Grizzly

Then moments later...



http://www.dailymail...o=feeds-newsxml
http://www.newsweek....not-wanted.html
http://www.sfgate.co...?entry_id=70624

What the hell? To me, this seems like a really dirty trick to try and smear the reputation of WikiLeaks so that people's attention is diverted away from the documents they're releasing.

What do you guys think?

What shocks me is that they actually failed at getting the sneaky bastard. I would think a powerful government would have the resources to frame one man for rape. Guess we're only talking about Sweden though. Or maybe you're right in that all they wanted to do was attack Assange's credibility, but I don't think that's working either.

weres the drama.

Dude, wasnt that YOUR job? Raid the forums w some obscenity or vulgarity pls. Kthxbye

i have long stayed out of this topic as I don't really think debating politics or religion ever leads to anything truly productive. However, I'm going to ask this of atheists as I truly do not understand.

But first, some background. I was raised Roman Catholic and by ~13 I had denounced the church and lost my faith entirely. I felt/feel that the church was using fear and "tradition" to manipulate innocent followers and so I began to question everything. I sometimes had wanted to label myself an atheist, but never could find that to be true... Agnostic was truly where I was at.

I have since separated the concept of spirituality and religion in my mind. This has brought me great peace of mind and being. I have been able to explore consciousness and the essence of human suffering without (or with minimal) bias. I won't bore you all with the pillars of my spirituality as I feel spirituality is something we should all develop seperately so that one of our wills can not manipulate or pursuade anothers view. My entire concept of faith had been destroyed by the catholic church and I'd hate to see that practice perpetuated.

Now on to my question.

How can you, with absolute certainty declare that there can not be god/higher power? Look simply at the probability of a universe being created where life can be supported. Estimated at 10^10^123. Although I wouldn't take something like that to PROVE a god exists... I could also not in good faith proclaim that a god can not/does not exist.

I guess I can understand the perspective of an agnostic... But I can't figure out the logic in the firm belief that a god can not exist.

If you must have a general idea of my current religious views, it's a bit of a cross of Hinduism, Buddhism, and Taoism. At least those are the theological backings that I see the most similarities to.

I come from the same background, sorta. I was born Buddhist but raised PResbyterian Christian but I denounced my church at a pretty young age. I felt like they were trying to brain wash me and I wasnt having any of it. The difference was that, at that moment I dropped all concept of gods, spirituality, theism, agnosticism, whatever, and declared myself a nihilist. This is where it gets tricky with the diction, and I know sometimes agnosticism and nihilism are compatible, but it sounds to me like you're rejecting nihilism altogether, unless I'm misunderstanding your use of "spiritualism".

If I were younger, I would try to deny the existence of your spiritualism, but now I understand that to be a fancy word for self-awareness. But just like how you see a dichotomy between spiritualism and religion, I see one between spiritualism and existentialism. I believe the question of the universe boils down to science and nothing more, nothing within us. It's pretty damn conceited (but expected) of humans to believe that the answer lies within us but thats a load of horse shit to me.

I do admire that you've educated yourself in different religions. Too much do I see people born into religion and blindly accepting it as the universal truth, but at least you've taken an academic, educated, and logical view on the topic. Me? I've educated myself in philosophy and cognitive science, and I hope I dont offend you in saying so but it has led me to believe that both atheism and agnosticism are half-assed excuses of a response to the Question here.

First off. POP IS DEAD. Lady Gaga only stands as a prime example of pops demise. She aint no queen of pop. She takes a shit on pop's chest. In fact, she single handedly might have killed pop. Look at the influence shes spread on everyone. EVERYONE.

I thought lady gaga was lame, but then I viewed her from a postmodern artistic perspective and it came to me that shes a pure genius. A true performance artist perphaps. I still dont think her music is anything laudable, but its almost iirelevant at this point. Google it, there's some pretty interesting essays on the subject. Bitch might look dumb, but shes an artistic mastermind.

Well, yesterday my friend and I decided to bomb the 1 train in NYC (where we live), we completely covered two whole cars (they were empty because most people get off at the end of the 1 line.) We must of not been paying attention 100%, because we think a passenger saw us through the small door; and reported us to the conductor.

Anways, the conductor barges in laughing, swirling his keys on his finger (you could tell this was one of the best moments of his life) and screams at my friend for using broad tip markers on the train (even though I have 4 cans of spraypaint in my bag), and asks him to come to him. I pray that he doesn't call for me, after he walks my friend through the car - but sure enough he does.

We definately would of booked it, but the train was stuck in a tunnel, and by the time we got to a station, he had the police on the phone. The police officers come, and this situation becomes one of the most embarassing moments of my life, as they cuff us, as tourists gasp at the horror. People sure are nosy .


We get to the station, they cuff us to some bar and tell us to sit on the bench. We waited there for hours, as they took down all our information, investigated our "tags", and why we did it, how many times we have done it, etc. After like 4 hours of sitting in the station with my hand cuffed to a bar (although it was kinda fun with a good friend by my side), our parents come.

I have yet to recive any charges, I will find out in family court on wednesday.

Oh, and my computer broke on friday. I'm taking care of some animals for these people I know, so I can be kind of active until tuesday, but that's it.

For a second I thought you actually bombed a train, and it didnt surprise me for a second That sounds like a pretty shitty day though. Glad you still got your head up high tho nox. Gluk with the charges.. Im sure everythang will work out for ya.