25 replies to this topic

[DonValentino]

I'm high and just feel like writing something so let's talk about the stigma against gay behavior. 

What I mean is, these days there are the people who still don't support gays, those who say they are cool with it i guess, and those who actually are.

But in that second group I'd say at least half would still get disgusted and maybe angry if they saw two guys making out. 

What I really mean to say is that I think we are so prude in this country. It's just two guys making out! Who the fuck cares, holy shit.

You know you think it's hot when two girls make out, why is this any different? You don't need to watch it.

I've kissed a few gay guys at parties before, and I don't think that's a big deal. I don't consider myself gay in the slightest, I'm not sexually attracted to other men, but I feel like somewhere down the line we really fucked up where society decided that seeing two guys make out, or even kissing someone of the same sex was AWFUL!

Both of those nights I kissed at least twice as many girls as guys, so what's the problem if you're a guy? 

You don't have to be gay to have new experiences. I don't see why we shouldn't try most things at least once. There is literally nothing wrong with it.

I'm just thinking of all the people I know and probably half would freak out if they saw me kiss a guy. Such a waste of energy.

I do think we are making progress and it's not nearly as bad as it used to be, but we still have a long way to go until we are accepting of just living life.

[Fikri]

you've kissed guys before? cool story bro.

 

well i'm pretty grossed out to see anyone making out really... regardless whether you're straight, gay or whatnot. get a room people! but then, maybe because i'm a sour grape lol. 

[Shannon]

Seeing straight people accept people of all sexualities is an amazing thing. It shouldn't be - because it's completely natural and wonderful - but we're making progress in the US and other countries and I love it.

[Adam]

Ok I really hope I don't receive too much hate for this; I only think this way because I don't understand.

I'm all for people being able to express their sexuality in any way they like; however, what I don't understand is when dudes who want to be women make a horrible attempt to talk like women. Sorry dudes who snap their fingers, talk with a really high pitched voice, and (what I presume) use a fake lisp, (most) women don't talk like that. I guess part of me is still really confused how one can be born a certain gender, and want to transform into the opposite. Is being transgender wrong at all. . . absolutely not -- I just wanted to clarify that.

[Marionette]

I've been thinking about this recently as my 5 year old son is sometimes quite effeminate, and the only issue I would ever have with it would be if he felt like he couldn't tell me.

 

Other than that I genuinely don't have an issue. Besides, it's none of my business who someone else wants to be with.

[Fikri]

Ok I really hope I don't receive too much hate for this; I only think this way because I don't understand.

I'm all for people being able to express their sexuality in any way they like; however, what I don't understand is when dudes who want to be women make a horrible attempt to talk like women. Sorry dudes who snap their fingers, talk with a really high pitched voice, and (what I presume) use a fake lisp, (most) women don't talk like that. I guess part of me is still really confused how one can be born a certain gender, and want to transform into the opposite. Is being transgender wrong at all. . . absolutely not -- I just wanted to clarify that.

 

 

people should act anyway they like. who says high-pitched voice is just for women? i, for one, speak with a high-pitched voice. i was born this way.

[Bee]

Weirdly, I had a conversation with someone yesterday where she had come across a picture on Instagram my uncle had put up of him kissing his boyfriend. She was all like 'I'm accepting of him but I don't need to see that.' You're obviously not accepting if you are moaning about a picture you would not moan about if it was a straight couple. I love my uncle, and he's like super gay activist anyway, so if he wants to french kiss his boyfriend in public, he'd do it and to hell with everyone else.

 

Saying that though, seeing anyone make out in public makes me very uncomfortable in general. I'm not one for PDAs.

[Florg]

Ok I really hope I don't receive too much hate for this; I only think this way because I don't understand.

I'm all for people being able to express their sexuality in any way they like; however, what I don't understand is when dudes who want to be women make a horrible attempt to talk like women. Sorry dudes who snap their fingers, talk with a really high pitched voice, and (what I presume) use a fake lisp, (most) women don't talk like that. I guess part of me is still really confused how one can be born a certain gender, and want to transform into the opposite. Is being transgender wrong at all. . . absolutely not -- I just wanted to clarify that.

 

I don't think that it's necessarily always that they want to "be like women" or be a woman. Some guys are just flamboyant or effeminate.

Being transgender is something completely different. It's not about "wanting" to be something, it's about how you've never felt like you were in the right body to begin with. Not being comfortable in your own skin sort of thing.

 

I have a friend who was born with a vagina, no ovaries and they decided (the doctor and parents) to make her a boy. Obvious mistake, you can look at her and tell she's a woman. They had her taking hormones at a young age and everything. She's since stopped. Technically, she's a male by all legal definitions (Well, she was, not anymore)

 

I have other friends who were born with both sets of genitals and the doctors/parents waited until they started to understand themselves and let the child decide what they felt they were, and it's always seemed to work out.

