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[dolphinbomb]

But oral is just stimulation, not penetration.

Michigan law says otherwise

I've been told I'm fairly talented. "too good at that for your own good" if I remember correctly. I wondered how it could work against me and he was like "... okay, it couldn't. just... yes."

Okay that was too far. Someone should delete this post.

We've had worse posted on the board. Don't worry about it

[jillian]

Michigani's don't know up from down, everyone knows that. What's that definition from, a rape law or somefin? I think that's cool. Any sort of contact with sexual organs should be considered with rape or molestation cases, but I still don't think it's intercourse, really. Only one party is working for the pleasure of another person, you know what I mean?

Haha, manjuice. Dross. But yeah, I have a lot of hilariously awkward situations from college (all with the same guy, I'm not that slutty! ). He openly admits to having a talent for saying the most awkward possible thing in many situations.

Advice for girls that I have learned over the last few weeks: HJs can chafe it. I SERIOUSLY didn't know that and though I haven't given one in a few years I never will again. I'd feel so bad.

[dolphinbomb]

Michigani's don't know up from down, everyone knows that. What's that definition from, a rape law or somefin? I think that's cool. Any sort of contact with sexual organs should be considered with rape or molestation cases, but I still don't think it's intercourse, really.

Yeah, it's part of the definition for Criminal Sexual Conduct. According to it, oral sex=penetration, and is the difference between a 1st degree and a 3rd degree offense.
(Woo, figures this is the only kind of crap I remember from a sociology class last year)

[Alicia]

First off, that had nothing to do with a loophole.

And secondly, I've never orgasmed, sweetie. And it's so much harder for women to orgasm, I don't think it's quite fair to say that having an orgasm or vice versa is a definition for virginity - virginity would almost invariably end for both with a guy, by your definition. Also, orgasms happen randomly. Most if not all of the guys I know could then say they lost their virginity to Pamela Anderson, or while dancing at prom when unexpected things pop up.

Sorry if this is too descriptive but I feel that that's a pretty inane definition of virginity.

I figure it's different for anyone, you know, but any kind of anal or vaginal penetration is basically definite. But oral is just stimulation, not penetration. I've given and received that but I think it's a really simple and sometimes emotionless act which doesn't tend to involve both individuals physically or emotionally enough to count as intercourse.

peace out

Well, to me being a virgin is subjective. It means a different thing to everyone, and to me it's not a big deal either way.

It's not really not harder for most women to orgasm, it's just that most don't know how. Orgasms do not happen randomly, they can be "built up" to. Also, getting a hardon(which is what I assume you were referring to with the whole "while dancing at prom when unexpected things pop up" is not an orgasm. It's called being horny.

And he didn't say making yourself orgasm, he said having someone else make you orgasm. Big difference. And oral sex is just as much of a emotional/physical thing as intercourse.

[Frizzle]

You forget to mention in most cases. Sometimes a blowjob or a handjob isn't as emotional as sex, sometimes it's more emotional then sex as a blowjob usually means she drunk enough to fancy you, not just to fuck you.

[jillian]

Check my revised post, I made my wording clearer.

Yes, a female orgasm is more complicated, and there's far more to it and that's why it is harder to find out how to do - making it harder than a guy. It's general consensus that it may take up to hours to tease a girl into orgasming, whereas with guys the trick is to work to keep them from orgasming if you're doing it right. Don't tell me it's not hard for a chick to orgasm when I got my boyfriend the first time with no experience and in two years, he, who had had sex and multiple partners before me, couldn't get it. And he definitely tried. He was more frustrated than me.

It's not necessary to patronize me... I know a little something about sex, and I definitely know what a hard-on is. One of my guy friends had to take a break in prom because he blew it on the dance floor. It happens when you're stimulated for so long so hard. Do you count dry-humping and grinding as sex?

And yeah, orgasms can be built up to randomly then, like when a chick rides a horse or something.

