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#51 MiladyM

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Posted 04 September 2010 - 04:07 AM

I agree with it as long as the person actually wants it...though this could be pretty hard to find out. they could be under pressure from family etc.

If they are in pain and WANT to end it, why not? Suicide isnt illegal (that would be pretty pointless though, lol) so why should it be illegal to help someone who CANT commit suicide...

Bit of a dark subject


Aslong as the person actually wants it...So what about people that are depressed and really want to die like this but doesnt want to commit suicide. I dont mean people who have been depressed for a couple of years, i mean longterm, totally messed up, probably wont recover... what then?
I think that it should only be allowed in extreme cases where the people are just laying on their deathbed already anyway.

#52 Gee

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:03 AM

I only believe in Euthanasia if the person is really, really ill and their quality of life is so low that dying would be the best option. Say, if a person were in a vegetative state... I know if I were I'd want someone to euthanize me. If it were just one of those, "omgz lyfe sux my mom wont buy me ps3 my gf dumped me bawwwww" ... hell no.

#53 Sweeney

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:08 AM

If it were just one of those, "omgz lyfe sux my mom wont buy me ps3 my gf dumped me bawwwww" ... hell no.

Are you saying that the removal of those people wouldn't improve the quality of the human race as a whole?

#54 Gee

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:18 AM

Are you saying that the removal of those people wouldn't improve the quality of the human race as a whole?


Well no... I guess I believe people can be educated and be changed in time. Including those types of people.
It's a gray area for me. I would only want euthanasia for medical purposes. I mean if you were like Terri Schiavo, would you want to keep existing? (Not like she could think that).

#55 MiladyM

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 02:03 PM

Well no... I guess I believe people can be educated and be changed in time. Including those types of people.
It's a gray area for me. I would only want euthanasia for medical purposes. I mean if you were like Terri Schiavo, would you want to keep existing? (Not like she could think that).


Yes people can be changed, unfortunatly alot dont. Thats why its hard knowing who gets it and who doesnt because for some its harder to deal with than physical damages.
I'm not even sure if I would be for or against euthanasia there. Only part where im for it is for extreme cases.

#56 bobsauce

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 02:36 PM

A lot has already been covered. I've always wondered why a family or hospital can chose to pull the plug on someone that they don't think will ever come out of a coma because it is costing too much money but a person can't pull the plug on themselves. Well they can, but if you don't need life support to stay alive you can't. I know people who have had grandparents have their entire family come and see them and then tell them to turn off the machines. But not all suffering requires a machine to keep living.

At the same time constant pain leads to debilitating depression which makes the line between dying to end the suffering and dying to end the depression very thin. My mother has been in pain for over 20 years due to a back injury suffered in her 20's. She isn't debilitated, works, functions like a normal person, and isn't clinically depressed. But I've seen the moments where shes had too many bad days in a row and says, "I can't do this another day. Just shoot me." A few weeks later when she is having good pain-free days that mentality is completely gone and any pain induced decision she could have made would not be what she really wants. She wants the pain to stop, not life. Luckily for her and me the "wow I made it 17 days without any pain," outweigh the "ahh, I've had pain every day for 2 months, I can't do it."

I think the answer is far simpler than the lines of control. Of course I think suicide is awful and hurts everyone left behind but really, does anyone really have the right to tell you that you have to exist tomorrow. Legally and relationship wise I have to say yes, yes they do. But fundamentally, if I don't want to exist any more, for whatever reason, it's my existence, not yours. Providing a safe, uninfluenced by the current state of mind, way to make that decision and follow through is where it gets too complicated to even consider.

In the end, if someone wants to go they will find a way. Whether is pulling the plug, suicide, suicide by cop (one of the worst things ever-where you force the cops to shoot you because you are so mentally against suicide), euthanasia, if someone truly with all of their being wants out of this world, they will make it happen whether I agree the reasons are valid or not. Medically I think that should be made as hard as possible to justify and easy as possible when justified.

#57 MiladyM

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:34 AM

It would definatly be less crowded then.

#58 flashraven

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 08:54 AM

It should not be legalized...exceptions could be made, however. Additionally, there should be an agreement between the patient, his/her family and the doctor in charge.

#59 Boggart

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 08:58 AM

I don't really care what people do, but I know that if I ever put in a coma with almost no chance of surviving, I'd want my parents to pull the plug

Not really sure if they'd be paying anything since I live in Canada, but the sooner they pull the plug, the sooner they can grieve/party/move on with their lives.

#60 flashraven

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 09:01 AM

But Miracles do happen, sometimes Posted Image

#61 Sweeney

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 09:49 AM

But Miracles do happen, sometimes Posted Image

You mean, coincedences do happen.

#62 flashraven

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 04:51 AM

^ Miracles; sudden recovery?

#63 Sweeney

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 04:57 AM

^ Miracles; sudden recovery?

Depends what you mean by miracle.
If you mean it as a synonym for lucky coincidence, fortuitous serendipity, then sure.
If you mean it as the miraculous act of a deity interfering in human fate, then no.

#64 iloveorange

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 01:43 PM

It's your body, you should have the right to do whatever you want with it, whether it be drugs, or suicide, it's your body!!

#65 Gee

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 02:21 PM

It's your body, you should have the right to do whatever you want with it, whether it be drugs, or suicide, it's your body!!


so you're saying if your mother wanted to kill herself because she got divorced you would let her?
or what about if your best friend over something else?


see, things like these can make depressed people think irrationally, would you want a lot of people killing themselves over petty things? I mean even the ones who say, "Well if they think like that they obviously don't deserve to live"... I'm sure most of us have felt so low we wanted to die. You can't change people but you can change their perspective on life. Euthanasia should just be medical reasons only and not idiotic reasons such as that. People who want to commit suicide need help too.

I don't know what I would have done if my dad had gone through with his suicide attempt. He is in a better state now but I'd be crushed if he actually winded up dying.


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