Why woudl you wanna install linux ony our computer? I dun get it.
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Started by MosNanDa, Mar 27 2005 01:18 PM
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MosNanDa
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Posted 27 March 2005 - 01:18 PM
Why woudl you wanna install linux ony our computer? I dun get it.
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redlion
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Posted 27 March 2005 - 01:20 PM
Its an alternative operating system that is much more stable than windows. I would use it myself except I don't want the hassle of reinstalling every program I own.
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MosNanDa
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Posted 27 March 2005 - 01:23 PM
I see...my dad says its a powerful syste although doesnt run all the program you need...
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Hydrogen
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Posted 27 March 2005 - 01:23 PM
moved to linux disbecausesion
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Posted 27 March 2005 - 04:07 PM
Sure it runs everything you need 
well for most people it does...
some special progs only run on windows or mac os :|
but there are also some pretty cool linux only programs
(kcachegrind is a really cool profile analyzer... )
well for most people it does...some special progs only run on windows or mac os :|
but there are also some pretty cool linux only programs
(kcachegrind is a really cool profile analyzer...
)
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Posted 27 March 2005 - 05:23 PM
Running windows programs in linux is evil and it gives application makers no reason to port their stuff to linux so it should not be used if not absolutely nescessarry :|
why winamp or quickti'me? there are alternatives to that :|
why winamp or quickti'me? there are alternatives to that :|
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Posted 14 April 2005 - 11:45 AM
hey read this and then judge for urself:
Reasons to Choose or Not Choose Linux
Here are several reasons for running Linux. The more of these that are true of you, the likelier you are to be happy in running Linux:
You want a stable and reliable computing platform.
No other popular operating system is more stable and reliable than Linux. If you're tired of crashes and hangs and the lost ti'me and data they entail, you're a candidate for Linux.
You want a high performance computing platform.
Linux can coax blazingly fast performance out of hardware below the mini'mum required to load and run other popular operating systems. And, with ample memory and a fast CPU, Linux goes toe-to-toe with anything Microsoft or other vendors offer. If speed is your thing, Linux is your hot rod.
You need a low-cost or free operating system.
If you're someone on a budget, such as a student, or if you need to set up many systems, the low cost of Linux will let you reserve your hard-earned capital for hardware or other resources. Linux is the best operating system value on the planet.
You're a heavy network or Internet user.
If you use networks, especially the Internet, Linux's advanced support for TCP/IP may light up your life. Linux makes it easy to construct firewalls that protect your system against hackers or routers that let several computers share a single network connection.
You want to learn Unix or TCP/IP networking.
The best way - perhaps the only way - to learn more about Unix or TCP/IP networking (or computers generally) is through hands-on experience. Whether you're interested in such experience owing to personal curiosity or career ambition (system administrators are often handsomely paid), Linux affords you the opportunity to gain such experience at low cost, without leaving the comfort of your home.
You seek an alternative to Microsoft's vision of computing's future.
If you're tired of marching to the relentless drumbeat of the Redmond juggernaut, Linux offers a viable way to cut the umbilical cord and set about creating a new computing destiny for yourself and others.
You want to enjoy enhanced peer esteem.
If you're a technical worker, such as a programmer or engineer, you may acquire enhanced status among your peers by being an early adopter of Linux. (Of course, in many peer groups, it's already too late to become an early adopter of Linux; but at least you won't become a late adopter). You can even obtain decals and bumper stickers to advertise your good taste in operating systems (see the Linux Mall at http://www.all-linux.com/index.html).
You want to have fun.
Hopefully, you've discovered that one of the best reasons for doing anything is that it's fun. Many Linux users report that they've never had so much fun with a computer. There's no better reason for running Linux than that.
To be both blunt and honest, some folks shouldn't run Linux. If one or more of the following are true of you, you should run Linux only if you have a good friend who's knowledgeable about Linux, available by phone at odd hours, and works cheap:
You're scared of computers.
If you're scared of computers, you should spend more ti'me working with Microsoft Windows 95 or Windows 98 before venturing into the Linux world. Linux may indeed be right for you, but it's not right just yet.
You don't like to learn.
Setting up and running Linux will require you to learn new concepts and skills. None of these are especially difficult, but if you don't like to learn, setting up and running Linux will stress you out. Instead, you should stick with the familiar.
You're married to certain Windows applications.
You can run some Windows applications under Linux's WINE emulation (over 100 applications at the ti'me of writing, Microsoft's Minesweeper and FreeCell among them). However, this isn't true of every Windows application. Before putting your toe in the Linux whaters, you should obtain up-to-date information on the status of WINE emulation of your favorite Windows applications (see http://www.winehq.com/).
Rather than convert your desktop system to run Linux, you may prefer to install Linux on a second system or convert your existing Windows system into a dual-boot system that can run Windows or Linux. That way, you have your choice of running your favorite Windows applications or Linux.
