Must be a bitch for all the people who were married before the church became established and marriage registrations took place. Marriage really has nothing to do with either the church or the state but it's become so mutated that people now think it's the sole preserve of one or the other.
Again I stated my side using the modern term for marriage. You just said it's become mutated. That's the 'evolution' of the word throughout our society up to its current definition.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Yes you are married once you sign that paper...there is a reason it says "CERTIFICATE OF MARRIAGE" on it LOL!
You don't understand, I was saying that because of the definition of marriage (as defined in the dictionary, not legally), that a union withholding the religious recognition is nothing more than a union that is civilly recognized.
No you were just wrong.
You don't understand, I was saying that because of the definition of marriage (as defined in the dictionary, not legally), that a union withholding the religious recognition is nothing more than a union that is civilly recognized.
Nox just reiterated (perhaps more cohesively) what I said about marriage predating organized monotheistic religion, and therefore the term isn't the property of Christianity. I, too, noted that a marriage license is the legal document which makes a partnership official.
Your "devil's advocate" business is a white flag in disguise. If you were wrong, say you were wrong.
I agree that it should exist as a means for the non-religious couples to officially declare their kinship; however, it's currently instated as a booby prize for same-sex couples.
I'm arguing for a true civil union, being that the only difference is that it's up to the church (or whatever else) to decide whether or not they want to endorse the marriage. Irregardless of sex.
Endorse meaning to have a ceremony/wedding? The church does not have the legal right, at least in the United States, to refuse to endorse any legal marital contract or document.
Just for the record,
irregardless isn't a real word.
I know that marriage predates monotheistic religion. But because of the churches involvement, it has evolved to form the modern day definition that we have now.
I've already stated I was playing Devils Advocate in this topic, before I even started the debate.
Endorse meaning recognize. For instance, there should be no debates on whether they're not civilly joined, rather the 'spiritual' recognition they seek chooses not to acknowledge their kinship (as it's already instated for heterosexual couples).