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rapmasterme

Member Since 05 Apr 2014
Offline Mar 08 2015 08:44 AM

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In Topic: Feminism

25 April 2014 - 03:23 PM

That is not what your report says.
 

Ah yes. A couple decides to have children, forcing the woman to take maternity leave, and forcing the man to take paternity leave... Woah, wait. No. That's not how it happens at all.
Women are stunted in their career path because of their potential choice to have children, for a start, because they might one day take maternity leave - not necessarily because they have taken it.
Can you explain why a woman has to choose between having a child and furthering her career, when a man does not have to make that choice?
 

This link does not not back up the final sentence of your last paragraph, if that was your intent. I mean, it's great that women aged 18-22 in metropolitan areas are outearning men aged 18-22 in metropolitan areas... But it does not mean that "Women who don't drop out of the work force on average make more then men".

Worth noting also that that WSJ article states the following:
"At every education level, from high-school dropouts to Ph.D.s, women continue to earn less than their male peers."

Is the WSJ credible enough?
 

Good lord. I didn't say that "nobody says [old boys' clubs are] a problem", I said that nobody says they are the entirety of the problem - which is the argument that your original report claims to refute. I wonder if there were any women on the committee that assembled that report.

 

 

Sorry I don't know how to break up the post to make the response easier to read.

 

Anyways as to maternity leave it is not really a cultural thing, it is that women are the ones that have babies, so their are real reasons that maternity leave exists and it is never forced, which is illegal because of the pregnancy discrimination act of 1978. As to the potential to take maternity leave, this has happened because women choose to drop out of the workforce. If it was because sometimes women take a very short maternity leave I doubt the wage gap would be as high, though it is almost impossible to test this.

 

Sorry I was guilty of some bias as I tend to see the world through the eyes of a 20 something living in a metropolitan area, but you are right that that doesn't apply to everyone. I still stand by the point that just because their is not necessarily a gender bias, just because there are factors that the report did not find. The factors could very well be gender bias, or they could just as easily be something else, but feminism often sees issues through a gendered light and assume that because their is a difference it must be due to some sort of bias, which is obviously faulty logic, although it is very hard to prove a gender bias exists as their are a lot of factors in hiring and pay decisions.

 

Also about "nobody" thinking that women's problems fall squarely in the boy's club type problems, I think it is very reckless and dishonest to make claims that try to speak for an entire group people. Words like nobody and everybody, don't really have a place in debates except for hyperbole or misleading people which is a very fine line especially in a medium such as the internet where tone, body language, and facial expressions are absent. Beside that, just because you ar enot making that argument does not mean a lot of people don't, and I have seen the argument applied to a lot of things by feminists.

 

"I wonder if there were any women on the committee that assembled that report"

 

As to this point I think you are attacking the study by speculation, you actually have no idea, but you are implying that their are not, which is not  really fair. Also it does not effect the validity of the study.


In Topic: Feminism

25 April 2014 - 04:10 AM

@rapmasterme, did you actually read the conclusions of the report you posted?

It assigns between 65 and 75% of the "raw gender wage gap" to other factors, and is unable to account for up to a 7.1% difference in wage. In America, that can easily be thousands of dollars a year.

Here's the funny thing, though. The report factors out the fact that women are more likely to hold part-time jobs, the fact that women are more likely to leave careers to raise children, and the fact that women, apparently, prefer family-friendly workplaces.
But, um, those things are predominantly down to societal perceptions of "the place of women", which is something that feminism attempts to address. The report blames "individual choices" as though such choices are made in a vacuum, without social pressures or any kind of cultural influence.

Nobody is saying that the gender wage gap is entirely down to old boys clubs promoting their buddies at international conglomerates, although that is certainly a part of the problem. People trying to present it that way, are either ignorant, or misrepresenting the argument in order to further their own agenda.

 

the point of the wage gap thing is that the real wage gap and the perceived wage gap are very different, Also the real wage gap may be the result of different factors than discrimination. It is important to realize that just because an "unexplained gap" exists does not mean it is necessarily due to discrimination, as the study points out.

 

Also as far as women leaving the workforce to have children, that is something women do have control over, nobody forces them to do it, so to blame it on society feels like a bit of a reach, although I can see how people would feel pressured to fulfill gender roles, it does come down to a choice. If one chooses to take time out of the workforce, then one should not complain about making less money. Women who don't drop out of the work force on average make more then men, so employers are not so much discriminating against women, but punishing them for choices they made. 

 

If the Wall Street Journal is credible enough:

http://online.wsj.co...0770831192.html

 

Also your second to last sentence contradicts itself so I dont quite know how to answer your concern. You say nobody says that it is a problem, but you are saying it is a problem. 


In Topic: Feminism

25 April 2014 - 01:14 AM

...wat. Look at the sheer amount of people who refused to vote for Hilary Clinton on the basis that she would be PMSing in the oval office. And some were dead serious. That alone is reason enough to keep the feminist movement going strong. 

 

Feminism is not just about wages. It goes so much deeper than that. There are criminal organizations that have moved towards trafficking women in America instead of guns or drugs because you can sell a woman over and over and over again. The current legislature in many states treats many of the victims as criminals even though it is coerced prostitution. The women have no choice. That is a feminist cause. Domestic Violence is an extremely serious issue for both men and women. That is a feminist cause. College campus rape cases are treated as a regular occurrence and there is a high incidence of victim blaming. That is a feminist cause. So you know, it's really great that you feel that it's stupid to try to help victims of domestic violence, rape, and human trafficking, but to me, it's a big freaking deal.

I think you are right about these issues being important. I was making the statement that modern feminism tends to mix real issues and non-real issues and pretend that the real issues somehow add credibility to issues such as the wage gap. I do agree though that my wording was dismissive.


In Topic: Am I a "bad" person? Are you?

24 April 2014 - 09:34 PM

@Kate - Funny.  But you're pregnant and hormones make you do crazy things so temporary pregnancy insanity is acceptable and doesn't make you a bad person ;)

It wasn't initially created for kids.  It was created for bored college students.  Many of the people that have been within this community for a long time are adults now but were playing Neopets when they were much younger, in high school/early college.

 

Issue #247 of the Neopian times confirms the college thing.

 

 

Wow I actually didn't know that. That is really interesting. I still think it is targeted at kids these days. I feel like it has an emphasis on kid friendliness.

 

Maybe it is just my bias though because I played when I was a kid, and all my little cousins play.


In Topic: Does anyone here these days think evolution is not a fact?

24 April 2014 - 09:17 PM

Guys didn't you see the Bill Nye debate? or God's Not Dead? I got converted by these two things and now am a born again Christian!