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#51 Justin

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Posted 14 February 2009 - 04:29 PM

One thing I'm confused about. How can Jin meet Rousseau in the past? Didn't Daniel say it was impossible to make something happen that didn't happen or whatever? Like, Jin shouldn't be able to meet her in the past, if he never knew her before in the present. That sounds confusing, and it is.. Anyone able to clear it up? Maybe I misunderstood?


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Posted 14 February 2009 - 04:33 PM

QUOTE (Justin @ Feb 14 2009, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One thing I'm confused about. How can Jin meet Rousseau in the past? Didn't Daniel say it was impossible to make something happen that didn't happen or whatever? Like, Jin shouldn't be able to meet her in the past, if he never knew her before in the present. That sounds confusing, and it is.. Anyone able to clear it up? Maybe I misunderstood?


Yeah, but that might have happened in the past....it is very confusing, but he didn't change anything. All her people still died by that "monster" and so more than likely he never changed what was bound to happen, thats why I didn't think anything of it. He only met her because the light had flashed and they were in the past. One thing about lost, they sure can confuse the hell out of people. Sorry if I've confused your more, or didn't answer your question, lol. Thats just the way I made myself understand


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Posted 14 February 2009 - 05:25 PM

QUOTE (Justin @ Feb 14 2009, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One thing I'm confused about. How can Jin meet Rousseau in the past? Didn't Daniel say it was impossible to make something happen that didn't happen or whatever? Like, Jin shouldn't be able to meet her in the past, if he never knew her before in the present. That sounds confusing, and it is.. Anyone able to clear it up? Maybe I misunderstood?

Reaper is basically right. Yup, he said that you cannot make altercations to the past even if you tried (one example is Daniel going into the past to when Charlotte was a little girl and telling her not to come back. He tried to prevent her death, but it didn't work.) But I'm pretty positive Jin has met Rousseau before in the present. Why she didn't recognize him I can't answer. Maybe since he only appeared and disappeared in front of her briefly, she thought he never existed? Who knows. But yeah anyway, everything that was supposed to happen still happened really. She still shot her entire expedition dead when they got the sickness and Alex was still taken away from her. Also Jin prevented her from going down into the Temple with her team, so everything that was supposed to happen still happened and she didn't get the sickness. But the does bring up the issue as to what would have happened if Jin didn't stop her from going down into the Temple. If what Daniel says is true, then she would have somehow not gone down anyway, but it's still curious.

I guess since he didn't try to prevent anything from happening that was supposed to happen, it didn't matter? Like he was supposed to stop Rousseau from going into the Temple? Idk, that's how I see it. tongue.gif


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Posted 14 February 2009 - 08:36 PM

IDGAF about the rest of the episode - I want to know what the fucking monster is.

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Posted 14 February 2009 - 08:51 PM

QUOTE (tjGunter @ Feb 14 2009, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
IDGAF about the rest of the episode - I want to know what the fucking monster is.

uh what? Have you not seen seasons 1-3?
monster = black smoke = island security system


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Posted 14 February 2009 - 09:00 PM

QUOTE (Alex @ Feb 14 2009, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
uh what? Have you not seen seasons 1-3?
monster = black smoke = island security system


Wow, I knew that. But exactly what is it, what makes it work? Living entity? machine? spirit? speculations are around, but nothing confirmed.

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Posted 14 February 2009 - 09:03 PM

QUOTE (tjGunter @ Feb 14 2009, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, I knew that. But exactly what is it, what makes it work? Living entity? machine? spirit? speculations are around, but nothing confirmed.

lol dude its Lost. I gurantee you there is no explanation and the writers never had one in mind. They have carte blanche to create whatever the hell they want with no explanation and just attribute it to the mystical power of the island. I bet they will never explain what the island really is either.



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Posted 14 February 2009 - 09:40 PM

QUOTE (Alex @ Feb 14 2009, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lol dude its Lost. I gurantee you there is no explanation and the writers never had one in mind. They have carte blanche to create whatever the hell they want with no explanation and just attribute it to the mystical power of the island. I bet they will never explain what the island really is either.


They've said in tons of interviews that everything will be explained and make sense. *shrug* lol

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Posted 14 February 2009 - 10:23 PM

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Posted 14 February 2009 - 11:27 PM

QUOTE (Reaper @ Feb 14 2009, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They've said in tons of interviews that everything will be explained and make sense. *shrug* lol

Are you gullible enough to believe that? Its season 5 and they've explained maybe 5% of the things.

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Posted 14 February 2009 - 11:53 PM

QUOTE (Alex @ Feb 14 2009, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you gullible enough to believe that? Its season 5 and they've explained maybe 5% of the things.


HAVE YOU SEEN SEASONS 1-4?

it went from 100% questions, and then started to bring up a LOT more answers in end 3/through season 4.... mind you there's still an entire 17 episode season 6, and 12 episodes of season 5 remaining. I'm expecting the latter half of S5 to answer a lot, and the whole of S6 to be pure answers.

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 12:22 AM

QUOTE (tjGunter @ Feb 15 2009, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HAVE YOU SEEN SEASONS 1-4?

it went from 100% questions, and then started to bring up a LOT more answers in end 3/through season 4.... mind you there's still an entire 17 episode season 6, and 12 episodes of season 5 remaining. I'm expecting the latter half of S5 to answer a lot, and the whole of S6 to be pure answers.

This. tongue.gif
Once the second half of season 3 hit, more and more answers were being released than ever before. Yeah there are a lot of questions to be answered, but I have hope that the very large majority of them, if not all, will be answered.