 

Gender isn't really black and white as we've been taught it is. Transgender is a difficult concept to grasp because it's been taboo and shunned in American society for so long, even still is. A lot of people have this idea it's about wanting to "become" the opposite gender when really it's just making your outsides match what you've been on the inside the whole time. It's hard for people to understand because it's wholly an internal thing that no one else can see or experience.

[Grimley]

I don't really care who is kissing who, and it doesn't bother me seeing it. LIKEWISE...I don't wish to see any two people massively making out in a hugely public fashion (I'm not talking just kissing but y'know)...so I really like @Fikri's first response.

[masxed]

Cool story bro. I hear ya too. One of my best friends is gay, I can't imagine how anybody could dislike the dude. Who cares if two guys hold hands or kiss? Relationships are about sharing the human experience with others, not meeting gender requirements haha.

[Grimley]

I don't think that it's necessarily always that they want to "be like women" or be a woman. Some guys are just flamboyant or effeminate.

Being transgender is something completely different. It's not about "wanting" to be something, it's about how you've never felt like you were in the right body to begin with. Not being comfortable in your own skin sort of thing.

 

I have a friend who was born with a vagina, no ovaries and they decided (the doctor and parents) to make her a boy. Obvious mistake, you can look at her and tell she's a woman. They had her taking hormones at a young age and everything. She's since stopped. Technically, she's a male by all legal definitions (Well, she was, not anymore)

 

I have other friends who were born with both sets of genitals and the doctors/parents waited until they started to understand themselves and let the child decide what they felt they were, and it's always seemed to work out.

 

Gender isn't really black and white as we've been taught it is. Transgender is a difficult concept to grasp because it's been taboo and shunned in American society for so long, even still is. A lot of people have this idea it's about wanting to "become" the opposite gender when really it's just making your outsides match what you've been on the inside the whole time. It's hard for people to understand because it's wholly an internal thing that no one else can see or experience.

 

Exactly on almost all of your post except ONE THING: the genetic issue (and my argument is on a scientific basis)...

 

Regardless of sex and politics (which mainly is at play in the present time) X and Y chromosomes present issues that from a purely scientific/medical basis DO need to be recognized. One may identify as a certain sex, and legally be recognized as a certain sex...but if you need an organ transplant, then knowing the biological sex (based purely upon the presence of X and Y chromosomes in one's make-up) is required and necessary. Genetic females (no Y chromosome) can die if they receive a transplant from a genetic male (containing a Y chromosome) based upon differences in microantigens distinct to the Y chromosome that may be presented and recognized as foreign to the recipient.

 

Just sayin', and hate all you want (though this post was NOT INTENDED FOR HATE...(hey, I'm just a scientist who happened to spend too many damn years immersed in Major Histocompatibility Complex biology for my own good), but do recognize the need to acknowledge XY sex determination as something that does serve a crucial medical purpose.

[Goblinoid]

I don't think that it's necessarily always that they want to "be like women" or be a woman. Some guys are just flamboyant or effeminate.

Being transgender is something completely different. It's not about "wanting" to be something, it's about how you've never felt like you were in the right body to begin with. Not being comfortable in your own skin sort of thing.

 

I have a friend who was born with a vagina, no ovaries and they decided (the doctor and parents) to make her a boy. Obvious mistake, you can look at her and tell she's a woman. They had her taking hormones at a young age and everything. She's since stopped. Technically, she's a male by all legal definitions (Well, she was, not anymore)

 

I have other friends who were born with both sets of genitals and the doctors/parents waited until they started to understand themselves and let the child decide what they felt they were, and it's always seemed to work out.

 

Gender isn't really black and white as we've been taught it is. Transgender is a difficult concept to grasp because it's been taboo and shunned in American society for so long, even still is. A lot of people have this idea it's about wanting to "become" the opposite gender when really it's just making your outsides match what you've been on the inside the whole time. It's hard for people to understand because it's wholly an internal thing that no one else can see or experience.

 

This is very well put.

 

In response to Adam, I just want to add that the first part of your post is a very common and slightly harmful misconception. It is true that some trans-women act feminine, even flamboyantly so, but that's not really any different from any non-trans Average Joe choosing to act the same way. Men acting overly girly don't do so because That's What Transgender People Do™, or even because they (usually) think that's how girls act; it's more likely that's just the way their personality is and that's it.

 

People of all stripes naturally act masculine/feminine/everything in-between. (Which sounds obvious, but you'd be surprised.)

 

"Transgender" just means someone who does not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth - it's not about wanting to be something exotic and different, it's wanting your outer appearance to match your inner one. Or, as Florg put it, it's a general "not being comfortable in your skin" thing. And there are no rules that you are compelled to act out the stereotypes of your gender, no matter what you identify with. 

