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Is there such thing as The Art of Seduction? lol


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#26 Frizzle

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 10:46 PM

http://en.wikipedia....achiavellianism

http://en.wikipedia....al_manipulation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predation

http://en.wikipedia....Substance_abuse

Combine.

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    #27 Guest_coltom_*

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    Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:17 AM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavellianism

    http://en.wikipedia....al_manipulation

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predation

    http://en.wikipedia....Substance_abuse

    Combine.


    Ahem, Frizzle, that's an excellent argument.
    Thumbs up.

    I wish though, the original poster would kick in some, because we're talking a very different thing if we're talking about someone trying to get another to notice them, or notice them as a potential romantic interest; versus the manipulation techniques so well described by that wile and crazy Italian, G.M.
    "The Prince" is one of my favorite books, not for its conclusions, but for its identification of the techniques.

    Edited by coltom, 15 August 2012 - 05:20 AM.


    #28 gummis

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    Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:22 AM

    The Prince is a work of satire, so the conclusions are still funny :D I always thought the art of seduction was good basic hygiene skills.

    #29 Teucer

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    Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:31 AM

    I used to work at Barnes and Noble, and I remember someone buying a book by that name,The Art of Seduction. I thought it was silly that a guy would believe in and spend his money on something like that.

    I believe the answer is most certainly no. Everyone is different in their own way.

    #30 Guest_coltom_*

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    Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:35 AM

    The Prince is a work of satire, so the conclusions are still funny :D I always thought the art of seduction was good basic hygiene skills.

    Given Mac's earlier commitment to noble cause and deed, it is hard to believe that he wrote without a some sarcasm. That does not mean, that every one should not read his work, you can see the exact same techniques in us today, pretty much I think it is the SOB for Fox"news".

    #31 Jakerz

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    Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:57 AM

    Doesn't anyone watch harry potter? Just give him some chocolates spiked with love potion :rolleyes:

    Seriously though, read "The Game".. not only is it a interesting/fun book to read, but it explains seduction

    #32 Guest_coltom_*

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    Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:17 AM

    "The Game" is as evil as "The Prince". After you've won the game, what have you won? A relationship based upon you wearing a false persona to please another, hardly a win.

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    Posted 15 August 2012 - 07:17 AM

    I don't think anyone in this thread has seriously read Machiavelli. No, The Prince isn't a work of satire and anyone that has read his discourses on Livy will understand that The Prince was a serious treatise on how to maintain a principality. The things he said about power aren't that controversial or immoral (he even reproaches those who come to rule through cruelty, calling out Agathocles for slaughtering his citizens, betraying his friends, being without honour and without glory and says that, due to this, he cannot be considered a great prince). Rather, Machiavelli's The Prince was the first political treatise based on pragmatism. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Edited by kami12, 15 August 2012 - 07:32 AM.


    #34 Jakerz

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    Posted 15 August 2012 - 10:15 AM

    "The Game" is as evil as "The Prince". After you've won the game, what have you won? A relationship based upon you wearing a false persona to please another, hardly a win.


    Not a false persona, you should read the book. He improved the negative aspects in his life, and in the process learned to build better relationships with women. It also helped in various other aspects of his life. Just because he took it to the extreme, doesn't mean everyone who reads the book is going to.

    I've never read 'The Prince' book yet, but it sounds interesting so I'll be sure to take a look

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    Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:06 PM

    Not a false persona, you should read the book. He improved the negative aspects in his life, and in the process learned to build better relationships with women. It also helped in various other aspects of his life. Just because he took it to the extreme, doesn't mean everyone who reads the book is going to.

    I've never read 'The Prince' book yet, but it sounds interesting so I'll be sure to take a look


    The only thing the Prince says about women is that they like being beat up and dominated. In one paragraph... and it was because he was comparing fortune to women. The book has nothing to do with women and you will learn nothing from it about interpersonal relationships since most of its advice is based on problems that only people with very specific circumstances face (rulers and drug-lords). People just like to bring up the term "Machiavellian" to describe pretentiously anyone that is deceitful.

    Edited by kami12, 15 August 2012 - 12:07 PM.


    #36 Bleachd

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    Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:58 PM

    Pheromones released when looking at eachothers eyes. :)

    #37 Guest_coltom_*

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    Posted 15 August 2012 - 01:28 PM

    I've been in love with a dead woman longer than most of you have been alive, and in love with alive one just a tad shorter of a time. Love does not fade, not if you tend the fire as you should.

    If life was about just chemicals and neural pathways, than it would not be worth living (this from someone that started is doctorate in neural anatomy)

    #38 Sweeney

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    Posted 15 August 2012 - 01:35 PM

    If life was about just chemicals and neural pathways, than it would not be worth living (this from someone that started is doctorate in neural anatomy)


    Some people are capable of creating their own meaning, but to pretend that there is innately more to life than biological function is false.

    #39 Guest_coltom_*

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    Posted 15 August 2012 - 02:45 PM

    At least on paper I started one, just really needed the creds to get a lab I.D.


    #40 8143FF763271

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    Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:40 PM

    I've been in love with a dead woman longer than most of you have been alive, and in love with alive one just a tad shorter of a time. Love does not fade, not if you tend the fire as you should.

    If life was about just chemicals and neural pathways, than it would not be worth living (this from someone that started is doctorate in neural anatomy)


    Life isn't more than chemicals and neural pathways. Sorry that you think it isn't worth living. I'm pretty content with my neural pathways.

    #41 LeiLani

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    Posted 17 August 2012 - 01:17 AM

    If you're a movie-type of person rather than reading, you should watch "The Ugly Truth", "Failure to Launch" or "Crazy, Stupid Love" all of which have a guy (or girl!) showing 'definite ways' of earning another's affection. :D

    #42 Guest_coltom_*

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    Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:46 AM

    If you're a movie-type of person rather than reading, you should watch "The Ugly Truth", "Failure to Launch" or "Crazy, Stupid Love" all of which have a guy (or girl!) showing 'definite ways' of earning another's affection. :D

    I like Groundhog day. Hidden in that funny little movie, I love the groundhog behind the wheel as they go over the cliff, is this concept that a person must become worthy of love, before love is found. Some truth to that.

    #43 Guest_Kate_*

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    Posted 17 August 2012 - 05:00 AM

    Or Hitch, LeiLani!
    The Ugly Truth is a great movie btw.

    #44 LeiLani

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    Posted 17 August 2012 - 12:13 PM

    Or Hitch, LeiLani!
    The Ugly Truth is a great movie btw.


    HOW DID I FORGET HITCH?!?!?!
    "You go 90 percent of the way and they go the other 10 percent" or something like that :p

    One of the best movies I've seen :D

    I like Groundhog day. Hidden in that funny little movie, I love the groundhog behind the wheel as they go over the cliff, is this concept that a person must become worthy of love, before love is found. Some truth to that.


    I've never seen it yet! But I've heard of it so much, I think I will one of these days :D


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