MSN group (And do it while they exist). Have a recruiting competition for a cash prize. See where that gets you.

[Grizzly]

I guess I wouldn't mind paying for high-end programs, but not a lot of newer people would, but I think the people that are here now would if they needed too. I haven't been here long, so my opinion is probably shit, BUT, I think more advertising. The more of that you do, the more members, the more active, the more incentive to do better things. I mean, honestly, why would you keep remaking a program over and over and over if only the same people are going to use it (yes, I know it'll sharpen your skills and you might enjoy doing it) but I think if we could start a team of advertisers, that go around to other places and promote neocodex, then whats the worse that will happen? A few asses join the site? Solution to that, is ban them...I came here originally for the programs, nothing more. I then fell in love with all you people, now I'm rarely on the neopets forum (less then I used to be which I gotta change) yes, I've seen people attack people cause of something they believe in and to some people that will scare them off VERY quickly. But if we had a "welcome clan" or some shit to show people the ropes, that might be better for a newer member. I was lost when I first came here, and still am learning shit.

yeah, I had no structure to that paragraph, sue me lol

Yeah you're story is pretty much everyone's. Lure em in with programs and they'll stay for the community.
But um, we don't have any lure anymore.
We have nothing to advertise.

[Cory]

Really $100 a month in profit? Are you sure? lol I'm skeptical to believe that I saw numbers close to those when I was working w finance.

However $100 a month could certainly be enough to pay programmers especially with the fund we must have collected by now.

It's still a shame not charging members when we can.. our revenues would go up significantly.. We could start paying more for better programs.. we could pay for competitions in gfx/programming.. we could even go as far to pay for the best staff members, etc. So many possibilities

The good months where over 100. There where a few months, when they where swapping hosting which had some sort of service fees and other shit that we ended up making in the low teens profit. Maybe pykle or cam if they are around can shed a little more light since I can't seem to find the files in my pm. ;(

[Grizzly]

The good months where over 100. There where a few months, when they where swapping hosting which had some sort of service fees and other shit that we ended up making in the low teens profit. Maybe pykle or cam if they are around can shed a little more light since I can't seem to find the files in my pm. ;(

Do you know if they included donations?

[Reaper]

Yeah you're story is pretty much everyone's. Lure em in with programs and they'll stay for the community.
But um, we don't have any lure anymore.
We have nothing to advertise.

You don't have to really lure them with programs...like I said we have a damn good community (expect for a few) so THATS what kept me here, NOT the programs. Plus, you can advertise with every other topic: LPC, Video games, PC games...shit like that. Even should promote Sonics drunken rampages! lol.

[Reaper]

Welcome clan (although not that name) is one of the ideas we were thinking of doing. Just talking about the issue with new members being scared away in staff and a group of people willing to help newbies is a good idea. Would be an informal team but it will likely be made quite soon.

Well then PLEASE let me be the first to join this "welcome clan" ...I don't think I'd scare TOO many people off. Seriously though, I'd like to be on that. I volunteer my time to help others If there will ever be a promotion team, count me in for that as well.

[Grizzly]

Coolio. Well I'm glad a lot of us have agreed that paying programmers is a good idea and that paying programmers through ad revenues is feasible.
Now if only admin were around.. where are they? o.o
Maybe they should start paying themselves first to get their asses moving

[Cory]

Do you know if they included donations?

That's something I do not remember.

[Grizzly]

That's something I do not remember.

Hm.. well if 100$ is in the active months.. and let's say 20$ is in the low activity months.. then we make about 60$ a month.. and if those include donations which is rather sporadic.. that's probably not good enough.

PROGRAMMERS. How much do you think it would take to motivate you to make 1337 hacks?!

[Sida]

Josh mentioned pay per use as that would encourage them to make the programs excellent, want to advertise their prog (and therefore the site), and it'd also mean they'd likely keep the program up to date.

I think a pay monthy rather than pay per use. Pay per use limits the freedom of the buyer. Pay monthly keeps the same programmer incentive aswel as allowing the users to get the full use out of the programs they buy for an entire month.

It wouldn't hurt to have 2 options. Pay per use for those that only want to use it a few times, or pay monthly.

[Grizzly]

Josh mentioned pay per use as that would encourage them to make the programs excellent, want to advertise their prog (and therefore the site), and it'd also mean they'd likely keep the program up to date.

Right that would be the most efficient way if we can get a system to calculate all that n what not.
But we still need to figure out the min amount of payment programmers would be willing to accept for their work.. then we can divide that into monthly/weekly payments based on usage or something.

I think a pay monthy rather than pay per use. Pay per use limits the freedom of the buyer. Pay monthly keeps the same programmer incentive aswel as allowing the users to get the full use out of the programs they buy for an entire month.