Oh, and finally, precisely, Frizz. Sadly enough, head is kind of a cheap and easy way to say you like someone but you're not ready. That's how I use it at least. It's generally considered a good exchange. And you honestly think that a blowjob is as physically encompassing for two individuals? When you have sex you should both be working and playing and pleasing one another mutually, and a blowjob is just a favor from one person to another. Only one person gets physical stimulation, though I will agree that it can be just as emotionally encompassing in different situations. That doesn't make it intercourse; a kiss or a glance can be emotionally compassing.

edited again, added that last paragraph, sorry, I can never get my thoughts out in one post

[Frizzle]

ROFL, what the fuck? He blew his load during a dance? What a hobbit, it's obvious he has no sexual experience whatso ever.

Haha, how embarassing.

Anyways, on the subject of orgasms, I'm telling you it's state of mind, if you want to orgasm a women can easily do it (obviously some physical and emotionally difficulities meaning some women will never feel like a real women), but it's all about mind mover matter.

If a women is anxious, worried or a little scared, it's unlikely she will feel comfertable, her body will not be relaxed and it will be hard for her to feel sensual, which makes the juices flow. If you get them right, a bit of tounge action, some finger fun, or maybe just a huge cock will usually get 90% of women cumming before touching them.

That's because she wants it and the opposite effects works too. I mean, if I don't want to blow my load in an hour or so, usually thinking of nothing keeps me going, sure I'm not as involved within the sexual contact with my partner, but it keeps me going. Also, thinking of disgusting things like Old women, ugly partners etc can make you feel very small if you get my saying.

Learn by the ear, then up the rear is what I say.


edit: Hmm, you're going into a much deeper level. Let me explain what I meant to you, I probably worded it wrong. Say I wanted to have sex with someone as a fling (gasp, I know that's unheard of to you haha) you'd just do it, it wouldn't a big deal because you both want sex, it's nothing to think about really, because I'm usually smart enough to choose a mature enough partner to realise, it's just sex.

A blowjob on the other hand is something a girl usually hates to do, so if she does it for you, she must be doing it for a reason, she's getting no pleasure from it, and because of this it usually means shes likes you a little bit more then if she just wanted to fuck.

Edited by Frizzle, 21 November 2006 - 03:05 PM.

[jillian]

Frizz... have I told you lately that I love you? Haha.

Yeah, it was probably the funniest thing ever. I was at the dance but no one told me about it until later.

And yes, emotions have so friggin much to do with it. (I hate being a woman sometimes.) Ron always worked to make me comfortable and confident, and of course I wanted it (but one also must remember not to strain for it, that can work against you too if you're too expectant and anxious for it to come!) but I don't know! It just didn't work out.

*giggle* A big cack, eh? Maybe later on, but it seems like it wouldn't be optimal for a first time! It just seems painful.

Randomly, the most fun is when you know someone so much that you know exactly when to hold off and the thing you can do to send them over no matter where there are. Teasing is my favorite thing ever. Oh, and the best feeling ever is when you do something just right and you can feel their body shake under you. I love it.

EDIT: Oh, I just skimmed that, I didn't it at all, sorry. See, I don't mind giving head one bit, in fact, I really like it. I feel like a guy can get a hand job any time and HE's probably better at it than me, but head's something I can actually do and do right. I don't see why it's such a big deal.

And yeah... sadly enough I feel like once I do have sex I'll be a lot more laid-back about everything concerning it, and probably have my share of one-night stands as people tend to in my college (my boy here, actually, has had sex on the elevator and then in his room with two different girls on the same night. Me and a few other guys were just sitting on the bed kinda staring in awe for a while until I was like "wait, on this bed?" "oh, yeah." "did you wash the sheets?" "uh..." and I jumped up and sat on his desk). It's just that I feel that losing your virginity is a big deal, and I'm making an even bigger deal out of it by letting the fact that I didn't give it to Ronnie spoil my fun. So I'm just kinda caught by myself in celibacy. At least. Vaginal celibacy.

