Arash

Au contraire! That doesn't class it as a beginner's language, but quite the opposite. If you logic were to hold, we would be doing all of our programming computer code.

Remember, work smarter, not harder.

Java is much easier to code, and much less flexible than C# or C++. That is why C# and its descendent's are used in a majority of programs and user based applications today.

Oof:

Did you really just use that as proof that Java and Javascript are similar? Are you mentally retarded? They are both OOP(most languages are these days), they both use the same keywords and Java naming conventions(so the words they use are the same), and two different standard library classes are loosely related(so what?). I suggest next time you actually read the quote you cite from Wikipedia to make sure it is relevant to your argument.

I'd say JavaScript is pretty beginner, but Java is definitely not. It's taken me over a year just to understand the basic functions of Java, and I still wouldn't be able to do anything seriously complex. (A.K.A. write an app for codex)

Anyone who compares Javascript and Java together should cease to talk, and profess knowledge on a topic they know nothing about.

I certainly wouldn't class it as a beginner's language at all, it seems to be the opinion of somebody with a superiority complex.

Would a CIS major only know Java? Besides the point would you not agree that the JVM does a lot of things for you such as memory management, updating references, etc, and the Java API provides well documented methods that pretty much reduce Java to copy and pasting code for a majority of its uses.

I call bullshit. Any CIS major finishing their degree would know more than Java and definitely know C++. Java is a beginner language that does a lot of things for you such as memory management. I think you are just another 12 year old kid who wants to pretend that they are indeed a programmer.

Please leave.

In that case, Raph made a good aber and Keith made a PHP aber.
I don't think Arash really cares how many programmers he knew, I think me made this list to see if anybody he remembered is still about. Why does anybody care if people programmed or not. Go hack the pentagon if you want to be respected in the hacking community, don't make a few neopets programs and think your a badman. If you are the original infamous then congratulations you have done a lot in the neopets community, but my god do you come across as up yourself.

Please don't take this as a flame it is an observation.

Yeah your still beast Seriph my king, nailed it.

If I really wanted a who's who of cheating whom I somewhat knew, I would go with the following. This was not the point of this thread.

Raui
Barcode
Sockopen
Pete
Drew
Nikarlen
Valseedian
Raphexion

Nice to see you too Infamous, no one has asked me to crack any programs recently .