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[Sida]

This is something i thought about on a car journey once.

Take this colour for example. What colour is it? It's red.
But why do you call it red? It's because since you were born, you've been taught that whenever you see that colour, you call it red. But who's to say you're seeing the same colour as me?

This colour is blue. Like before, you've been taught to call this blue.
But who's to say we don't see the colours the other way round? We wouldn't know, as we'd name them exactly the same because that's what we learnt since we were young.

That could be one of the reasons why people have different favourite colours...right? One man's favourite colour might be red, and someone else's might be blue. But for all we know, they could infact like the exact same colour.


I have to admit, i did a few weeks later come up with something that would deem this theory invalid, but i'll leave that for you to think about

[dolphinbomb]

Taking it out of the colors context...

Watch a group of people sometime.. Think about what they look like to you... now, take the role of one of those said people. Do they even notice you? What would you look like to them?
What kind of impression do YOU leave on them?

I often think about what others think of me and see of me. I often put myself into the shoes of others, usually just to kill boredom. I imagine what they're life is like, how they're feeling, and what they're seeing right at the moment.


I know it's odd, but it's really interesting to do sometimes..

[Sean]

I've thought about it, but then lost interest.

[Amagius]

I've had the exact same thought, but based on philosophical standards, I have no reason to push further into the subject:

1.) There is no way to prove it true or not.
2.) Even if it was proven to be true, it would not effect life in anyway. If their isn't anything lost in translation in the state we are already at, there is no point to tear down the invisible wall because we could view it like they could.

[Mumei]

I am not sure i quite understand what you're talking about

we all experiance light waves hitting the back of our eyes in the same way - the same chemicals chemicals are produced, creating the same electrical impulses into the brain - from there it is a learned response to call it red or rouge, or akai etc...

we are all prisoners of the ability to communicate our ideas (be that to ourselves, or to others) - if you cannot dream of an idea happening, you cannot make it happen.

[Sida]

we all experiance light waves hitting the back of our eyes in the same way - the same chemicals chemicals are produced, creating the same electrical impulses into the brain - from there it is a learned response to call it red or rouge, or akai etc...

But still, there's no way, that i know of, to prove that the light > electrical impulse conversion is the same. The chemicals created are the same, and the transfer of signals may be the same between everyone, but there's still no fixed way to prove that the end result is the same, unless our minds were to be transfered into another body, allowing us to personally see the world through another's eyes and prove it's the same.

Edited by SidaZoid, 01 August 2006 - 10:56 AM.

[Justin]

I've thought about this as well. But how about bright colors? They blind us and hurt our eyes >_>

[Ilya]

When you were born they dont teach you to see red, they teach you that that color is called red..

[Sida]

When you were born they dont teach you to see red, they teach you that that color is called red..

That's exactly my point? They tought me and you that it's the colour Red...but we don't know we're seeing the same colour.

I've thought about this as well. But how about bright colors? They blind us and hurt our eyes >_>

I like your way of thinking. See the part in the post saying i found a flaw? That's the exact thing i thought of

[sonic]

If you look at a red piece of paper, everyone in the world who is not colorblind will see red. We all experience the same effects of the light ray spectrum.

[Sida]

If you look at a red piece of paper, everyone in the world who is not colorblind will see red. We all experience the same effects of the light ray spectrum.

Do you know that? Do you know that your eyes convert light to electrical impulses in the exact same way as someone elses? And that every step of the process is the same? We assume, not know.

[Zeeky]

Me and my brother always have conversations about this when we are bored. It is really weird to think about things like that, like if my yellow was your green or something like that. I know it isn't so, scientists have proved that, but it is just a strange concept to think about.

[Sida]

Yeah, i mean obviously the chances are EXTREAMLY low, actually lower then that...but just the idea that there's always the possibility...

[sonic]

Listen. "color" is not realtive to the seer. "color" is used as a scientific tool. Think of how we measure the distance of far away objects in our universe. We use whats called the redshifted spectra. The closer the color of the light is to the red side of the spectrum, the farther away it is.

Now I understand how someone who does not know much about particle physics and the laws the govern light could be confused and have the same logical thinking of you. No biggie. Go pick up a book, possibly QED(QuantamElectroDynamics) by Richard Feynman(spelling?) and read it. Or do something you should never do and just take my work for it. Or ask cassila, or even cataliste. They both along with me are quite knowledgable on the subject. Well cassila pwns us....you get the point....

[Tim]

I can't come up with a scientific explanation to why I don't think it's true, but here's a way that you could look at it that I think would make you think we all see the same.

Signatures. If we all saw something different, then some of the signatures we see would look bizarre to some people and great to others. We don't have people going "OMG WHY DID U MIX THAT WIT THAT!!1!!" all the time (well, sometimes we do. ), and others saying how great it looks. That's because we all see the same thing, with the same colors.

Makes sense to me.

Also, noone thinks that Darkness is a very bright skin, do they?

Edited by Tim, 01 August 2006 - 11:39 AM.

[Ives]

Color isn't much of a scientific tool, seeing as it depends from person to person as to what color is what. But certain scientists say that basically applies to science: Just modeling the world according to an opinion.

[Random]

I have thought about that before, I think its possible, but there would have to be some guidline so people know how to match things

I heard that everyone hears your voice at a different pitch also.

[sonic]

Color isn't much of a scientific tool, seeing as it depends from person to person as to what color is what. But certain scientists say that basically applies to science: Just modeling the world according to an opinion.

Lol
http://www.astro.vir...ry/redshift.htm
Owned....

[Hawk]

Lol
http://www.astro.vir...ry/redshift.htm
Owned....

How is color a tool?

"Can you hand me that color for a second?" o.o

[sonic]

How is color a tool?

"Can you hand me that color for a second?" o.o

I will say it again

Now I understand how someone who does not know much about particle physics and the laws the govern light could be confused and have the same logical thinking of you.

[Ives]

I'm not saying it isn't a tool, Sonic. I'm saying it is a tool under certain conditions. (:

[Hawk]

I'm not saying it isn't a tool, Sonic. I'm saying it is a tool under certain conditions. (:

And I just felt like being a smartass . So Sonic, you convinced people to agree with you who already agreed with you. Dang that was a wordy sentance.

[sonic]

I'm not saying it isn't a tool, Sonic. I'm saying it is a tool under certain conditions. (:

Ah. That makes sense.

Al I am trying to point out is that color is NOT relitive. There are scientifially set peramatures.

[Hydrogen]

What you guys are arguing about is something called qualia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia

[ink]

The only problem is when things are near the same. Like yellow, purple, red, and brown, look almost exactly the same to my father. They appear the same as gray also. In his vision they are pronounced as gray, since that is originally what he identified them by. Sometimes I have to help him at traffic lights.

Indifference usually is due to eye damage though. Yet this is a very cool theory.