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#51 Lawivido

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 02:18 AM

QUOTE (Kitsune @ Jan 14 2009, 02:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Danny. You came off condescending and insulting, and you instigated problems from the start, don't act so surprised that you pissed someone off.

Jesus Christ I apologized already, and didn't mean it in a condescending way. Was extremely tired when I posted that. Everybody get over it already. dry.gif;;

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 08:35 AM

I totally agree with what Tets saying. I believe there is a God...everything from how the planet was made to how our body functions is fucking amazing. While it could be coincidence, I can't believe that. I believe that there was a Jesus...but as someone else pointed out that tons of people writing the stuff down a lot later then when he lived is hard to believe. In my "religion" theft, murder is all a balance...while not good, its ment to happen for a purpose. Everything's just so truly breathtaking, from reproduction to the start of the world for there not to be some higher presence.

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 09:49 AM

QUOTE (Dang @ Jan 14 2009, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, why is it only the ones that believe in god that feel like their getting jumped?

I don't feel like I'm getting jumped. *Shrugs*

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 10:16 AM

QUOTE (Dang @ Jan 13 2009, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Answer please. And keep it civil. The immature need not enter.

I'll add my opinions in a bit. Must sleep.

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 03:44 AM

QUOTE (ericcc! @ Jan 14 2009, 03:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can god create a rock so big not even he can lift it?


God can do anything in all realms of possibility. Just because you created a paradox doesn't disprove an existence of something.

QUOTE (Waser Lave @ Jan 14 2009, 04:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And I believe that the book which Josh mentioned has been more or less ridiculed by actual scientists. 1we8.gif


You're always ridiciuled by your peers before being accepted by them.


QUOTE (Dang @ Jan 14 2009, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If life is beautiful then why is there corruption and greed? Theft, and murder? Life is, as Random said, far from perfect, imo. Maybe the concept of life is beautiful, but definitely not the current state.

I apologize if you feel I was being condescending.

It may be coincidence if these conditions so to speak, were created on the spot, in a fraction of time. But these conditions were created over billions of years, and there have been plenty of studies documented proving that science is the actual cause for the creation of life.


"Nothing is true, everying is permitted"

First of all, you have to live the worse to appreciate the best. If you didn't have horrors and negative aspects of life, then how can you appreicate the positives? Without bad, there is no good. Also, you forget to mention the act of freewill which is constantly reminded to people throughout the bible and sermons, this affects everything.

Just because you are taught something, read something or see something, doesn't necessairily (sp) make it true. Media text is written by someone, for a reason, and it is not the subject that is under question, it is the author. You can't proove something with 100% fact as seen in many theories, and therefore science, logic and facts are easily disputed.

I'll admit, all religion requires blind faith and many athesits constantly attack this, but if you have blind faith in science, then you are just calling the kettle black Mr. Pot.

Personally, I'm agonstic. I have never felt close to a God or deity more powerful to me, but would like to assume that someone or thing is there for me to find. I can't accept that when we die, our existence is over and we rot. End of. Done. That doesn't seem very attractive and I'd like to believe something else waits for me.

#56 Raui

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 05:53 AM

I believe in a creative force. If you want a rough description my god is nature.

#57 Mr. Hobo

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 07:24 AM

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I'll admit, all religion requires blind faith and many athesits constantly attack this, but if you have blind faith in science, then you are just calling the kettle black Mr. Pot.


There is genuine evidence to support most scientific findings, unlike religion.

#58 Sweeney

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 07:38 AM

No scientist thinks they are absolutely right.
Just right enough.

#59 Frizzle

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 09:55 AM

QUOTE (Sunscorch @ Jan 15 2009, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No scientist thinks they are absolutely right.
Just right enough.


Define enough.

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 10:49 AM

QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jan 15 2009, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Define enough.

Less wrong than before.

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 11:19 AM

QUOTE (PSEUDOPSEUDOHYPOPARATHYROI @ Jan 15 2009, 03:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't accept that when we die, our existence is over and we rot. End of. Done. That doesn't seem very attractive and I'd like to believe something else waits for me.