It wouldn't hurt to have 2 options. Pay per use for those that only want to use it a few times, or pay monthly.

We could combine those two options..
Pay programmers every month depending on how many times their programmers were used?

Added a poll if you guys are curious as to how many of us agree/disagree. With the programmers for now.

[Sida]

Right that would be the most efficient way if we can get a system to calculate all that n what not.
But we still need to figure out the min amount of payment programmers would be willing to accept for their work.. then we can divide that into monthly/weekly payments based on usage or something.



We could combine those two options..
Pay programmers every month depending on how many times their programmers were used?

Added a poll if you guys are curious as to how many of us agree/disagree. With the programmers for now.

Depends how we did it. I was thinking along the lines of $x single use, or $x for a months worth of unlimited use. Programmers should probably get a set percentage of money made from their program.

[Kyle]

Putting referrals under posts or member # in the member side bar would add incentive to recruit.

[Grizzly]

That's a pretty dumb algorithm IMO. Why not just use the system Mumei has already in place? All one needs to do is reference the Codex Check logs to see how many times the program has been used that month. Counting views and downloads would certainly lead to questionable payments (and introduce the possibility of fraud). With the Codex Check logs you get to see every member who ever logged in (and at what time, with what flags, etc.).

And the administrators are still alive I was talking to Faraaz last night. We're going to try and meet soon so hopefully we'll get time to discuss this subject assuming it's still up for discussion at that time. He's just been really busy with uni lately and from what he told me doesn't expect to be available till around Christmas break.

I don't agree with the algorithm either, but we can't simply consider the number of uses.. The number of uses doesn't accurately portray how useful a program is. It could very easily be that a daily do-er could get as many uses as a good automated AB-er, but the latter is obviously more useful and takes longer to build. I think we need to put in a subjective value of the program as well.

Any ideas?

[Oaken]

By the way...should some form of charge be put in place, programs could be free for Private plus . That way there is still the incentive to work hard at attaining those ranks.

[Sida]

I see only one problem with that. If programs get more cash for being in a higher rank, programmers are going to put there programs as high as possible purely for the fact they're getting more profit. I think you'd have to have a completely seperate area for Elite/payable programs.

[Cory]

Maybe a cap per program but not per programmer, and I would set he per program pretty high.


If it's pay programmers per use then there won't be an issue with things being higher, even if their is a higher pay amount. Your always going to have more usage in lower ranks simply because there is more people. 1 program in retired would be unlikely to get more then ten uses a week or whatever simply because there are few retired members and out of the few even less still play neo, same goes for retired. Programmers should/would rather put out good quality programs for member / advanced member where it could get the most hits even if they get a few % less per use they'd still be getting a lot higher usage rate.

[Sida]

Maybe a cap per program but not per programmer, and I would set he per program pretty high.


If it's pay programmers per use then there won't be an issue with things being higher, even if their is a higher pay amount. Your always going to have more usage in lower ranks simply because there is more people. 1 program in retired would be unlikely to get more then ten uses a week or whatever simply because there are few retired members and out of the few even less still play neo, same goes for retired. Programmers should/would rather put out good quality programs for member / advanced member where it could get the most hits even if they get a few % less per use they'd still be getting a lot higher usage rate.

I thought it was going to be specific programs that users can purchase from a rank higher than their own? If that's the case then it the number of users in any given usergroup won't matter and the higher programs will have more of a 'lure' attatched to them. Meh, either way this thing's gonna take a lot of setting up and fiddling with. Rush it and we're screwed.

[Cory]

this thing's gonna take a lot of setting up and fiddling with. Rush it and we're screwed.

Yup, which is why this won't happen and we're just talking to have general conversation. :>

[Oaken]

I'm sure it could be planned out properly if the admins....forget it .....

[Hawk]

Yup, which is why this won't happen and we're just talking to have general conversation. :>

^What he said.

[Bryn AKA Interhacker]

^What he said.

What he said that he said, said.

Edited by interhacker, 29 October 2008 - 07:31 PM.

[Sida]

Another problem is with currency. A program worth $10 to you Americans, is also worth £10 to us Brits. £10 = $20...see the problem?

[Grizzly]

I don't think we should leave it up to the administrators. That creates unnecessary work for them to test every program, and will inevitably create delay for payments.

Why don't we simply leave it up to the member's votes. The members are the ones that use programs anyways, and I don't think anyone can better be a judge of its usefulness.

[Sida]

Well to be honest I think we should consider the $1k first It's really not an imaginary number. I know a lot of friends who have sold hacks before and made a ton of money off of it.

Yup. There are forums and communities that are completely based around a single program/hack with a great deal of members. If this is really going to happen then users will have to be charged for the elite programs. Trying to do it from ads just won't work well enough.