Reasons to Choose or Not Choose Linux
Here are several reasons for running Linux. The more of these that are true of you, the likelier you are to be happy in running Linux:
You want a stable and reliable computing platform.
No other popular operating system is more stable and reliable than Linux. If you're tired of crashes and hangs and the lost ti'me and data they entail, you're a candidate for Linux.
You want a high performance computing platform.
Linux can coax blazingly fast performance out of hardware below the mini'mum required to load and run other popular operating systems. And, with ample memory and a fast CPU, Linux goes toe-to-toe with anything Microsoft or other vendors offer. If speed is your thing, Linux is your hot rod.
You need a low-cost or free operating system.
If you're someone on a budget, such as a student, or if you need to set up many systems, the low cost of Linux will let you reserve your hard-earned capital for hardware or other resources. Linux is the best operating system value on the planet.
You're a heavy network or Internet user.
If you use networks, especially the Internet, Linux's advanced support for TCP/IP may light up your life. Linux makes it easy to construct firewalls that protect your system against hackers or routers that let several computers share a single network connection.
You want to learn Unix or TCP/IP networking.
The best way - perhaps the only way - to learn more about Unix or TCP/IP networking (or computers generally) is through hands-on experience. Whether you're interested in such experience owing to personal curiosity or career ambition (system administrators are often handsomely paid), Linux affords you the opportunity to gain such experience at low cost, without leaving the comfort of your home.
You seek an alternative to Microsoft's vision of computing's future.
If you're tired of marching to the relentless drumbeat of the Redmond juggernaut, Linux offers a viable way to cut the umbilical cord and set about creating a new computing destiny for yourself and others.
You want to enjoy enhanced peer esteem.
If you're a technical worker, such as a programmer or engineer, you may acquire enhanced status among your peers by being an early adopter of Linux. (Of course, in many peer groups, it's already too late to become an early adopter of Linux; but at least you won't become a late adopter). You can even obtain decals and bumper stickers to advertise your good taste in operating systems (see the Linux Mall at http://www.all-linux.com/index.html).
You want to have fun.
Hopefully, you've discovered that one of the best reasons for doing anything is that it's fun. Many Linux users report that they've never had so much fun with a computer. There's no better reason for running Linux than that.
To be both blunt and honest, some folks shouldn't run Linux. If one or more of the following are true of you, you should run Linux only if you have a good friend who's knowledgeable about Linux, available by phone at odd hours, and works cheap:
You're scared of computers.
If you're scared of computers, you should spend more ti'me working with Microsoft Windows 95 or Windows 98 before venturing into the Linux world. Linux may indeed be right for you, but it's not right just yet.
You don't like to learn.
Setting up and running Linux will require you to learn new concepts and skills. None of these are especially difficult, but if you don't like to learn, setting up and running Linux will stress you out. Instead, you should stick with the familiar.
You're married to certain Windows applications.
You can run some Windows applications under Linux's WINE emulation (over 100 applications at the ti'me of writing, Microsoft's Minesweeper and FreeCell among them). However, this isn't true of every Windows application. Before putting your toe in the Linux whaters, you should obtain up-to-date information on the status of WINE emulation of your favorite Windows applications (see http://www.winehq.com/).
Rather than convert your desktop system to run Linux, you may prefer to install Linux on a second system or convert your existing Windows system into a dual-boot system that can run Windows or Linux. That way, you have your choice of running your favorite Windows applications or Linux.
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Posted 14 April 2005 - 02:57 PM
To be honest danupsher that post looks like something I would have read 3 years ago
it pretty much ignores why people tend to have a computer - if you ask 90% of all computer users they really don't care about what OS they are using (they will know that they use windows - but if the machine had some bundled with "Fuzzy Wombat OS" they wouldn't care)
they just want to surf the net, send e-mails, play the latest games out, download some MP3 and load them onto their player
what they don't want is to have to know what the socket layer is, edit a config file, know what's under the bonnet etc....
if you're wanting to run a web-server then linux is the way to go, if you're running a games machine it's not (yeah I know there are a few game exceptions, but not enough yet)
what GNU/Linux really needs to do is go after the business market - if every worker is using it they will feel more comfortable using it at home too
Linux is still not truly plug and play (altho some builds are getting pretty close)
I still only recommend people load Linux up as a toy, something to play with - if they like it maybe use it as a pri'mary OS, I've never been able to make it my pri'mary OS, I have too many apps that just don't run on linux.
it pretty much ignores why people tend to have a computer - if you ask 90% of all computer users they really don't care about what OS they are using (they will know that they use windows - but if the machine had some bundled with "Fuzzy Wombat OS" they wouldn't care)
they just want to surf the net, send e-mails, play the latest games out, download some MP3 and load them onto their player
what they don't want is to have to know what the socket layer is, edit a config file, know what's under the bonnet etc....
if you're wanting to run a web-server then linux is the way to go, if you're running a games machine it's not (yeah I know there are a few game exceptions, but not enough yet)
what GNU/Linux really needs to do is go after the business market - if every worker is using it they will feel more comfortable using it at home too
Linux is still not truly plug and play (altho some builds are getting pretty close)
I still only recommend people load Linux up as a toy, something to play with - if they like it maybe use it as a pri'mary OS, I've never been able to make it my pri'mary OS, I have too many apps that just don't run on linux.