Just because this is what you want, doesn't mean it is so.

QUOTE (Mr. Hobo @ Jan 15 2009, 07:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There is genuine evidence to support most scientific findings, unlike religion.

This. Unlike religion.

QUOTE (Josh @ Jan 15 2009, 07:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The point was that many people place their faith in science because they do not have the knowledge to fully comprehend all of the complex phenomenons that occur during the random creation of the Earth and life as we know it. Even the best scientists still rely on chance and place their faith in the fact that their conclusions must be absolutely true.

On a subjective stance one may think that there is more evidence to support most scientific things rather than religious, but you are certainly not qualified to make that statement absolute.

Complex phenomenons or questions aimed at scientific hypotheses to be proved?

Why is it that practically every religious hypothesis that existed in the past that had something to do with god has been disproved? Because science disproved it. Do you believe your physics professor when he teaches you something, or do you just take is as bullocks?

Also, how is it that there are so many different religions that are 'correct' in their hypotheses, and only 1 science? Are they all right in their assumptions? Of course not, because they are all completely different. They all have different gods, and different beliefs.

Now let me ask you another question. Do you believe in math? Do you believe that 2+2=4? And do you believe in mathematical proofs, ie. Pythagoras's Theorem a2+b2=c2? Then take this into account. Using an elegant vacuum fluctuation model, Stephen Hawking and James Hartle (a professor at the University of California at Santa Barbara) were able to provide a mathematical rationalization for the entire universe popping into existence at the beginning of time. This is also called the "universe as a wave function." I need to emphasize that they were using very simple models.

#62 Frizzle

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 11:23 AM

QUOTE (Dang @ Jan 15 2009, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just because this is what you want, doesn't mean it is so.

True, I never said anything about my faith being truthful though. You assumed that.

Complex phenomenons or questions aimed at scientific hypotheses to be proved?

Why is it that practically every religious hypothesis that existed in the past that had something to do with god has been disproved? Because science disproved it. Do you believe your physics professor when he teaches you something, or do you just take is as bullocks?

Also, how is it that there are so many different religions that are 'correct' in their hypotheses, and only 1 science? Are they all right in their assumptions? Of course not, because they are all completely different. They all have different gods, and different beliefs.

Now let me ask you another question. Do you believe in math? Do you believe that 2+2=4? And do you believe in mathematical proofs, ie. Pythagoras's Theorem a2+b2=c2? Then take this into account. Using an elegant vacuum fluctuation model, Stephen Hawking and James Hartle (a professor at the University of California at Santa Barbara) were able to provide a mathematical rationalization for the entire universe popping into existence at the beginning of time. This is also called the "universe as a wave function." I need to emphasize that they were using very simple models.


Just because you read something in a book, doesn't mean it's true either. Just because someone teaches you something, doesn't mean it's true.

Nothing is true, everything is permitted.


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Posted 15 January 2009 - 01:07 PM

QUOTE (Sunscorch @ Jan 15 2009, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No scientist thinks they are absolutely right.
Just right enough.

Which is why I support all people being open minded to other theories and giving respect to those who believe differently. They can still believe in their heart what path they follow is right, but at the same time, they should be able to accept the possibility that they are wrong. I don't believe anyone should be preaching anything as the absolute truth. Science classes no matter what should remain science classes, though. I'd never say otherwise tongue.gif

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Posted 17 January 2009 - 12:11 PM

QUOTE (Josh @ Jan 15 2009, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Our generation has already began to feel the effects of the loss of truth.

The search for truth has been happening ever since mankind walked this earth. I wouldn't say that the general population is "losing truth", but is rather exploring new ways of searching for it. A person can hardly blame the members of our generation for abandoning many of the archaic ways of thinking for something that makes "more sense" to them, especially with the advances we are now seeing in technology. It's not just the atheists and agnostics taking this stance, just look at how many denominations of Christianity there are now that disagree on many of the little things of the Bible. Even creation science is even a more modern way to look at Christianity, for some Christians.

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Posted 17 January 2009 - 02:59 PM

Wow what a waste of 10 minutes reading responses that was......

