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In Topic: How privileged are you?!

21 July 2018 - 04:52 AM

Thank you for the information! Yeah, it seems like the privilege I hear a lot about now is a lot more in depth and complex than the "there's starving people in Africa so eat your food" priviledge stereotype from my childhood.

Definitely. And it totally depends on the society you live in. I can positively state that ours is still immature and delves into its own problems, more similar to the third-world than to the first-world problems so the focus is different. Also, we're not very exposed to the issues that spark discussion and awareness about the privileges. Not only our society is more homogeneous, it also tends to completely isolate the (minority) groups it has problems with (in our cases - the gypsies), thus avoiding contact with them and it shuts its eyes about the potential problems that have to be solved. Moreover, during the communist regime religion was de facto banned. So people are not very religious and even if they are, it's the orthodox church, it's not the same as the catholic or protestant, here the church was never before the state, it just doesn't have the same influence and impact in everyday life. So the whole background is very different than the one in the United States and the notion of privilege has a different context here. Not that global issues are not valid, just the nuances change the whole perception of the theme.

Let me give you an example :) Team France won FIFA World Cup and the majority of the team were people whose parents or grand-parents came from African countries (so they are black) but they are French, they are born in France and their nationality is French. So, France is in the Westernmost part of Europe, my country is in the Easternmost and my country didn't even participate in the Cup and still a lot of people deemed right to joke about the colour of the French players and state those people are Africans and not real Frenchmen and saying all kind of nasty things. I've got friends from France, they doesn't have a problem with the origins and the colour of the players and consider them Frenchmen. But my compatriots don't. And it's not even their country, not their business but they fervently argue about it. So being black in France may not make you as unprivileged (mind you, French people have a lot of issues with foreigners) as being black in my country. Being gay in Western Europe may not be a problem, being gay in my country could literally put your life in danger. Being woman in the States may mean you're unprivileged in one way, being woman here means on top of everything else you're mostly not protected by the law when in comes to domestic violence, and domestic violence is huge problem, studies say one of every three women is a victim (and we know there are a lot more cases nobody hears of because the victims never admit), in recent months there were six cases of women killed by their partners (we're a country of 7 millions) etc. Still, those problems are not in the agenda of the society at all.

Sorry about the long post :)

In Topic: How privileged are you?!

17 July 2018 - 11:41 AM

Sure. I can't turn on Facebook without seeing and article someone's shared about priveledge in some way. Same for twitter, etc. Buzzfeed talks about it often and every news article I've looked at today has dissolved in a priveledge debate, even in stuff that (to me) seems unrelated to priveledge. It's a popular thing to talk about.

Oh, I see. No, it's plain right never mentioned anywhere, apart from talking about countries like Syria or Somalia and saying we're privileged to live in peaceful Europe and have something to eat. I don't know if that's related at all to the topic but my country is the poorest member of EU and more than 50% of the population lives under the "threshold of poverty" as they say here.

In Topic: How privileged are you?!

17 July 2018 - 11:25 AM

Is privilege a popular concept in general where you live?

I'm not sure I understand the question - I'm not sure if I understand what you mean by  "popular concept", could you please elaborate a bit?

In Topic: How privileged are you?!

13 July 2018 - 12:45 PM

That's what I did. But I don't agree they apply. :)

In Topic: How privileged are you?!

13 July 2018 - 06:06 AM

That's why I said the test is too American. You don't see these things in Europe if you're an atheist. I don't think that even in Russia, where things are going in a similar direction, the situation is dangerous for an atheist. You don't hide you're an atheist, just nobody cares to ask. I can't think of a single situation where it's appropriate, common or interesting for anybody to ask about your religion.

On the other hand, if somebody just assumes you're Muslim, you can be discriminated. In my country, where Turkey is one of our southern neighbours and we've been part of the Ottoman empire for about five centuries, Muslim minority is the biggest of all and we've had it like forever. There were some disgraceful periods and actions against Muslims during the communist regime but overall people lived together quire peacefully. Now, thanks to all the neo-nazi, nationalistic and anti-immigrant movement the situation is getting bad. So being a Muslim, sometimes even being a Jew (the irony being that during WWII the elite, the Church and the people stood up and made the government refuse to send our Jews in camps in Germany or wherever, kept them here and saved them) makes you in a position of being discriminated and/or oppressed. Being atheist is absolutely safe. I can totally understand what you're saying about the position of the atheist in the communities you described but it's so different here that the basics don't apply and some questions of the test are not relevant. I'm not saying it's not valid, not saying you're not oppressed or discriminated in your situation, don't get me wrong, I'm only saying it's relative and depends in what part of the world you live in. Heck, being an atheist in Saudi Arabia for example will get you a death sentence - and that's a country with a seat in the UN Human Rights Council...