[dolphinbomb]

Heh. I like how this has turned from Urban proclaiming his homosexuality to Lee and Jillian discussing sexual functions/experience.

[Alicia]

Check my revised post, I made my wording clearer.

Yes, a female orgasm is more complicated, and there's far more to it and that's why it is harder to find out how to do - making it harder than a guy. It's general consensus that it may take up to hours to tease a girl into orgasming, whereas with guys the trick is to work to keep them from orgasming if you're doing it right. Don't tell me it's not hard for a chick to orgasm when I got my boyfriend the first time with no experience and in two years, he, who had had sex and multiple partners before me, couldn't get it. And he definitely tried. He was more frustrated than me.

It's not necessary to patronize me... I know a little something about sex, and I definitely know what a hard-on is. One of my guy friends had to take a break in prom because he blew it on the dance floor. It happens when you're stimulated for so long so hard. Do you count dry-humping and grinding as sex?

And yeah, orgasms can be built up to randomly then, like when a chick rides a horse or something.

Oh, and finally, precisely, Frizz. Sadly enough, head is kind of a cheap and easy way to say you like someone but you're not ready. That's how I use it at least. It's generally considered a good exchange. And you honestly think that a blowjob is as physically encompassing for two individuals? When you have sex you should both be working and playing and pleasing one another mutually, and a blowjob is just a favor from one person to another. Only one person gets physical stimulation, though I will agree that it can be just as emotionally encompassing in different situations. That doesn't make it intercourse; a kiss or a glance can be emotionally compassing.

edited again, added that last paragraph, sorry, I can never get my thoughts out in one post

Well...if you enjoy pleasing someone, a blowjob would be mutual. Sex isn't about hogging everything to yourself, but I don't think it should be all giving. And I *personally* don't find that an orgasm takes hours to build up to. But everyone's different, so there's no right or wrong answer to that.

And I'm sorry, didn't mean to sound like I was patronizing. I guess I just have different expierences, and view things from a different perspective.

[Frizzle]

Aren't you like 12?

[jillian]

A 12-year-old is patronizing me? Grand. Grand.

And... sigh. I meant that it is generally known that it can take that long for a woman to achieve orgasm. This isn't something I really expected an argument about, it's a given fact that it's more difficult for females to achieve orgasm! There are studies about why it's so much more difficult for women to achieve orgasm and such.

[cara]

Shes 16.

Jillian, sadly you took it the wrong way. She meant to apologize and admit you were right. Not argue. She told me that via msn.

"And I'm sorry, didn't mean to sound like I was patronizing."

So yeah. She's not on, so I thought Id post that for her .. o-o
And dont start arguing with me. Im just saying shes 16 and meant to apologize .. -coughs and walks away-

[nox]

it's a lot easier for a guy to orgasm because the women's muscles will be constantly flexing on his penis assuming there is a steady rhythm. it's a tad different for girls since sometimes more is required than the common in and out. it takes more for a girl to reach a orgasm, that special spot needs to be found, where in a guy there is 4-8 inches of that "special spot " (4 in frizzle's case)

with the comparison between hand/oral; those can be for someone that you may just have a litttle thing for, maybe not even dating..but for me i think sex is for a partner, ESPECIALLY for a first time. k

[Frizzle]

4" beats your 3"

mwahaha macho men we are! now lets flex some muscles.

[pyke]

4" beats your 3"

mwahaha macho men we are! now lets flex some muscles.

A cunning rebuttal by an equally cunning linguist

This topic has taken a most interesting turn I must say . Don't get to graphic now kiddies...

[jillian]

Haha, it is very interesting, isn't it! *schnoogles Pyke*

I was making a joke about the twelve-year-old-nocity, don't get all worked up, darling.