Edited by Goblinoid, 15 February 2015 - 08:52 AM.

[Josh]

The real question is, why do people care about what other people are caring about? It's funny to watch both sides because they both are trying to make the same statement: You need to accept that this is this way because you offend me if you don't. People get mad because they don't want to see it and people get mad because people are getting mad that they don't want to see it. 

 

The real key is who are the thought police and who can really tell who what to believe

[NapisaurusRex]

I don't really have anything to say except

I've kissed a few gay guys at parties before, and I don't think that's a big deal.

pics or it didn't happen.

[DonValentino]

The real question is, why do people care about what other people are caring about? It's funny to watch both sides because they both are trying to make the same statement: You need to accept that this is this way because you offend me if you don't. People get mad because they don't want to see it and people get mad because people are getting mad that they don't want to see it. 

 

The real key is who are the thought police and who can really tell who what to believe

Well the problem is that one of the groups doesn't have the same legal and civil rights as the other, so it's not such an issue as "I'm mad because they don't want to see it" but more "I'm mad because they won't allow me to be seen"

 

 

I don't really have anything to say except
pics or it didn't happen.

Gotta be there in person to see that shit

[Lucian]

Wait, you made out with guys at parties but are not sexually attracted to men? Wut?

[Grimley]

Wait, you made out with guys at parties but are not sexually attracted to men? Wut?

 

Maybe he was bored?

[Adam]

I feel enlightened.

[Josh]

Well the problem is that one of the groups doesn't have the same legal and civil rights as the other, so it's not such an issue as "I'm mad because they don't want to see it" but more "I'm mad because they won't allow me to be seen"

 

 

Gotta be there in person to see that shit

 

I was more referencing people getting mad at others for having different views, the legal view wasn't really mentioned in the OP. The amount of hatred I receive for simply not liking two men kissing is always incredibly ironic to me. Bullying people for their views is just as destructive both ways.

[Grimley]

I was more referencing people getting mad at others for having different views, the legal view wasn't really mentioned in the OP. The amount of hatred I receive for simply not liking two men kissing is always incredibly ironic to me. Bullying people for their views is just as destructive both ways.

 

I really understand what you're saying, and oppressing another view in the context of "standing for what is right for one" is an element we see day in and day out played out in the media. It's pretty pathetic, eh? (Oh and BTW my statement here is a generalist one...I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here, as these are ALL my buds, but in terms of political viewpoints, I think there's more here who would like to kill me than not in such regard...)

[Chic]

Even before I knew much about sexuality I was always annoyed at how my homophobic family would always yell "EEEEWW" at gay kissing scenes on TV. I never saw a problem with it...I didn't even know homosexuality was real until I actually met a gay person because it was usually brought up through jokes - I just figured that part of the joke was that two people of the same sex together was absurd or something. Sheltering kids from that stuff is messed up.

[LittleBambi]

I think two people kissing (not trying to eat each other, just simple kissing) is cute in public. On TV, I can handle more than a simple kiss and when I like the people, I can find it really hot. Not porn though - I'm a shy baby penguin - but you get the picture XD

I say people because it really doesn't matter to me what gender they are. I'm somewhat of a peculiar girl, I don't really find any 'category' to place myself in as far as sexuality goes. The closest that comes to it is pansexual or panromantic. When I fall in love with someone, I fall, doesn't matter whether they're boy, girl or transgender. I fall for a person's personality. So I'm really openminded when it comes to this topic. I have difficulty understanding other point of views. However, I do respect other opinions. One of my best friends is extremely catholic and is fully against homosexuality. I can't understand why anyone would think it's a 'sin' or disgusting or what not, but I can see where she's coming from. She's been raised like that.  I may not agree, but it's not up to me to convince her otherwise.

 

What I do have a problem with is people that act upon that disgust and hate. And governments that go along with that. I heard that you can get the death penalty in Africa for being of a different sexuality than straight... That's inhuman : s

[NeoVix]

Honestly, I don't like seeing two guys making out. However, I also don't like seeing two girls making out, or a straight couple making out. I don't think this makes me a prude as such, I just don't want to see two people tongueing each other while I am attempting to enjoy my drink. In my local, we once had a couple pretty much dry humping on the pool table in the middle of a crowded bar. Like really..whats the need, go home!

Also I find two guys kissing or whatever in tv shows ridiculously hot

[VaultBoy]

I feel like it is because of the stigma that was attached to such behavior for the longest time in human history. We just aren't used to it.

[Evangelion]

I'm not a big fan of pda in general, I do find it that the community is more open to see girl/girl kiss than boy/boy kiss. Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember reading about the whole Russia gay thing and that Putin or whoever was mostly discriminating against gay men rather than lesbians...