Jesus Christ I apologized already, and didn't mean it in a condescending way. Was extremely tired when I posted that. Everybody get over it already. ;;
Do you believe in god?
#51
Posted 14 January 2009 - 02:18 AM
Jesus Christ I apologized already, and didn't mean it in a condescending way. Was extremely tired when I posted that. Everybody get over it already. ;;
#52
Posted 14 January 2009 - 08:35 AM
#53 Guest_Ali_*
Posted 14 January 2009 - 09:49 AM
I don't feel like I'm getting jumped. *Shrugs*
#54
Posted 14 January 2009 - 10:16 AM
I'll add my opinions in a bit. Must sleep.
haha no
#55
Posted 15 January 2009 - 03:44 AM
God can do anything in all realms of possibility. Just because you created a paradox doesn't disprove an existence of something.
You're always ridiciuled by your peers before being accepted by them.
I apologize if you feel I was being condescending.
It may be coincidence if these conditions so to speak, were created on the spot, in a fraction of time. But these conditions were created over billions of years, and there have been plenty of studies documented proving that science is the actual cause for the creation of life.
"Nothing is true, everying is permitted"
First of all, you have to live the worse to appreciate the best. If you didn't have horrors and negative aspects of life, then how can you appreicate the positives? Without bad, there is no good. Also, you forget to mention the act of freewill which is constantly reminded to people throughout the bible and sermons, this affects everything.
Just because you are taught something, read something or see something, doesn't necessairily (sp) make it true. Media text is written by someone, for a reason, and it is not the subject that is under question, it is the author. You can't proove something with 100% fact as seen in many theories, and therefore science, logic and facts are easily disputed.
I'll admit, all religion requires blind faith and many athesits constantly attack this, but if you have blind faith in science, then you are just calling the kettle black Mr. Pot.
Personally, I'm agonstic. I have never felt close to a God or deity more powerful to me, but would like to assume that someone or thing is there for me to find. I can't accept that when we die, our existence is over and we rot. End of. Done. That doesn't seem very attractive and I'd like to believe something else waits for me.
#56
Posted 15 January 2009 - 05:53 AM
#57
Posted 15 January 2009 - 07:24 AM
There is genuine evidence to support most scientific findings, unlike religion.
#58
Posted 15 January 2009 - 07:38 AM
Just right enough.
#59
Posted 15 January 2009 - 09:55 AM
Just right enough.
Define enough.
#60
Posted 15 January 2009 - 10:49 AM
#61
Posted 15 January 2009 - 11:19 AM
Just because this is what you want, doesn't mean it is so.
This. Unlike religion.
On a subjective stance one may think that there is more evidence to support most scientific things rather than religious, but you are certainly not qualified to make that statement absolute.
Complex phenomenons or questions aimed at scientific hypotheses to be proved?
Why is it that practically every religious hypothesis that existed in the past that had something to do with god has been disproved? Because science disproved it. Do you believe your physics professor when he teaches you something, or do you just take is as bullocks?
Also, how is it that there are so many different religions that are 'correct' in their hypotheses, and only 1 science? Are they all right in their assumptions? Of course not, because they are all completely different. They all have different gods, and different beliefs.
Now let me ask you another question. Do you believe in math? Do you believe that 2+2=4? And do you believe in mathematical proofs, ie. Pythagoras's Theorem a2+b2=c2? Then take this into account. Using an elegant vacuum fluctuation model, Stephen Hawking and James Hartle (a professor at the University of California at Santa Barbara) were able to provide a mathematical rationalization for the entire universe popping into existence at the beginning of time. This is also called the "universe as a wave function." I need to emphasize that they were using very simple models.
#62
Posted 15 January 2009 - 11:23 AM
True, I never said anything about my faith being truthful though. You assumed that.
Complex phenomenons or questions aimed at scientific hypotheses to be proved?
Why is it that practically every religious hypothesis that existed in the past that had something to do with god has been disproved? Because science disproved it. Do you believe your physics professor when he teaches you something, or do you just take is as bullocks?
Also, how is it that there are so many different religions that are 'correct' in their hypotheses, and only 1 science? Are they all right in their assumptions? Of course not, because they are all completely different. They all have different gods, and different beliefs.