Nox, that's only one type of a bunch of different ways women can orgasm, don't forget that that's part of the complexity. Some women can't even have a g-spot orgasm, or the clit is too sensitive to be directly or even indirectly stimulated [did you know that there's an area a few inches below the bellybutton, under the abdomen, where some women's clits can be stimulated through basically a tummy rub (since they extend upwards from the vulva into the adbomen)? I didn't know this until a few weeks ago, it's nuts] Some women can orgasm easily through straight intercourse, and for others it's totally impossible that way.

It's so frustrating.

[Justin]

My virgin eyes

[Alicia]

Shes 16.

Jillian, sadly you took it the wrong way. She meant to apologize and admit you were right. Not argue. She told me that via msn.

"And I'm sorry, didn't mean to sound like I was patronizing."

So yeah. She's not on, so I thought Id post that for her .. o-o
And dont start arguing with me. Im just saying shes 16 and meant to apologize .. -coughs and walks away-

Cara, I'm only 15. -clears up confusion- And it was an apology. Didn't mean to argue, just saying what I thought.

[nox]

Nox, that's only one type of a bunch of different ways women can orgasm, don't forget that that's part of the complexity. Some women can't even have a g-spot orgasm, or the clit is too sensitive to be directly or even indirectly stimulated [did you know that there's an area a few inches below the bellybutton, under the abdomen, where some women's clits can be stimulated through basically a tummy rub (since they extend upwards from the vulva into the adbomen)? I didn't know this until a few weeks ago, it's nuts] Some women can orgasm easily through straight intercourse, and for others it's totally impossible that way.

wow! didnt know that..and you guys think you have it bad, that makes it interesting . reminds me of a time one kid years ago was acting really weird at the beach, and he just sticks his finger into my bellybutton starts swirling his finger around, telling me "how to hit the g-spot" LOL

and yea i know that that's only one of the ways for a woman to achieve an orgasm, just was trying to compare how different in difficulty the two are (kinda sounds like a video game, ). i would never want a girl to fake an orgasm with me, cause then of course you start thinking ur doing it correctly when in fact she's bsing the whole thing

[Tetiel]

Haha, it is very interesting, isn't it! *schnoogles Pyke*

I was making a joke about the twelve-year-old-nocity, don't get all worked up, darling.

Nox, that's only one type of a bunch of different ways women can orgasm, don't forget that that's part of the complexity. Some women can't even have a g-spot orgasm, or the clit is too sensitive to be directly or even indirectly stimulated [did you know that there's an area a few inches below the bellybutton, under the abdomen, where some women's clits can be stimulated through basically a tummy rub (since they extend upwards from the vulva into the adbomen)? I didn't know this until a few weeks ago, it's nuts] Some women can orgasm easily through straight intercourse, and for others it's totally impossible that way.

It's so frustrating.

tsk, I do feel sorry for those women, I really do. *shrugs* some can never have one no matter what they do. And for a lot of women stimulation leading to nothing is really the only satisfaction they can get which is why guys shouldn't get their hopes up too much for "pleasing their woman" But by the way, Jillian... trust me, you won't feel like having any one night stands for a little while after that's broken. Nononono...

[Christopher Robin]

So you're ok for a mouth party around mine about 8sish?

I'm coming.

[pyke]

I'm coming.

Am I just twisted or was that a play on words?

[juju]

Am I just twisted or was that a play on words?

Both.
-lick-
xD

[dolphinbomb]

Am I just twisted or was that a play on words?

I thought the same thing

Guess I should put in some input.

While it's been mentioned that some girls are very insensitive. and can't seem to orgasm period, there are others who are FAR too sensitive, and any stimulation is "too much," to the point where it can actually hurt.

My ex-girlfriend was this way. She could NOT take clitoral stimulation whatsoever.. but it got very frustrating because she had little to no reaction to vaginal/g-spot stimulation.

Tet speaks the truth in saying that guys shouldn't get their hopes up, but it gets very frustrating not be able to "please their woman," so to speak; I know I was

All girls are different. What works on one girl might do absolutely nothing to the next.