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Mumei
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Posted 15 April 2005 - 01:11 PM
Sorry if this sounds a bit like a flame, it's not ment to be I'm just trying to show a different perspective on it.
you totally missing the point of my post
I was not talking about it's technical abilities in certain areas - in a fair fight I know that linux would win a lot of the rounds, I actually use Linux almost every day and know more about what you're talking about than you give me credit for
I was talking more about the world of computing outside closed disbecausesion groups.
it's abilites to run some windows programs, is pointless to a becausetomer, unless they know that they can run everything they may want, then they will not switch, because anyone that writes a *nix version will usually release an NT version too (whereas the opposite in not true)
I love the way that you say
and I said " I've never been able to make it my pri'mary OS"
it was not because of any technical li'mitations, it was because I still need to run programs in NT that don't work under any distro of linux, with emulators etc... but as a second OS it's great.
All I was saying was that I hear the rosey glow of people being smug about how good linux is (and I've heard it for years - I even say it for certain things), it's getting better all the ti'me, and it's got a lot more comercial uptake and support. but it's not yet got true replacement abilities.
you totally missing the point of my post
I was not talking about it's technical abilities in certain areas - in a fair fight I know that linux would win a lot of the rounds, I actually use Linux almost every day and know more about what you're talking about than you give me credit for
I was talking more about the world of computing outside closed disbecausesion groups.
You are totally wrong about this, the biggest demographic that linux needs to gain is probably china and india comercial at the moment, these are the areas where computer usage is rising at the greatest rate and will conintue to do so for a long ti'me.And the majority of these people are obese and ignorant Americans, so what? Because they're ignorant, it won't matter?
it's abilites to run some windows programs, is pointless to a becausetomer, unless they know that they can run everything they may want, then they will not switch, because anyone that writes a *nix version will usually release an NT version too (whereas the opposite in not true)
again, this is not true, the reason they only include drivers for NT (and Mac) is cost - that's why you need to care about every computer user (including your fat americans) until there's a distro that can cater for the stupidity of these people it will never get enough of a market share to force companies to include device drivers with their hardwareMicrosoft's monopoly have given companies no other option but to only include a driver for their (Windows) OS
I love the way that you say
I've seen spyware, keyloggers and trojan horses written for and designed to run under linux - these will be more common as more people use it, that's just a fact of lifenot get a single trace of spyware
and I said " I've never been able to make it my pri'mary OS"
it was not because of any technical li'mitations, it was because I still need to run programs in NT that don't work under any distro of linux, with emulators etc... but as a second OS it's great.
All I was saying was that I hear the rosey glow of people being smug about how good linux is (and I've heard it for years - I even say it for certain things), it's getting better all the ti'me, and it's got a lot more comercial uptake and support. but it's not yet got true replacement abilities.
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Posted 15 April 2005 - 02:07 PM
Ok I don't want to go into detail here there's a lot of bs STM wrote there...
I mean I could find counterarguments for everything he said and he even said some stuff that was totally off the orginal topic but what hit me the most was this one...
... care to explain? For startes linux was actually created by linus torvalds to get a free unix running on i386 systems (yes the first linux versions were not portable) so linux *is* a unix derivate o.o"
Then *why* should a unix system (a comemrcial one or freebsd or whatever) be better for a webserver?
Let's see there are lots of *fast* webserver for linux (I don't mean apache I mean the really fast one... I forgot the name :| the one that superseeded khttpd :|) so speed can't be the option (those webservers also scale unproblemtically over lots of cpus
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Then security... linux got a very good right management it happens very rarely that anything goes wrong here... good file system rights, good process rights, again nothing wrong here
so what exactly is wrong with linux as a webserver? O.O!
I mean I could find counterarguments for everything he said and he even said some stuff that was totally off the orginal topic but what hit me the most was this one...
[code]if you're wanting to run a web-server then linux is the way to goNo, Unix is better.
... care to explain? For startes linux was actually created by linus torvalds to get a free unix running on i386 systems (yes the first linux versions were not portable) so linux *is* a unix derivate o.o"
Then *why* should a unix system (a comemrcial one or freebsd or whatever) be better for a webserver?
Let's see there are lots of *fast* webserver for linux (I don't mean apache I mean the really fast one... I forgot the name :| the one that superseeded khttpd :|) so speed can't be the option (those webservers also scale unproblemtically over lots of cpus
)Then security... linux got a very good right management it happens very rarely that anything goes wrong here... good file system rights, good process rights, again nothing wrong here
so what exactly is wrong with linux as a webserver? O.O!
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