[mrPomroy]

Not that I have a rebuttal for every claim the conspiracy theorists make, but I was just stumbling and came across one, and their support was this: Airplane fuel doesn't explode like in the twin towers.



This is an airbus crashing. Silence...silence...silence... boom.

Black smoke and fire explosion cloud.

Could someone please explain to me why, when crashing into the twin towers, this effect is nullified and must mean explosives were used?

[Sweeney]

lolwhut Trixx

[mrPomroy]

jayzuz cryste sweeney, nice post count.


and ayeeeeee it be trixx. I needed some online group communications, then realized if i was going on a forum why the hell not this one, i already know SOME here.

[Frank274]

I'm still having a hard time figuring out what you are trying to say.

[mrPomroy]

EDIT: That was harsh.


The 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Say that the twin towers/WTC was done by the government, saying that the explosions wouldn't have occurred without explosives, among other gobbledeegook.

This post has been edited by mrPomroy: 13 March 2010 - 10:23 AM

[chobitz]

Shouldn't this be in the debate section?

People who think a conspiracy about 9/11 are called Truthers: http://www.911truth.org/

Personally? I think Bush and his cronies knew something was up and allowed it to happen so the can go to war. But other then that I don't think bombs were placed or anything. I think it was more a "look the other way" scenario.

This is the documentary most Truthers go by, its their "bible":
http://www.loosechange911.com/

Like I said I don't consider myself a Truthers. I just think we don't know everything..

BTW my Uncle and Cousin were firemen from NJ who went to help on 9/11 and both have 9/11 syndrome which is a respiratory illness caused by breathing all the nasty stuff while rescuing and retrieving bodies at ground zero. Of course the government doesn't recognize it (sort of how they were with Gulf War Syndrome). They both had to retire do to the illness and my Uncle is on oxygen alot and isn't as active as he was.

Oddly enough they are Truthers..

[Salamanda]

I think you should all watch Zeitgeist.

[talbs]

Twink, on 13 March 2010 - 02:16 PM, said:

I think you should all watch Zeitgeist.

9/11 truthers for the loss

idk, i dont think anyone does, dont think it really matters anyway

[Noitidart]

I definitely don't think we know what really happend. I can't believe that the US government doesn't know either. I mean if you can find the criminals passports how the heck can't you find a blackbox. I for one don't know how the hell a passport can survive that. I'm sure a blackbox can and did.

[ToxicS]

Why did the towers fall down like a demolition? It's impossible for them to fall that fast from plane crashes. It's pretty obvious that this was an inside job, yet it is too hard for people to conceive why our government would want to kill 50,000 people for millions of dollars of oil and more investments in the military.

and this will probably be moved to the debate section soon imo

[zpoy]

I came into this thread thinking it was about Lord of the Rings. After realizing my mistake, I am sad.

I have a good idea though! In order to solve this conspiracy we should do an experiment. Rebuild the twin towers and fill them up with a few thousand people(they could have added to the explosive effect or something) and then we'll run some dc17's into them! Then we can watch and see what happens! Although just to make sure this wasn't a fluke we should perform this a few extra times(making sure to include the people).

My question is, what difference does it make who blew the towers up? Is knowing that really going to help anyone? I thought people stopped caring about 9/11 a long time ago and the only time people actually mentioned it was when the news is trying to look good or politicians are trying to kiss ass.

This post has been edited by zpoy: 15 March 2010 - 07:42 AM

[Noitidart]

Moved to debate.

[mrPomroy]

Toxic-Snipe, on 15 March 2010 - 07:28 AM, said:

Why did the towers fall down like a demolition? It's impossible for them to fall that fast from plane crashes. It's pretty obvious that this was an inside job, yet it is too hard for people to conceive why our government would want to kill 50,000 people for millions of dollars of oil and more investments in the military.

and this will probably be moved to the debate section soon imo

That's what I was saying. I don't have a rebuttal for everything, and shit does seem a little strange about it all, but I read people saying 'airplanes don't explode like that' and 'airplane gas wouldn't cause a fireball like that'. Ask the guy flying the plane in the video I posted... he might disagree.

I didn't want to debate the subject, I just wanted to post the video xD

[iargue]

Toxic-Snipe, on 15 March 2010 - 07:28 AM, said:

Why did the towers fall down like a demolition? It's impossible for them to fall that fast from plane crashes. It's pretty obvious that this was an inside job, yet it is too hard for people to conceive why our government would want to kill 50,000 people for millions of dollars of oil and more investments in the military.

and this will probably be moved to the debate section soon imo

They didnt fall down like a demolition....

Have you ever crashed a plane into a 110 story building? I didnt think so.
Have you ever blown up a 110 story building? I didnt think so.


Dont give me this bullshit that you know how it crashed, and why it crashed. WE SAW a plane hit it. THIS MEANS A PLANE HIT IT. Are you just completely retarded that you are going to ignore the fact that a several ton plane hit a building?

And we never whent to war over 9/11... Afaganistan = country where this started. We went to iraq because the UN told us to.

chobitz, on 13 March 2010 - 10:34 AM, said:

Shouldn't this be in the debate section?

People who think a conspiracy about 9/11 are called Truthers: http://www.911truth.org/

Personally? I think Bush and his cronies knew something was up and allowed it to happen so the can go to war. But other then that I don't think bombs were placed or anything. I think it was more a "look the other way" scenario.