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 11:50 AM

QUOTE (Black Flame @ Feb 15 2009, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This. tongue.gif
Once the second half of season 3 hit, more and more answers were being released than ever before. Yeah there are a lot of questions to be answered, but I have hope that the very large majority of them, if not all, will be answered.


Yup, if they don't answer them though, I'll be super pissed, lol. But they've answered some things, but season 6 should be non stop action. I read somewhere its gonna be non stop action till the ending of the show, there isn't going to be a lot of downtime. So far, I think we can all agree, they are raising more questions, but they are actually explaining more now as well. I wish that they'd bring back the commercials for the airlines. I used to call them, and it was pretty cool. I've called ever single number they've posted in commerical or on lost itself. Anyone else do that, or am I the only one? lol

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 09:31 PM

Don't read unless you've watched tonights episode!!

OMG, tonights episode was very good. It was nice to have some stuff answered. Glad to see at least 3 of them made it back to the island, but I'm hoping the other 3 (I'm possibly miscounting) made it as well. It was good to see Jin, although that brand new bus and him in Dharma clothing did confuse me quite a bit, but I'll worry about that later. He seemed to have recognized them, so something must have happened on the island while we were watching the 6 that got off the island. It seems that next weeks previews also says something about John coming back...I was pretty sure that would happen cause he was the "chosen" one of the island. This episode has renewed my faith in Lost...lol.


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Posted 18 February 2009 - 09:57 PM

QUOTE (Reaper @ Feb 19 2009, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't read unless you've watched tonights episode!!

OMG, tonights episode was very good. It was nice to have some stuff answered. Glad to see at least 3 of them made it back to the island, but I'm hoping the other 3 (I'm possibly miscounting) made it as well. It was good to see Jin, although that brand new bus and him in Dharma clothing did confuse me quite a bit, but I'll worry about that later. He seemed to have recognized them, so something must have happened on the island while we were watching the 6 that got off the island. It seems that next weeks previews also says something about John coming back...I was pretty sure that would happen cause he was the "chosen" one of the island. This episode has renewed my faith in Lost...lol.

Well they all should have made it back for sure. We'll definitely find out where Ben, Locke, Sun, and maybe Frank are next week. Yeah the thing with Jin completely threw me off. tongue.gif I would think maybe he time-shifted to the time before Ben purged the Dharma initiative and he's doing something to help with...the future? That's my theory, who knows. tongue.gif It was refreshing to see Eloise just give that long explanation about the island. Lost giving answers /that/ easily is rare. tongue.gif It seems that the proxy (Christian, Locke) seem to come back to life or maybe be some sort of illusion? I'm sure we'll find out soon. I thought last week's was a little better, but a very good episode definitely. The time-shifting gamble is pulling off very well so far imo.


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Posted 19 February 2009 - 06:46 AM

The reason you can't change the future in the past is because whatever you do has already happened.

For example, Jin was always the person that stopped Russeau following her expedition-mates down the hole. As for why she didn't recognise Jin in the present... well it was sixteen years ago, and she is batshit insane tongue.gif


I loved last nights episode. I thought it was one of the best yet.

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Posted 27 February 2009 - 07:20 AM

Lost was decent this week...but it focused mainly on John which was nice cause now we know that he died and hes alive again somehow...only question is, why did Ben kill him? Anyone got any theories on that?


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Posted 27 February 2009 - 11:03 AM

The new episode sucked balls! Awful dialogue, no action. Basically took them 43 minutes to explain how Locke died.


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Posted 28 February 2009 - 06:43 PM

TBH I got the most intense chills and started jumping around when I saw locke was alive...I get goosebumps talking about it now.


QUOTE (Reaper @ Feb 27 2009, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lost was decent this week...but it focused mainly on John which was nice cause now we know that he died and hes alive again somehow...only question is, why did Ben kill him? Anyone got any theories on that?


John is destined to lead the island into revolution, or something..(discussed in his conversation with Whitmore). I don't know why Ben SAVED Locke. Ben SAYS he wants John to go to the island...but he really doesn't. John knowing about Elouise will get him back to the island - and Ben can't have that. So Ben kills locke to keep him from going back. In the future, when Ben says John needs to go back along with the rest of the O6, Ben doens't know John will be brought back to life.

As to why John was revived? Same reason he was able to walk the first time - the island needs him.



-insert moar goosebumps-

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 09:33 PM

These spoilers are dumb. I refuse to do them. This whole topic is about discussing Lost episodes, every topic is a spoiler, that is pointless.

I cant believe you didn't foresee Locke coming back to life. That was clear as day

Edited by Alex, 28 February 2009 - 09:33 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2009 - 06:46 PM

QUOTE (Alex @ Feb 28 2009, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
These spoilers are dumb. I refuse to do them. This whole topic is about discussing Lost episodes, every topic is a spoiler, that is pointless.



This



QUOTE (Alex @ Feb 28 2009, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I cant believe you didn't foresee Locke coming back to life. That was clear as day



I don't know how I didn't see that coming, either.

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 07:26 PM

My initial impression was that the dead guy was a clone, like those rabbits we saw, that were cloned in the Darma experiments

#73 Amour

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 02:45 PM

A lot of series doesn't answer all the questions at the end of it. Like X-Files.

#74 Justin

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 02:07 PM

This episode makes things so confusing I don't even know where to begin.

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 04:06 PM

QUOTE (Justin @ Mar 5 2009, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This episode makes things so confusing I don't even know where to begin.



It's not just this one, each episode that comes out makes it more confusing. After like the 5th episode is where they lost me. I still watch them though because I still like them, I just don't always get what's going on. thumbsup.gif


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