Now let me ask you another question. Do you believe in math? Do you believe that 2+2=4? And do you believe in mathematical proofs, ie. Pythagoras's Theorem a2+b2=c2? Then take this into account. Using an elegant vacuum fluctuation model, Stephen Hawking and James Hartle (a professor at the University of California at Santa Barbara) were able to provide a mathematical rationalization for the entire universe popping into existence at the beginning of time. This is also called the "universe as a wave function." I need to emphasize that they were using very simple models.
Just because you read something in a book, doesn't mean it's true either. Just because someone teaches you something, doesn't mean it's true.
Nothing is true, everything is permitted.
#63
Posted 15 January 2009 - 01:07 PM
Just right enough.
Which is why I support all people being open minded to other theories and giving respect to those who believe differently. They can still believe in their heart what path they follow is right, but at the same time, they should be able to accept the possibility that they are wrong. I don't believe anyone should be preaching anything as the absolute truth. Science classes no matter what should remain science classes, though. I'd never say otherwise
#64
Posted 17 January 2009 - 12:11 PM
The search for truth has been happening ever since mankind walked this earth. I wouldn't say that the general population is "losing truth", but is rather exploring new ways of searching for it. A person can hardly blame the members of our generation for abandoning many of the archaic ways of thinking for something that makes "more sense" to them, especially with the advances we are now seeing in technology. It's not just the atheists and agnostics taking this stance, just look at how many denominations of Christianity there are now that disagree on many of the little things of the Bible. Even creation science is even a more modern way to look at Christianity, for some Christians.
#65
Posted 17 January 2009 - 02:59 PM
Religion is separation. But I believe there is a God through my experiences. You can't really accept that with pure reason or logic. It's kind of like an instinct, belief and faith, not something you just decide to make happen.
#66
Posted 21 January 2009 - 10:09 PM
God damnit, and if someone doesnt reply after I set them up so easy, I'm gonna kick all of everyones asses.
#67
Posted 22 January 2009 - 05:55 AM
God damnit, and if someone doesnt reply after I set them up so easy, I'm gonna kick all of everyones asses.
God works in mysterious ways?
#68
Posted 28 January 2009 - 09:14 PM
But no, I don't believe in God. No need to. Was a Christian for a bit and a fagbasher at that, gave it up to be a spiritualist atheist turned dabbling in kabbalah and islam in 2006. Since then, I've become a born again atheist in 2008. I accepted Richard Dawkins as my savior (from superstition.) I still like Christian philosophy studies, but its just philosophy to me, a way of explaining stuff that has certain questionabilities to it at best.
#69
Posted 22 February 2009 - 01:28 PM
#70
Posted 22 February 2009 - 03:39 PM
World War 1+2 has a higher death toll than religious related deaths methinks. Not saying religion hasnt caused a crapload of deaths though
#71
Posted 22 February 2009 - 06:33 PM
Um.. what about Israel? There's a constant war there because of religion. And the crusades? How many people died from that? Joan of Arc anyone? How many countless christians were crucified? And then after the Catholic church came along, how many pagans died? Salem Witch Trials? Or the happy folks who committed suicide in 9/11 for the sake of their God?
I'm not 100% positive that more people didn't die in WWI + II. The Jews not only got killed by Hitler, but they've been persecuted for over 5000 years. Since religion has been invented, people have died for it. Great lulz right there.
Of course I'd like to add that I'm not a Zionist. In fact I think antisemitism is really fucking cool. But yeah...
#72
Posted 22 February 2009 - 06:39 PM
I'm not 100% positive that more people didn't die in WWI + II. The Jews not only got killed by Hitler, but they've been persecuted for over 5000 years. Since religion has been invented, people have died for it. Great lulz right there.
Of course I'd like to add that I'm not a Zionist. In fact I think antisemitism is really fucking cool. But yeah...
What the fuck? Why would you think THAT?
#73
Posted 22 February 2009 - 06:40 PM
Jews play stupid games. Jews. That's why they're lame.
Edited by Amour, 22 February 2009 - 06:41 PM.
#74
Posted 22 February 2009 - 06:57 PM
#75
Posted 22 February 2009 - 07:05 PM
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