This is the documentary most Truthers go by, its their "bible":
http://www.loosechange911.com/

Like I said I don't consider myself a Truthers. I just think we don't know everything..

BTW my Uncle and Cousin were firemen from NJ who went to help on 9/11 and both have 9/11 syndrome which is a respiratory illness caused by breathing all the nasty stuff while rescuing and retrieving bodies at ground zero. Of course the government doesn't recognize it (sort of how they were with Gulf War Syndrome). They both had to retire do to the illness and my Uncle is on oxygen alot and isn't as active as he was.

Oddly enough they are Truthers..

No war started over 9/11.


Where are all of these lies coming from??

[mrPomroy]

Yesssssss, some excitement

[outsidedream86]

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Why did the towers fall down like a demolition? It's impossible for them to fall that fast from plane crashes.

I assume you know this because you have a degree in structural engineering and understand how unique the structure of the WTC buildings were, and can diagram the forces that occurred on the steel? My Graduate Structures III class devoted a considerable amount of time to studying and calculating the WTC structural failure. The class was taught by a professor with a degree in both architecture and structural engineering. If you are capable of doing the math, you will understand why what you said is very poor reasoning.

[chobitz]

iargue, on 15 March 2010 - 12:27 PM, said:

No war started over 9/11.


Where are all of these lies coming from??

Ummm WTF we went into Afghanistan because of the attack on 9/11. Bush then blamed Iraq for 9/11 later which was a lie BTW or the idiot was stupid..either way Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11. But we did go to Afghanistan over 9/11. Why the fuck do you think we went over there? For shits and giggles?

[ToxicS]

outsidedream86, on 15 March 2010 - 12:38 PM, said:

I assume you know this because you have a degree in structural engineering and understand how unique the structure of the WTC buildings were, and can diagram the forces that occurred on the steel? My Graduate Structures III class devoted a considerable amount of time to studying and calculating the WTC structural failure. The class was taught by a professor with a degree in both architecture and structural engineering. If you are capable of doing the math, you will understand why what you said is very poor reasoning.

Meh gimme a break, I watched a video on it. The cuts in the building after it fell and the explosions in the basements/garage (I can't remember) workers/ firemen reported are related to the demolition theory. Heres a link I found on it (This is not what I read to form my opinion)

http://www.rense.com...eral67/9118.htm

[KitsuKun]

I am not even going to get started on how much of a setup 9/11 was. Just an excuse for bush to go into Iraq. FUCK THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!

This post has been edited by KitsuKun: 15 March 2010 - 03:41 PM

[iargue]

Toxic-Snipe, on 15 March 2010 - 03:31 PM, said:

Meh gimme a break, I watched a video on it. The cuts in the building after it fell and the explosions in the basements/garage (I can't remember) workers/ firemen reported are related to the demolition theory. Heres a link I found on it (This is not what I read to form my opinion)

http://www.rense.com...eral67/9118.htm

http://www.rcac.purd...ws/news_wtc.cfm


25% of the core lost on three different levels, as well as all of the support on one side, an explosion, and a fire. And your claiming it was done from c4?

[Noitidart]

If the core was lost at those levels. Then shouldnt those levels and the levels above it fall only? Or could the ones below not handle the weight?

[ToxicS]

http://www.tms.org/p...eagar-0112.html

meh

I don't know what to believe anymore.

[iargue]

Noitidart, on 15 March 2010 - 08:55 PM, said:

If the core was lost at those levels. Then shouldnt those levels and the levels above it fall only? Or could the ones below not handle the weight?

How do you expect the lower levels to handle the added weight, especially with a fire on it? You have over 20 levels of steel that is no longer supported, the rest of the structure cant hold all of that....

Toxic-Snipe, on 16 March 2010 - 01:08 AM, said:

http://www.tms.org/p...eagar-0112.html

meh

I don't know what to believe anymore.

How about you believe the actual engineers who actually studied the wreckage and everything?

All of these fucking conspiracy people are not engineers. The engineers say that the plane did it, and a bunch of non-engineers say that it didnt do it.

As for myself. I saw both planes hit the towers, so obviously the planes hit the towers.

EVEN if c4 was used inside. NOTHING points towards it being the government did it. Hell, even the terrorists said they did it.

[pyke]

iargue, on 15 March 2010 - 12:27 PM, said:

They didnt fall down like a demolition....

Have you ever crashed a plane into a 110 story building? I didnt think so.
Have you ever blown up a 110 story building? I didnt think so.


Dont give me this bullshit that you know how it crashed, and why it crashed. WE SAW a plane hit it. THIS MEANS A PLANE HIT IT. Are you just completely retarded that you are going to ignore the fact that a several ton plane hit a building?

And we never whent to war over 9/11... Afaganistan = country where this started. We went to iraq because the UN told us to.



No war started over 9/11.


Where are all of these lies coming from??

Afghanistan was invaded due to the 9/11 incident. And no, you didn't go to Iraq because the UN told you to. You went to Iraq, because your president saw fit to break international and US law.

[Frizzle]

pyke, on 17 March 2010 - 10:00 AM, said:

Afghanistan was invaded due to the 9/11 incident. And no, you didn't go to Iraq because the UN told you to. You went to Iraq, because your president saw fit to break international and US law.

lol at implying a war can be structured by law. lol even more at "international" law.