Religion is separation. But I believe there is a God through my experiences. You can't really accept that with pure reason or logic. It's kind of like an instinct, belief and faith, not something you just decide to make happen.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 10:09 PM

No, I don't believe in a God because I had a rough life and there must therefore be no God by experience.

God damnit, and if someone doesnt reply after I set them up so easy, I'm gonna kick all of everyones asses.

#67 Ender

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 05:55 AM

QUOTE (Athean @ Jan 22 2009, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, I don't believe in a God because I had a rough life and there must therefore be no God by experience.

God damnit, and if someone doesnt reply after I set them up so easy, I'm gonna kick all of everyones asses.

God works in mysterious ways?

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 09:14 PM

Thank you, fuck, I thought that one wouldn't clear.

But no, I don't believe in God. No need to. Was a Christian for a bit and a fagbasher at that, gave it up to be a spiritualist atheist turned dabbling in kabbalah and islam in 2006. Since then, I've become a born again atheist in 2008. I accepted Richard Dawkins as my savior (from superstition.) I still like Christian philosophy studies, but its just philosophy to me, a way of explaining stuff that has certain questionabilities to it at best.

#69 Amour

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 01:28 PM

God is awesome. More violence has come from religion than any other cause. What's not to love?

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 03:39 PM

QUOTE (Amour @ Feb 22 2009, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
God is awesome. More violence has come from religion than any other cause. What's not to love?


World War 1+2 has a higher death toll than religious related deaths methinks. Not saying religion hasnt caused a crapload of deaths though

#71 Amour

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 06:33 PM

QUOTE (Mr. Hobo @ Feb 22 2009, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
World War 1+2 has a higher death toll than religious related deaths methinks. Not saying religion hasnt caused a crapload of deaths though


Um.. what about Israel? There's a constant war there because of religion. And the crusades? How many people died from that? Joan of Arc anyone? How many countless christians were crucified? And then after the Catholic church came along, how many pagans died? Salem Witch Trials? Or the happy folks who committed suicide in 9/11 for the sake of their God?

I'm not 100% positive that more people didn't die in WWI + II. The Jews not only got killed by Hitler, but they've been persecuted for over 5000 years. Since religion has been invented, people have died for it. Great lulz right there.

Of course I'd like to add that I'm not a Zionist. In fact I think antisemitism is really fucking cool. But yeah...

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 06:39 PM

QUOTE (Amour @ Feb 22 2009, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Um.. what about Israel? There's a constant war there because of religion. And the crusades? How many people died from that? Joan of Arc anyone? How many countless christians were crucified? And then after the Catholic church came along, how many pagans died? Salem Witch Trials? Or the happy folks who committed suicide in 9/11 for the sake of their God?

I'm not 100% positive that more people didn't die in WWI + II. The Jews not only got killed by Hitler, but they've been persecuted for over 5000 years. Since religion has been invented, people have died for it. Great lulz right there.

Of course I'd like to add that I'm not a Zionist. In fact I think antisemitism is really fucking cool. But yeah...

What the fuck? Why would you think THAT?

#73 Amour

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 06:40 PM

QUOTE (Tetiel @ Feb 22 2009, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What the fuck? Why would you think THAT?


Jews play stupid games. Jews. That's why they're lame.

Edited by Amour, 22 February 2009 - 06:41 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2009 - 06:57 PM

Uh... huh. Might I remind you that this is the debate section and comments usually are taken seriously. I understand the need to be "lulzy" but it's not generally appreciated here.

#75 Amour

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 07:05 PM

Might I remind you that I was just a girl when the infidels came to my village in their apache helicopters and mirage jets, waving their white and blue flags. The infidels fired at the oil fields and they lit up like the eyes of Allah. Burning oil rained down from the sky and cooked everything it touched. I could only hide myself and cry as my goats were consumed by the fiery black liquid death. In the midst of the chaos, I could swear that I heard my goats screaming for help. As quickly as they had come, the infidels were gone. It was on that day I put a jihad on them. And if you don't believe it, then you'd better get me banned now, because I'll put a jihad on you, too.


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