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[Mishatu]

Spoiler

Thinking back to my Ethics class, you must be an Act Utilitarian. You don't do anything unless it gives you pleasure to do so.

[Galadriel]

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Thinking back to my Ethics class, you must be an Act Utilitarian. You don't do anything unless it gives you pleasure to do so.

There are people who do things which DOESN'T give them some sort of pleasure now or in the future? Idiots.

[8143FF763271]

There are people who do things which DOESN'T give them some sort of pleasure now or in the future? Idiots.

We call those people crazy.

Spoiler

Thinking back to my Ethics class, you must be an Act Utilitarian. You don't do anything unless it gives you pleasure to do so.

Utilitarianism is the only correct ethical approach.

[Mishatu]

Utilitarianism is the only correct ethical approach.

Nope.

[shrouded]

Utilitarianism is the only correct ethical approach.

What are you 14?

[8143FF763271]

What are you 14?

No.

As long as the individual is the center and focus of society (as it is in any modern state) then utilitarianism should be the normative ethical approach. Simply put, we're a collectivity of individuals trying to maximize our pleasure. There are no gods or Pharaohs to please. Only utilitarianism offers the normative ground for that. What else do you suggest, fools?

Edited by kami12, 18 August 2012 - 06:10 AM.

[Mishatu]

So you're totally okay with torturing an innocent person to make a guilty person confess? Say, the wife of an alleged murderer?

That's just wrong.

And before you argue that utilitarianism doesn't support it, yes, it does. It doesn't care about innocence. It doesn't care about torture. It cares about results.

[Yung]

It doesn't care about innocence. It doesn't care about torture. It cares about results.

More specifically the term coined, "the greater good."

[8143FF763271]

So you're totally okay with torturing an innocent person to make a guilty person confess? Say, the wife of an alleged murderer?

That's just wrong.

And before you argue that utilitarianism doesn't support it, yes, it does. It doesn't care about innocence. It doesn't care about torture. It cares about results.

Definitely. If a murderer is on the loose and he's likely to kill 30 more people and his wife is the only person that can incriminate him, then her wife should be tortured. Is her wife not being tortured worth the life of 30 innocent people?

Also, utilitarianism does care about torture. Torture implies a lowering in overall happiness so torture is hard to justify within an utilitarian table.

[Mishatu]

Definitely. If a murderer is on the loose and he's likely to kill 30 more people and his wife is the only person that can incriminate him, then her wife should be tortured. Is her wife not being tortured worth the life of 30 innocent people?

Also, utilitarianism does care about torture. Torture implies a lowering in overall happiness so torture is hard to justify within an utilitarian table.

No, the wife doesn't know anything. Thus the term "innocent". The idea is to torture her in the hopes that her husband MIGHT feel some remorse and admit to the crimes.

And honestly, how many people torture people for the sake of torturing them? It's all about information "for the greater good" or to get people to behave a certain way. Utilitarianism is all for torture, whether of the innocent or of the guilty.

[8143FF763271]

No, the wife doesn't know anything. Thus the term "innocent". The idea is to torture her in the hopes that her husband MIGHT feel some remorse and admit to the crimes.

And honestly, how many people torture people for the sake of torturing them? It's all about information "for the greater good" or to get people to behave a certain way. Utilitarianism is all for torture, whether of the innocent or of the guilty.

Oh. Torture her so that her husband feels remorse and admits it? Yup. Justified too. Albeit it depends on the likeliness of her implication and the likeliness of him committing more crimes, along with the displeasure associated with him committing those crimes and the displeasure associated with her torture.


Hitler's mother was an innocent woman. You get a chance to prevent the holocaust only by killing her while she's pregnant. Suppose you just know that. Would you allow her to live on and give birth because she's innocent when her death would prevent the slaughter of a million jews, or would you kill her and save the world? I'd kill her.

[Random]

Do you even lift?

[8143FF763271]

Do you even lift?

whoever that man is he's clearly perfect and I am in love
oh wait that's just me.
Can you make a Khalil 'miring thread for these? We're discussing other (less important) issues here.

[Random]

whoever that man is he's clearly perfect and I am in love
oh wait that's just me.
Can you make a Khalil 'miring thread for these? We're discussing other (less important) issues here.

Nah, bro. You're skinny fat.

I'll give you that you have half black genetics or something like that and high bicep insertion points, but your body is pretty much average. I realize that your narcissism prevents you from accepting this, but I figured I would try to aware you.

[8143FF763271]

Nah, bro. You're skinny fat.

At least I'm not jelly sandwich.

[Random]

At least I'm not jelly sandwich.

LOLZ. Right.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, child.

[8143FF763271]

LOLZ. Right.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, child.

I'd ask you which part of me you're most envious of but this conversation is homoerotic enough by having a random guy lurk my pictures and post them all over the forum. awk.

[Random]

I'd ask you which part of me you're most envious of but this conversation is homoerotic enough by having a random guy lurk my pictures and post them all over the forum. awk.

None, my body is more aesthetic than yours.

[8143FF763271]

None, my body is more aesthetic than yours.

That's cool, bro... but, you know, being a heterosexual and all I tend to limit my interest to the bodies of females.

[Random]

That's cool, bro... but, you know, being a heterosexual and all I tend to limit my interest to the bodies of females.

Irrelevant to the original conversation; however, it seems that you need to reinforce your heterosexuality very often. Interesting.

[Mishatu]

I vote for Random.

This is a "who has the hotter body?" contest, right?

[8143FF763271]

Irrelevant to the original conversation; however, it seems that you need to reinforce your heterosexuality very often. Interesting.

Just trying to get you to take a hint.

[Random]

Just trying to get you to take a hint.

That you feel uncomfortable being judged by another heterosexual male? I get it, man. You're still confused about your sexuality and it's uncomfortable. Not a big deal!

[8143FF763271]

That you feel uncomfortable being judged by another heterosexual male? I get it, man. You're still confused about your sexuality and it's uncomfortable. Not a big deal!

I do feel uncomfortable when other men insist on lurking my pictures, posting them everywhere, and then trying fervently to establish conversations with me about how much they like my body. If this is common in your bro circles, I understand. I don't judge you for your choices and preferences. I just don't roll that way and hope you can respect my space.

I have nothing against the gay community by the way and you're welcome to discuss my body with the rest of my fans.

[Random]

I do feel uncomfortable when other men insist on lurking my pictures, posting them everywhere, and then trying fervently to establish conversations with me about how much they like my body. If this is common in your bro circles, I understand. I don't judge you for your choices and preferences. I just don't roll that way and hope you can respect my space.

I have nothing against the gay community by the way and you're welcome to discuss my body with the rest of my fans.

Actually, the conversations where about how I think you're elevated sense of self worth because of your body is ridiculous because it's very much average.

I will not respect your space, sorry. If you don't want people posting images that are available publicly, maybe you shouldn't make them available.